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righthook wrote:and would you rather have a great body or be a good fighter? i know what i would rather have

Body like Clev or fight like Bellew
:idea: Obviosely the former.

righthook wrote: Answer me this why is it that cleverly has fought 2 complete tomato cans at cruiser weight? i already know the answer its because he is vulnerable and has zero confidence but im interested in your opinion .

It was a mistake. There was no need for it. The way he disposed of them, poor as they were, showed that he could do well with a better competition. I dont even think he chose those guys. Probably Eddie thinks he needs to "rebuild his confidence" after terrible handling he suffered from Fwank. Plus public sentiment supports it. Cleverly is just a phlegmatic personality (looks like a common Welsh characteristic to me). It doesnt mean he has no will or confidence. Judge him by his performance not how he talks. Not everyone should be an unhinged madman.

daviddee
Yes We Can
These two guys summed up precisely why I think Clev wins the rematch. Clev is the better boxer, his technique is superior. Plus speed, volume and (perhaps) chin.

Tarkus wrote:

righthook wrote:and would you rather have a great body or be a good fighter? i know what i would rather have

Body like Clev or fight like Bellew
:idea: Obviosely the former.

righthook wrote: Answer me this why is it that cleverly has fought 2 complete tomato cans at cruiser weight? i already know the answer its because he is vulnerable and has zero confidence but im interested in your opinion .

It was a mistake. There was no need for it. The way he disposed of them, poor as they were, showed that he could do well with a better competition. I dont even think he chose those guys. Probably Eddie thinks he needs to "rebuild his confidence" after terrible handling he suffered from Fwank. Plus public sentiment supports it. Cleverly is just a phlegmatic personality (looks like a common Welsh characteristic to me). It doesnt mean he has no will or confidence. Judge him by his performance not how he talks. Not everyone should be an unhinged madman.

daviddee
Yes We Can
These two guys summed up precisely why I think Clev wins the rematch. Clev is the better boxer, his technique is superior. Plus speed, volume and (perhaps) chin.

what has a good body got to do with boxing ability????

i can guarantee u this much. if bellew/cleverly ate the exact amount meals and trained exactly the same with out any difference between them. cleverly would always have a much better looking body but it doesnt mean he is any better, stronger, or faster, it just means his body looks better
Bellew had the same body as an amateur he doesnt get a good physique but its not down to his diet/training its just his body type.
He has the best strength and conditioner/dietitian in the whole of Europe and one of the best in the world and it still doesnt make him look great but as i say do u think its down to his eating or training habits?
Come fight night his body wont make a blind bit of difference to the out come that is for sure.

As for the last bit of your reply those guys give there opinion of what clevs strengths are over bellew i for one completely disagree and allot of other people would to

But one thing is without question bellew hits allot more harder and has done allot more damage at cruiser weight and bellew has also been 12 rounds at this weight where as cleverly has been given tomato cans so no one knows if he will blow up after a few rounds.
to me it looked as tho cleverly was starting to tire and its an absolute fact he looks slow at the weight but as i say lets see what happens on fight night

i just hope they have a good medical service on hand

Bellew does or to be more precise did hit harder at LHW. For all your dismissal of body shape, more muscle usually means more power. Clev showed some signs of better power already at CW. Even if Bellew is still a better puncher, it means little when everything else is stacked against him. The first fight proved that.

BTW my body comment was directed entirely about what would I have prefered for MYSELF. So you could have saved your breath there. You'll need it when Bellew goes tits up.

Bellew is the better puncher, but I'm not sure how much that matters when Clev took flush shots from him without problems in the first bout. The most notable difference for me in that fight was Clev's better engine, as I thought he had significantly more left in the championships rounds, enabling him to win each of them and pull ahead on my card by a point. I believe Clev's solid body work may have also factored into this.

Perhaps moving up will impact their abilities, but I haven't seen signs of that (though obviously there are limited cases to go by) so at this point I'm leaning toward Clev pulling off another close one based on a confluence of superior stamina, work rate, and inside fighting, with Bellew winning several rounds due to better long-range work.

As for who cares about this fight, I do. Neither is at the top of the division and I doubt either will ever be there, but they're solid fighters, the first fight was entertaining and competitive, and there seems to be real ill-will between them, which adds to the excitement for me.