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Lara 116-112,could've been wider IMO,Lara gave Alvarez a boxing lesson last night but i knew Canelo would get the nod just like he did against Trout,even on the backfoot all night long he still landed more punches and sharper ones,i cant remember Alvarez landing one clean headshot all night and most of the bodyshots were partially blocked,the only rounds i gave to Canelo were won on workrate alone

Hit and not be hit's the name of the game,it seems some judges still cant quite grasp that,i'd love to see the compubox numbers,no doubt they would have Lara winning at least 10 rounds,that last judge should be given the boot

Alvarez is a great fighter but when put in against slicksters,he looks nothing more than a plodding journeyman yet him and his fans just counter that by accusing his opponents of running,Lara's not daft he knew if he stayed still he'd be playing into Alvarez's hands

Some experts call it running??? Me,i prefer to give kudo's to Lara to be able to win a whole fight on the backfoot and still be on his toe's at the end

handsofstone wrote:Lara 116-112,could've been wider IMO,Lara gave Alvarez a boxing lesson last night but i knew Canelo would get the nod just like he did against Trout,even on the backfoot all night long he still landed more punches and sharper ones,i cant remember Alvarez landing one clean headshot all night and most of the bodyshots were partially blocked,the only rounds i gave to Canelo were won on workrate alone

Hit and not be hit's the name of the game,it seems some judges still cant quite grasp that,i'd love to see the compubox numbers,no doubt they would have Lara winning at least 10 rounds,that last judge should be given the boot

Alvarez is a great fighter but when put in against slicksters,he looks nothing more than a plodding journeyman yet him and his fans just counter that by accusing his opponents of running,Lara's not daft he knew if he stayed still he'd be playing into Alvarez's hands

Some experts call it running??? Me,i prefer to give kudo's to Lara to be able to win a whole fight on the backfoot and still be on his toe's at the end

handsofstone wrote:Lara 116-112,could've been wider IMO,Lara gave Alvarez a boxing lesson last night but i knew Canelo would get the nod just like he did against Trout,even on the backfoot all night long he still landed more punches and sharper ones,i cant remember Alvarez landing one clean headshot all night and most of the bodyshots were partially blocked,the only rounds i gave to Canelo were won on workrate alone

Hit and not be hit's the name of the game,it seems some judges still cant quite grasp that,i'd love to see the compubox numbers,no doubt they would have Lara winning at least 10 rounds,that last judge should be given the boot

Alvarez is a great fighter but when put in against slicksters,he looks nothing more than a plodding journeyman yet him and his fans just counter that by accusing his opponents of running,Lara's not daft he knew if he stayed still he'd be playing into Alvarez's hands

Some experts call it running??? Me,i prefer to give kudo's to Lara to be able to win a whole fight on the backfoot and still be on his toe's at the end

Lara lost, so must be you don't give Lara kudos?

I don't like to use the term "running" in boxing.. But sometimes you have to let your shield down and take some risks.. Even little ass Floyd stood in front of Canelo, big bad Lara didn't take a step forward all night. It's a damn shame because Lara should have won the fight, he's the better boxer.. But he didn't do enough to deserve a clear decision.. Yes Lara made Alvarez miss, but he didn't make him pay on a consistent basis. When you throw a limited amount of shots like Lara was, that doesn't leave a lasting impression on the judges when Alvarez is the one coming forward and taking all the risks.

I'm all for the sweet science in boxing.. Hitting and not being hit is the name of the game, but there is other criteria to judge a fight on. Alvarez was the one forcing the action, throwing more punches and leaving that lasting impression on the judges. Lara was landing some sharp punches and they were the telling shots but he was no consistent enough.

Brut wrote:

handsofstone wrote:Lara 116-112,could've been wider IMO,Lara gave Alvarez a boxing lesson last night but i knew Canelo would get the nod just like he did against Trout,even on the backfoot all night long he still landed more punches and sharper ones,i cant remember Alvarez landing one clean headshot all night and most of the bodyshots were partially blocked,the only rounds i gave to Canelo were won on workrate alone

Hit and not be hit's the name of the game,it seems some judges still cant quite grasp that,i'd love to see the compubox numbers,no doubt they would have Lara winning at least 10 rounds,that last judge should be given the boot

Alvarez is a great fighter but when put in against slicksters,he looks nothing more than a plodding journeyman yet him and his fans just counter that by accusing his opponents of running,Lara's not daft he knew if he stayed still he'd be playing into Alvarez's hands

Some experts call it running??? Me,i prefer to give kudo's to Lara to be able to win a whole fight on the backfoot and still be on his toe's at the end

