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Huss wrote:

righthook wrote:Tell us all the big names Mckenzie has k.o.d ???????

Brudov has fought for 2 world titles and had more than double the amount of fights Mckenzie has
Please tell me your not comparing brudovs c.v. To mckenzies c.v.

For the record I think Mckenzie is a big puncher but with 12 k.o.s on his record it's hardly in the same league as brudov is it?
Mckenzie has a 50% k.o. Record it's hardly worth talking about. There are people who can't punch at all who have better k.o. Records

You come across as tho you have very little knowledge in boxing?
I'm not sure if you are a young kid so if you are then I apologise

I'll make this as concise as possible for your obviously frantic and ruined comprehension (In your defence you seem to be a Bellew fan ... so you can be excused somewhat)

1. The majority of the KO's on Brudov's record came against obscure Russians/Turks/Georgians/Latvian with LOSING records, against world class/fringe world class he invariably has to go the distance or he loses (this isn't my opinion it's fact, look for yourself) he is not a puncher at world level (yet he had old peanut head out on his feet)

2. If McKenzie had been fed such weak opposition in his early career what do you think his KO percentage would look like?

3. My original post that engendered this increasingly fatuous colloquoy asked 'Could Ovill beat Bellew at Cruiser?) At Cruiser McKenzie has had five fights (his two recent title shots and three in Prizefighter) he has stopped THREE of those opponents (two of them reigning champions) and floored another, Bellew looked dreadful beating a near 38 year old who hasn't weighed more than 185lbs in his last three fights.

If you are an example of someone WITH 'boxing knowledge' I'm quite happy in my supposed ignorance.

Let me reply with some facts myself mate.

1. Ovil has never won a fight that's gone past 6 rounds that in it's self let's you know everything you need to know about the man as a fighter

2. Bellew has already beat him twice so would there be any point what so ever in having a third fight????????????

3. Brudov has fought far far better opponents than Mckenzie

4. It doesn't matter who your fighting if you are knocking everyone out in front of you then you are a puncher.

5. A prime example of this is Prescott, look who he fought before khan! Do you think knocking people out depending on what country they are from holds any weight to your argument??

6. I think you would certainly be in a minority who thinks ovil has a better c.v. Than brudov

righthook wrote:

Huss wrote:

righthook wrote:Tell us all the big names Mckenzie has k.o.d ???????

Brudov has fought for 2 world titles and had more than double the amount of fights Mckenzie has
Please tell me your not comparing brudovs c.v. To mckenzies c.v.

For the record I think Mckenzie is a big puncher but with 12 k.o.s on his record it's hardly in the same league as brudov is it?
Mckenzie has a 50% k.o. Record it's hardly worth talking about. There are people who can't punch at all who have better k.o. Records

You come across as tho you have very little knowledge in boxing?
I'm not sure if you are a young kid so if you are then I apologise

I'll make this as concise as possible for your obviously frantic and ruined comprehension (In your defence you seem to be a Bellew fan ... so you can be excused somewhat)

1. The majority of the KO's on Brudov's record came against obscure Russians/Turks/Georgians/Latvian with LOSING records, against world class/fringe world class he invariably has to go the distance or he loses (this isn't my opinion it's fact, look for yourself) he is not a puncher at world level (yet he had old peanut head out on his feet)

2. If McKenzie had been fed such weak opposition in his early career what do you think his KO percentage would look like?

3. My original post that engendered this increasingly fatuous colloquoy asked 'Could Ovill beat Bellew at Cruiser?) At Cruiser McKenzie has had five fights (his two recent title shots and three in Prizefighter) he has stopped THREE of those opponents (two of them reigning champions) and floored another, Bellew looked dreadful beating a near 38 year old who hasn't weighed more than 185lbs in his last three fights.

If you are an example of someone WITH 'boxing knowledge' I'm quite happy in my supposed ignorance.

Let me reply with some facts myself mate.

1. Ovil has never won a fight that's gone past 6 rounds that in it's self let's you know everything you need to know about the man as a fighter

2. Bellew has already beat him twice so would there be any point what so ever in having a third fight????????????

3. Brudov has fought far far better opponents than Mckenzie

4. It doesn't matter who your fighting if you are knocking everyone out in front of you then you are a puncher.

5. A prime example of this is Prescott, look who he fought before khan! Do you think knocking people out depending on what country they are from holds any weight to your argument??

6. I think you would certainly be in a minority who thinks ovil has a better c.v. Than brudov

With respect, disagree wholeheartedly with point 4. I could fight 25 grannies tomorrow and KO them all then punch a fighter in the face and have him laugh at me.

Yeh of course it does with grannies but the point I'm trying to make is that just because those fighters he's beaten are from Russia Turkey or Latvia doesn't mean it's easy to do!

