Urkal vs Harris on Eurosport

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 25 May 2004, 17:48

Holdsworths card is way off I think. Harris is landing by far the harder shots. Urkals slapping a lot as well. I think Harris is in control of the fight and hasn't looked that troubled.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 25 May 2004, 17:49

bennie wrote:Holdsworth's watching a different fight.

Dont forget my german trader scored it 118-111 to ukal or something like that. both of them must be urkal fans

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 25 May 2004, 17:50

Without knowing his excact score the danish commentator has Urkal up by 4-5 points so far

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 25 May 2004, 17:51

Steve missed the low blow that cost Harris a point even when they showed it in slow motion.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 25 May 2004, 17:52

I don't for the life of me understand some of those scorecards. Urkal wants it bad but he's took some bombs and missed a lot in his combos.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 25 May 2004, 18:06

Urkal by seven points!!

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 25 May 2004, 18:06

Danish commentator had Urkal winning by 2 points.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 25 May 2004, 18:07

7 points by Holdsworths card. I don't believe he was watching the fight though. A good example of it I thought was the 11th which I thought was clearly Harris's round. Holdsworth just said "Yeah, I think Ill give that to Urkal".

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 25 May 2004, 18:09

Holdsworth also had Casamayor beating Corrales by an absolute landslide which was silly I thought.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 25 May 2004, 18:10

He then said it was a draw, despite the fact the MC had announced a split decision to start with. Bad night for Steve Holdsworth.
But, as the Americans say, you gotta love him.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 25 May 2004, 18:13

It isnt called Eurosport for nothing, got to side with the Euro fighters

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 25 May 2004, 18:33

bennie wrote:Harris got badly stabbed outside his Brooklyn gym in New York in 2000, which nearly ended his career.

Warren might have put Hatton in with Harris the day after that.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 25 May 2004, 18:35

I agree with you guys, after round 3 I had Harris 4 points up! Holdsworth was giving everything to Urkal, any time there was an exchange he would credit Urkal. Very strange.

Anyone think Urkal looks a little bit like Martin Keown from certain angles?

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 25 May 2004, 18:38

Hatton will never fight Harris, absolutely no chance. I think Harris would have a great chance of blowing Ricky out. I don't think Ricky could take some of those big right hands right down the pipe.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 25 May 2004, 18:41

i thought urkal won it by 2 but it was a very close fight i wouldn't argue with other interpretations cos it was so very close

but 7 pts i would bloody argue with.

as for hatton-harris bring him on he looks a decent counter puncher but he got more ragged as it went on and he didn't like a hot tempo when urkal was stepping it up.

bring him over hatton can take him he'll just outwork him.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 25 May 2004, 18:54

Harris looked very dangerous the first 5 rounds. He looked less after that but still pretty dangerous. Hattons gone I think if he gets hit with one of those bombs. Also remember Rickys less mobile than Urkal and a lot shorter than Harris. Ricky would have a nightmare with his jab and big right hand.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 May 2004, 18:58

Urkal by 4, clear win although I do think Steve of a bit out especially in the begining. Clearly wasn't a good night. I was stunned when Steve said he didn't like Mayweather as a boxer I thought "Steve, don't you know what an exceptional fighter looks like".

Cotto beats Mayweather 8 days a week, I'm not so sure of that one.

Steve if you are reading, please do not use the boxrec rankings again (no disrespect) but come on Floyd Mayweather at 1, Hatton at 2.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 25 May 2004, 19:03

This is the best I could find but I'm sure when Urkal pulls some of those faces like he did more often against Magee there was more than a faint resembalance to the ugliest football player that the scum ever turned out....

Martin Keown

Oktay Urkal

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 25 May 2004, 19:07

Thats uncanny.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 25 May 2004, 20:20

I thought Urkal won but not by as wide a margin as Holdsworth had it

chief · Post by **chief** » 26 May 2004, 04:24

Holdsworth's commentary drives me mad..

I had it just to Harris..

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 26 May 2004, 04:32

Only saw the first 2 rounds but Harris looked the dogs to me, a far far superior fighter to anyone Hatton has faced to date. The Cotto match is going to be a sizzler.

bugs · Post by **bugs** » 26 May 2004, 05:20

I support Hatton, in much that same way I support my football team. It means that I have watched him and have a certain amount of faith and respect. I have not seen anything in his performances that suggests he could not beat the top guys, I think he can be them all. It is not all about who you have fought, sometimes you have to look at technique and skills too, even if they have not faced the best. I feel that Hatton's flurry of punches to head and body could overwhelm most fighters out there, he is not the hardest puncher, but it is the volume that stops good fighters.
So bring on Harris he will be stopped.
Hell, bring on Tszyu, Mitchell, Cotto, Mayweather there is not reason Hatton cant beat them all. Just because his promoter has not secured him the fights doesn't mean he isn't as good as well all thought he was a couple of years ago.
Also it is nice to have a fighter that doesn't talk shit, he knows he is good, but doesn't rub your face in it, the man is an abassador, or would be if he was more of a poster boy.
Sometimes you have to support and have faith, not just moan.

DOG · Post by **DOG** » 26 May 2004, 05:34

bugs wrote:I support Hatton, in much that same way I support my football team. It means that I have watched him and have a certain amount of faith and respect. I have not seen anything in his performances that suggests he could not beat the top guys, I think he can be them all. It is not all about who you have fought, sometimes you have to look at technique and skills too, even if they have not faced the best. I feel that Hatton's flurry of punches to head and body could overwhelm most fighters out there, he is not the hardest puncher, but it is the volume that stops good fighters.
So bring on Harris he will be stopped.
Hell, bring on Tszyu, Mitchell, Cotto, Mayweather there is not reason Hatton cant beat them all. Just because his promoter has not secured him the fights doesn't mean he isn't as good as well all thought he was a couple of years ago.
Also it is nice to have a fighter that doesn't talk shit, he knows he is good, but doesn't rub your face in it, the man is an abassador, or would be if he was more of a poster boy.
Sometimes you have to support and have faith, not just moan.

I agree with the sentiment 100%..but can I ask
Exactly which good (respectively good amongst their piers I mean)fighters has Hatton stopped?

Ok, we can talk about skills all day, he can beat him, he can't beat him and so forth.

But when you mention Tszyu, Mitchell, Cotto, Mayweather and Harris, you are mentioning guys who have stepped to the plate time and time again.
It is only then you can judge skills, talent,heart and the whole package.
You say ". It is not all about who you have fought"...but unfortunately it IS about who you have fought...It is how a fighter is judged and remembered. That is fundamental.

People have labelled me a stern critic of Hatton, which is true...What is also true is that I wholeheartedly wish Richard Hatton all the luck in the world with his career, and hope he is successful.
I think he can be.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 26 May 2004, 05:36

Jesus bugs, you must be a stronger guy than me. Faith and respect for the team you support, you must have made it through the disappointment, shame and low expectation phase then.
Last time i went to see my team they lost at home to Southampton, we were outplayed totally by an inferior team, and to cap it all Biscan and Smicer both played.