Ah brut i might have guessed you thought Canelo won,your too busy trying to be "a Floyd nuthugger" or a "pactard" or whatever it is you guys on CS claim one another to be,instead of worrying about the politiks maybe you should try and learn the art of boxing,sure Lara maybe could've punched more in say 2 rounds max but Alvarez was that bad that was the only rounds he could take,due to Lara's drop in work,nothing more,Lara was far too slick

handsofstone wrote:Lara 116-112,could've been wider IMO,Lara gave Alvarez a boxing lesson last night but i knew Canelo would get the nod just like he did against Trout,even on the backfoot all night long he still landed more punches and sharper ones,i cant remember Alvarez landing one clean headshot all night and most of the bodyshots were partially blocked,the only rounds i gave to Canelo were won on workrate alone

Hit and not be hit's the name of the game,it seems some judges still cant quite grasp that,i'd love to see the compubox numbers,no doubt they would have Lara winning at least 10 rounds,that last judge should be given the boot

Alvarez is a great fighter but when put in against slicksters,he looks nothing more than a plodding journeyman yet him and his fans just counter that by accusing his opponents of running,Lara's not daft he knew if he stayed still he'd be playing into Alvarez's hands

Some experts call it running??? Me,i prefer to give kudo's to Lara to be able to win a whole fight on the backfoot and still be on his toe's at the end

This. If a fighter's style is lateral movement and he's landing more punches, the onus is on the other guy to cut the ring off. THAT IS BOXING. If you are going to penalize a fighter for not slugging it out you are watching the wrong sport.

Alvarez won clearly.

The current poll result is embarrassing to this forum.

Horse wrote:Alvarez won clearly.

The current poll result is embarrassing to this forum.

What is embarrassing for this forum is people who only accept Mexican style fighting and don't understand boxing. Lara wasn't running. He showed effective movement to avoid wild swings from Canelo, but he was also stinging with crisp clean head shots. He would be an idiot to stand in front of the heavier, more powerful fighter and exchange punches with him. He did exactly what Floyd did, and his only problem is that he is a Cuban unknown to wide fan base.

ikorolev wrote:What is embarrassing for this forum is people who only accept Mexican style fighting and don't understand boxing. Lara wasn't running.

He was running and his workrate was awful.

ikorolev wrote:He showed effective movement to avoid wild swings from Canelo, but he was also stinging with crisp clean head shots. He would be an idiot to stand in front of the heavier, more powerful fighter and exchange punches with him. He did exactly what Floyd did, and his only problem is that he is a Cuban unknown to wide fan base.

Floyd does not fight like Lara. He is far superior to Lara.

Horse wrote:

ikorolev wrote:What is embarrassing for this forum is people who only accept Mexican style fighting and don't understand boxing. Lara wasn't running.

He was running and his workrate was awful.

Then Canelo's workrate was super awful.

ikorolev wrote:Then Canelo's workrate was super awful.

No, his workrate was better.

Horse wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Then Canelo's workrate was super awful.

No, his workrate was better.

It was better if you count hitting air.

Wow, a picture of a punch!

Lara Sucks! I paid to see a fight not a track meet! Lara ran and Canelo chased,that's not boxing. If Lara would have fought Canelo he would have got knocked out!

Horse wrote:Wow, a picture of a punch!

Well, landed punches is the main thing which is supposed to count, and Lara landed significantly more clean punches.

Badhusker wrote:Hope there is a rematch, but doubt if there will be.

I would love to see Canelo vs Andrade but he will probably fight Cotto or Kirkland. Canelo vs GGG would be a fun one to watch too.

I like Canelo,but GGG would annihilate Canelo.

Lara hurt Alvarez around the 4th or 5th I think with a hard left and backed him off. I thought he would have gone for him after that.

Final round wrote:Lara hurt Alvarez around the 4th or 5th I think with a hard left and backed him off. I thought he would have gone for him after that.

He should have, but I sensed he was a little afraid of Canelo's power, or he would have. If he would have stepped up his aggressiveness, it would have been better for him in the eyes of the judges.

Badhusker wrote:

Final round wrote:Lara hurt Alvarez around the 4th or 5th I think with a hard left and backed him off. I thought he would have gone for him after that.

He should have, but I sensed he was a little afraid of Canelo's power, or he would have. If he would have stepped up his aggressiveness, it would have been better for him in the eyes of the judges.

Yeah it would have done, although I think the one judge flat out decided Lara's style 'ain't my kind of boxing' from the start.

ikorolev wrote:What is embarrassing for this forum is people who only accept Mexican style fighting and don't understand boxing. Lara wasn't running. He showed effective movement to avoid wild swings from Canelo, but he was also stinging with crisp clean head shots. He would be an idiot to stand in front of the heavier, more powerful fighter and exchange punches with him. He did exactly what Floyd did, and his only problem is that he is a Cuban unknown to wide fan base.

