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palooka wrote:I remember watching Mark Ramsey box in Sheffield and he looked really good, he had good mobility and excellent combinations - he really knew what he doing. He looked like he'd do well and win titles but it wasn't to be.

Mark Tibbs looked class as well, he was a really good boxer - the same with Peter Gabbitus; there was a top amateur from Telford who's name escapes me, he was good and I thought he'd win the British.

Alan hall lol ! Guy from Telford..mark Elliot?

manno wrote:

palooka wrote:I remember watching Mark Ramsey box in Sheffield and he looked really good, he had good mobility and excellent combinations - he really knew what he doing. He looked like he'd do well and win titles but it wasn't to be.

Mark Tibbs looked class as well, he was a really good boxer - the same with Peter Gabbitus; there was a top amateur from Telford who's name escapes me, he was good and I thought he'd win the British.

Alan hall lol ! Guy from Telford..mark Elliot?

That's the one, Mark Elliot.

Didn't you rate Hall, manno? I know Holligan wrecked him but he looked very good on the way up and Holligan was a good fighter and a big puncher.

palooka wrote:

manno wrote:

palooka wrote:I remember watching Mark Ramsey box in Sheffield and he looked really good, he had good mobility and excellent combinations - he really knew what he doing. He looked like he'd do well and win titles but it wasn't to be.

Mark Tibbs looked class as well, he was a really good boxer - the same with Peter Gabbitus; there was a top amateur from Telford who's name escapes me, he was good and I thought he'd win the British.

Alan hall lol ! Guy from Telford..mark Elliot?

That's the one, Mark Elliot.

Didn't you rate Hall, manno? I know Holligan wrecked him but he looked very good on the way up and Holligan was a good fighter and a big puncher.

yeh mate misunderstanding... The ko's were for me, he beat me in the schoolboy quarter finals 1985 (then beat mccarick in the semis!!) at 14 he'd had 54 bouts won 50 when I boxed him

milpool wrote:Would you consider Noel Quarless good enough to be in this list?

No

What about Tommy Sheils?

Palooka I thought Mark Ramsey was going to be the next Pernell Whitaker

Both him and his brother were top class amateurs

I always thought Matthew Hatton should have boxed for the Lonsdale belt. I know people will say he boxed for this or that (World title) but I'd say he had a little family "help" in that endeavour. Not his fault I know. At one point he'd racked up around 35 fights I think and had never boxed for the British Title, and the lads around him in the rankings were on about 15-20 fights.
I think that there are several occupants of the British title that would have turned him away - as Craig Watson did for the Commonwealth, but after that loss he seemed to go IBO (?) and then suddenly Saul Alvarez....I think he skirted his way around the top end of the British scene. I ain't calling the lad or saying he wasn't a game fighter, but I thought after 30 or 40 fights he might have put his British credentials on the line, and I don't think he did, did he?

EDIT: just had a memory that he fought Kell Brook, that was possibly a British title fight?

EDIT 2: Boxed Brook for the WBA Inter-Continental as well as the IBF International title.

billy bessey wrote:Not boxers that went other routes but ones that simply never made it to fight for it for one reason or another that you thought would have. I will start it off with the heavyweight Chris Burton I sparred him years back and really rated him and he started off really well in the pros as well but just never made it I heard he was comfortable with money so maybe he never had the desire for it as much as others

At one time I'd have backed Chris to get Tyson Fury out of there. Fury was shouting his mouth off for a long time and very soft-looking around the middle and I think if Chris kept it tight he'd have been more than capable of knocking him out, as he flattened a couple of good amateurs.

n1ebf wrote:

billy bessey wrote:Not boxers that went other routes but ones that simply never made it to fight for it for one reason or another that you thought would have. I will start it off with the heavyweight Chris Burton I sparred him years back and really rated him and he started off really well in the pros as well but just never made it I heard he was comfortable with money so maybe he never had the desire for it as much as others

At one time I'd have backed Chris to get Tyson Fury out of there. Fury was shouting his mouth off for a long time and very soft-looking around the middle and I think if Chris kept it tight he'd have been more than capable of knocking him out, as he flattened a couple of good amateurs.

He wasn't capable of going the distance with J L Dickinson or Sam Sexton, but MORE than capable of knocking out Fury? This place is getting silly.

mickey1975 wrote:

n1ebf wrote:

billy bessey wrote:Not boxers that went other routes but ones that simply never made it to fight for it for one reason or another that you thought would have. I will start it off with the heavyweight Chris Burton I sparred him years back and really rated him and he started off really well in the pros as well but just never made it I heard he was comfortable with money so maybe he never had the desire for it as much as others

At one time I'd have backed Chris to get Tyson Fury out of there. Fury was shouting his mouth off for a long time and very soft-looking around the middle and I think if Chris kept it tight he'd have been more than capable of knocking him out, as he flattened a couple of good amateurs.

He wasn't capable of going the distance with J L Dickinson or Sam Sexton, but MORE than capable of knocking out Fury? This place is getting silly.

Come on, Dickinson took place years after the period I'm talking about. Fury had gained a lot more experience by then - he talked his way up. It was also at Cruiserweight, which he'd never boxed at before.
Sam Sexon fight was the final of a Prizefighter and I think Chris had about 10 minutes before the final while Sexton was having a rest. Not saying he beats him otherwise, I'm just saying it could be a factor when one fighter gasses.

When Burton was on the England squad, and Fury was 15, yes he'd have had a chance.

mickey1975 wrote:When Burton was on the England squad, and Fury was 15, yes he'd have had a chance.

now who's being silly? Fury publicly called out all British fighters from more or less the start - which is great. But I personally don't believe serious offers were being made. At the time he was turning up on ITV4 in places like York Hall looking overweight. I think lads like Price and Burton could have beaten him around that time, but someone didn't want those fights - one side or the other or both, I don't know.
For the record I like Fury.