If someone was saying look at this guys record he's won 50 out of 50 fights and he was fighting guys from lesser boxing countries then you would be right to say it's a padded record and the caliber of his opponents need looking at but knocking them all out would be a different story. People from countries like Turkey Latvia or Russia can have granit chins but may not be very good boxers

righthook wrote:

Huss wrote:

righthook wrote:Tell us all the big names Mckenzie has k.o.d ???????

Brudov has fought for 2 world titles and had more than double the amount of fights Mckenzie has
Please tell me your not comparing brudovs c.v. To mckenzies c.v.

For the record I think Mckenzie is a big puncher but with 12 k.o.s on his record it's hardly in the same league as brudov is it?
Mckenzie has a 50% k.o. Record it's hardly worth talking about. There are people who can't punch at all who have better k.o. Records

You come across as tho you have very little knowledge in boxing?
I'm not sure if you are a young kid so if you are then I apologise

I'll make this as concise as possible for your obviously frantic and ruined comprehension (In your defence you seem to be a Bellew fan ... so you can be excused somewhat)

1. The majority of the KO's on Brudov's record came against obscure Russians/Turks/Georgians/Latvian with LOSING records, against world class/fringe world class he invariably has to go the distance or he loses (this isn't my opinion it's fact, look for yourself) he is not a puncher at world level (yet he had old peanut head out on his feet)

2. If McKenzie had been fed such weak opposition in his early career what do you think his KO percentage would look like?

3. My original post that engendered this increasingly fatuous colloquoy asked 'Could Ovill beat Bellew at Cruiser?) At Cruiser McKenzie has had five fights (his two recent title shots and three in Prizefighter) he has stopped THREE of those opponents (two of them reigning champions) and floored another, Bellew looked dreadful beating a near 38 year old who hasn't weighed more than 185lbs in his last three fights.

If you are an example of someone WITH 'boxing knowledge' I'm quite happy in my supposed ignorance.

Let me reply with some facts myself mate.

1. Ovil has never won a fight that's gone past 6 rounds that in it's self let's you know everything you need to know about the man as a fighter

2. Bellew has already beat him twice so would there be any point what so ever in having a third fight????????????

3. Brudov has fought far far better opponents than Mckenzie

4. It doesn't matter who your fighting if you are knocking everyone out in front of you then you are a puncher.

5. A prime example of this is Prescott, look who he fought before khan! Do you think knocking people out depending on what country they are from holds any weight to your argument??

6. I think you would certainly be in a minority who thinks ovil has a better c.v. Than brudov

1. Ovill's a puncher, survive the early rounds and you'll beat him, but for the first 4 or 5 rounds he's unbelievably dangerous and more than capable of knocking anyone out if he lands.

2. There isn't really any need for a third fight, this is just a hypothetical situation of what would happen, don't think anyone expects the fight to happen.

3. Brudov's fought a load of nobodies, counting defeats is a waste of time, the only notable wins are Abron, Pineda and Rowsell, none of which are particularly worth shouting about.

4. That doesn't make you a puncher, if you put Ricky Burns in with a load of Latvians, he'd stop all of them, but that still doesn't make a puncher, it only works like that if the power carries up the levels, for Brudov, it never has.

5. Prescott isn't a huge puncher, Khan made him look like one because he walked onto the shots, but since then he's not really stopped anyone and never had before. There's no doubting that he can swing hard and if you're stupid like Khan was and walk onto one, you'll have problems, but he doesn't have the ability to get the punches off when he steps up a level.

6. I'd certainly say Ovill has the better record.

1. Ovill's a puncher, survive the early rounds and you'll beat him, but for the first 4 or 5 rounds he's unbelievably dangerous and more than capable of knocking anyone out if he lands.

2. There isn't really any need for a third fight, this is just a hypothetical situation of what would happen, don't think anyone expects the fight to happen.

3. Brudov's fought a load of nobodies, counting defeats is a waste of time, the only notable wins are Abron, Pineda and Rowsell, none of which are particularly worth shouting about.

4. That doesn't make you a puncher, if you put Ricky Burns in with a load of Latvians, he'd stop all of them, but that still doesn't make a puncher, it only works like that if the power carries up the levels, for Brudov, it never has.

5. Prescott isn't a huge puncher, Khan made him look like one because he walked onto the shots, but since then he's not really stopped anyone and never had before. There's no doubting that he can swing hard and if you're stupid like Khan was and walk onto one, you'll have problems, but he doesn't have the ability to get the punches off when he steps up a level.

6. I'd certainly say Ovill has the better record.


1. yes ovil is dangerous for 3/4 rounds but like i said earlier he has never won a fight that has gone past 6 rounds. Enough said on that matter its self explanatory. It clearly shows his limit as a fighter.