You're such a flake, if Mayweather does that same type of style vs Maidana or anyone else you'll be the first to call it "running" but when it's someone you like you give it a pass.

handsofstone wrote:Ah brut i might have guessed you thought Canelo won,your too busy trying to be "a Floyd nuthugger" or a "pactard" or whatever it is you guys on CS claim one another to be,instead of worrying about the politiks maybe you should try and learn the art of boxing,sure Lara maybe could've punched more in say 2 rounds max but Alvarez was that bad that was the only rounds he could take,due to Lara's drop in work,nothing more,Lara was far too slick

What does me seeing Canelo win a fight have to do with Floyd? You're just upset because the guy you picked lost the fight, the judges got it right (except the 117-111 card) but you guys fail to take into account that Saul was the effective aggressor, his bodyshots wore Lara down and clearly had more effect, he controlled the ring (generalship), he made the workrate of Erislandy drop.

You should learn the art of boxing before you open your big trap.

What about a draw? Canelo can talk as much he wants. Lara may been running, but he also connected more, tagging him, throwing combinations. Canelo had some bodyshots & one good uppercut, thats it. If he wants a slugfest & not a boxing 'match' he should leave this division & fight Golovkin as middleweight.

Brut wrote:

ikorolev wrote:What is embarrassing for this forum is people who only accept Mexican style fighting and don't understand boxing. Lara wasn't running. He showed effective movement to avoid wild swings from Canelo, but he was also stinging with crisp clean head shots. He would be an idiot to stand in front of the heavier, more powerful fighter and exchange punches with him. He did exactly what Floyd did, and his only problem is that he is a Cuban unknown to wide fan base.

You're such a flake, if Mayweather does that same type of style vs Maidana or anyone else you'll be the first to call it "running" but when it's someone you like you give it a pass.

handsofstone wrote:Ah brut i might have guessed you thought Canelo won,your too busy trying to be "a Floyd nuthugger" or a "pactard" or whatever it is you guys on CS claim one another to be,instead of worrying about the politiks maybe you should try and learn the art of boxing,sure Lara maybe could've punched more in say 2 rounds max but Alvarez was that bad that was the only rounds he could take,due to Lara's drop in work,nothing more,Lara was far too slick

What does me seeing Canelo win a fight have to do with Floyd? You're just upset because the guy you picked lost the fight, the judges got it right (except the 117-111 card) but you guys fail to take into account that Saul was the effective aggressor, his bodyshots wore Lara down and clearly had more effect, he controlled the ring (generalship), he made the workrate of Erislandy drop.

You should learn the art of boxing before you open your big trap.

I infact had Canelo close points in the PTBF so "the guy i picked" never lost the fight but i did feel that Lara would deserve the W but probably come up short on the cards and i was right and Saul may have been the aggressor but he still didnt land a punch of note,he was having success to the body but Lara was using a lot of lateral movement or running as some call it so it was inevitable that he would slow in the later rounds but he still done a good job of making Canelo miss

Lara 116-112

Woldemar wrote:Lara 116-112

Ditto

Horse wrote:

ikorolev wrote:What is embarrassing for this forum is people who only accept Mexican style fighting and don't understand boxing. Lara wasn't running.

He was running and his workrate was awful.

ikorolev wrote:He showed effective movement to avoid wild swings from Canelo, but he was also stinging with crisp clean head shots. He would be an idiot to stand in front of the heavier, more powerful fighter and exchange punches with him. He did exactly what Floyd did, and his only problem is that he is a Cuban unknown to wide fan base.

Floyd does not fight like Lara. He is far superior to Lara.

His work rate wasn't high, but how does that justify him losing? Does it override his arguably higher accuracy, more frequent connects, and cleaner punching? Would he get more credit if he threw 50 more punches and none of them landed?

I understand that by moving so much and not being very active he arguably allowed Canelo to keep the punches landed comparable despite being less accurate, but it sounds like people are penalizing Lara just because they found his style unpleasant. It's easy to see his style could be considered unappealing, but when his movement resulted in Canelo missing wildly with almost everything he threw during those periods of movement, and when he landed clean shots throughout the bout and arguably out landed Alvarez in most rounds, I don't see strong grounds for appealing to Lara's 'running' and low work rate as reasons why any card not in Canelo's favor is poor.

crusader wrote:His work rate wasn't high, but how does that justify him losing? Does it override his arguably higher accuracy, more frequent connects, and cleaner punching? Would he get more credit if he threw 50 more punches and none of them landed?

I used to respect you. I thought you were one of the best posters on here, but all Cuban worshippers are worthy of contempt.

crusader wrote:I understand that by moving so much and not being very active he arguably allowed Canelo to keep the punches landed comparable despite being less accurate, but it sounds like people are penalizing Lara just because they found his style unpleasant. It's easy to see his style could be considered unappealing, but when his movement resulted in Canelo missing wildly with almost everything he threw during those periods of movement, and when he landed clean shots throughout the bout and arguably out landed Alvarez in most rounds, I don't see strong grounds for appealing to Lara's 'running' and low work rate as reasons why any card not in Canelo's favor is poor.

Cubans = boxing cancer.

I despise their style with every fibre of my being. They are the antithesis of everything worthwhile.

Their support on this site makes me question the purpose of living.

I don't understand humanity. What's the point?