2. Yes i know its a hypothetical question but as i said before he has beat him twice already.

3. counting defeats is not a waste of time or fighters would not have their defeats on their records it lets us know how what level they are on and who has beat them. tell us about ovils notable wins????? please dont say enzo as we all know that was a farce and look what happened when they had the rematch. im really struggling for a good name on his (impressive record) you could say he beat Dickinson but he was British level . so im not sure what your point was there please elaborate?

4. what are you trying to say? is it that if you are from latvia scientifically you have a weaker chin than someone from england? i doubt that very much mate bit of a silly thing to say. as i said in one of my replies before if some one mentioned some one had a padded record 50 fights 50 wins and they was all from latvia a lesser boxing country i would say yes you have a point latvians arnt the best boxing country in the world but as for a chin i can not see where you make that conclusion from. You say Ricky Burns would K.O. a load of Latvians well how on earth could you possibly know that?

5. Prescott is a big puncher (fact) yes khan gave him little respect but Khan gave the same respect to all his other opponents before the Prescott fight and none of them was able to k.o. him. Look who Khan has fought and hasnt been k.o.d by you musnt think Maidana is a big puncher then as he was unable to knock Khan out.

6. Thats whats great about opinions they vary, but for me a guy who has had 2 world title fights and has 41 wins (28 k.o.) and only 4 losses has a much better record than a guy who has had 23 wins (12 k.o.s) and lost 12 times

righthook wrote: 1. yes ovil is dangerous for 3/4 rounds but like i said earlier he has never won a fight that has gone past 6 rounds. Enough said on that matter its self explanatory. It clearly shows his limit as a fighter.

2. Yes i know its a hypothetical question but as i said before he has beat him twice already.

3. counting defeats is not a waste of time or fighters would not have their defeats on their records it lets us know how what level they are on and who has beat them. tell us about ovils notable wins????? please dont say enzo as we all know that was a farce and look what happened when they had the rematch. im really struggling for a good name on his (impressive record) you could say he beat Dickinson but he was British level . so im not sure what your point was there please elaborate?

4. what are you trying to say? is it that if you are from latvia scientifically you have a weaker chin than someone from england? i doubt that very much mate bit of a silly thing to say. as i said in one of my replies before if some one mentioned some one had a padded record 50 fights 50 wins and they was all from latvia a lesser boxing country i would say yes you have a point latvians arnt the best boxing country in the world but as for a chin i can not see where you make that conclusion from. You say Ricky Burns would K.O. a load of Latvians well how on earth could you possibly know that?

5. Prescott is a big puncher (fact) yes khan gave him little respect but Khan gave the same respect to all his other opponents before the Prescott fight and none of them was able to k.o. him. Look who Khan has fought and hasnt been k.o.d by you musnt think Maidana is a big puncher then as he was unable to knock Khan out.

6. Thats whats great about opinions they vary, but for me a guy who has had 2 world title fights and has 41 wins (28 k.o.) and only 4 losses has a much better record than a guy who has had 23 wins (12 k.o.s) and lost 12 times

3. I meant counting defeats to show who they've fought, journeymen have fought and gone the distance with loads of quality fighters, doesn't make them quality fighters. Ovill's beaten Dickinson, Conquest, Dodson, Haymer, Fry and Spartacus, along with running Ajisafe and Inkin close, I'd say that's better than Brudov's.

4. Doesn't mean they have dodgy chins, just that they're not very good, so they get hit clean too often and get stopped, take a look at the average Latvian journeyman that gets brought over here as an example. I'd say that a world class fighter would stop a load of Latvians because he's far too good for them, some would go the distance, but if he stepped it up slightly and put the pressure on he'd have them out of there quickly, simply because they would be overmatched.

5. Khan walked onto Prescott's punches, for the most part he didn't walk onto Maidana's, but if Marcos was a bit less crude he could have got him out of there in the 10th. It's a stupid argument to use to claim someone's a big puncher anyway, Peter McDonagh was stopped by Darren Hamilton, but went the distance with Frankie Gavin, Bradley Saunders, Lee Purdy, Curtis Woodhouse, Lenny Daws, Alex Arthur and Ronnie Heffron, that doesn't make him a bigger puncher.

6. Another stupid argument, using the numbers is a waste of time if you don't actually look at who they've beat. Brudov has beaten 37-38 bums and 3-4 very average fighters, then lost to the best 5 fighters he's faced, he's had his record padded to get paydays, his first 25 fights came against nobodies, just like almost all of his wins since. Tocker Pudwill and Evans Ashira both had 2 world title fights, it's not an indication of someone being a good fighter. Ovill has 12 defeats, but he's never had anyone guiding his career, he's just fought whoever's been thrown in front of him, usually in their backyard when he's been brought into lose, half of his wins have come in fights where he's been the away fighter, if he'd been protected and guided properly he could easily have the same record on paper as Brudov.

expe wrote: it only works like that if the power carries up the levels, for Brudov, it never has

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