Disappointed with Bellew

[liamlion]

He doesn't act in any way like a psychopath. He's probably the antithesis of a psychopath. Read up on the traits of a psychopath.

Psychopathy is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior.

So this is the opposite of how Bellew behaves?

If those traits are only focused on one person then they aren't broad and engrained enough to be full on psychopathy.
So while not the opposite, hatred of an individual isn't psychopathic behaviour.

Without us all trying to act like armchair psychiatrists and being pernickety, all reasonable people can accept Johnswan1's sentiment, that being: Bellew has on more than one occasion, very publicly acted unhinged and in a very unsavoury manner. Whatever the definition of his behaviour its certainly not reasonable nor endearing.

[Counter-puncher]

oooh he's a bit dangerous

[ThereByTheGrace]

Bellew's a boring gobshite who can't back up what he says in the ring. End of.

Clev will beat him again.

[ttornado]

Without us all trying to act like armchair psychiatrists and being pernickety, all reasonable people can accept Johnswan1's sentiment, that being: Bellew has on more than one occasion, very publicly acted unhinged and in a very unsavoury manner. Whatever the definition of his behaviour its certainly not reasonable nor endearing.

Johnswan1 was being the armchair psychiatrist, I've only seen Bellew act distastefully towards Cleverly. On other boxing subjects he comes across reasonable and knowledgeable. While the animosity towards Cleverly may sometimes be OTT it does get people talking. Cleverly comes across a bit dull, he a maths degree seems the limit of his personality.

[whiskey]

Peculiar that Bellew says Froch & Groves was in his opinion, 'manufactured' - when he knows absolutely that it was anything but and that it was absolutely real. The boos, the sh*t on twitter and all the campaigning of the IBF, arguments and stress - it was boiling point for months on end. It's still seems a bit frayed even today despite the conclusive ending to the whole saga.

...but his beef isn't manufactured ?

He should call himself Fray Brentos !

[TJ77]

He is clearly trying to make this fight into something it can never be.
A domestic block buster.
He see's the numbers generated by Froch - Groves 1+2 and wants a piece.
Difference is Quality and risk Bellew v Clev has neither of these attributes.
He mistakenly thinks that by generating hype in the form of a grudge you get the mass publics attention this is true to an extent but a fight is interesting to the masses when they can see what the victor has to gain and the loser has to lose.
Neither Nathan or Tony have any other realistic option for a big money fight.
Cleverly probably has a bit more dough so lacks the desperation of Bellew but has no other option but to get involved as what else is out there.
Not to be taken seriously this is just rudimental hype mongering designed to pull in dough now and provide future fodder for Tony on the scouse after dinner speaking circuit in his retirement.

[Final round]

I'm sure Tony was the first to criticise Nathan after losing to him 'i won the fight, he never hurt me etc 'and he probably had a pop back and suddenly he's a scumbag and a wanker..

[handsofstone]

I bet that bastard Nathan slagged off his nan

[eric116]

Bellew has always promised so much and has always talked about how devastating his performances were going to be but has many unconvincing performances such as both Chilemba fights, Mackenzie first fight, Stevenson, Bolotoni and so on.
The way he talks about Cleverly really annoys me and I feel Cleverly deserves a lot of credit...He has defended his title in Bellews home city and beat him and came again to Liverpool to win.
Would love to see Cleverly spank him again !

[handsofstone]

Bellew has always promised so much and has always talked about how devastating his performances were going to be but has many unconvincing performances such as both Chilemba fights, Mackenzie first fight, Stevenson, Bolotoni and so on.
The way he talks about Cleverly really annoys me and I feel Cleverly deserves a lot of credit...He has defended his title in Bellews home city and beat him and came again to Liverpool to win.
Would love to see Cleverly spank him again !

And Cleverly was only 24,and Tony must have been nearly 30 and was a HW in the am's so it was like man against boy so Cleverly should get a lot of credit for that especially as Bellew can be quite intimidating to some but Nathan had no qualms about going to his backyard and pulled out the win

[MarkMcBurney]

Going against the grain, Bellew wins this by knockout for me.

Clev has looked awful at cruiser, he's just not big enough and has no pop. The extra weight has slowed him down too. Tony is much the bigger man and has carried power up with him.

Can not see Cleverly taking too many big shots and still being there.

[crusader]

Tony doesn't seem much bigger to me and he's clearly softer than Cleverly is. Bellew was a solid puncher at LHW too and he never hurt Cleverly, and although the extra weight could impair Clev's stamina, which is a key to his success, that remains to be seen.

The first fight was very close though and it wouldn't take a lot to swing things the other way.

[dbf]

Bit cringey from Tony. He just comes across as a bit of a plonker sometimes. He's not a bad boxer, but I didn't see the improvements he's talked about, still getting tagged easily by lesser competition. He aksed Cleverly who he's fought, well I'd say Clevs' resume is better than Bellews. Murat tops anyone on Bellew's ledger bar Stevenson but he's cancelled out by Kovalev.

I think there is some expectation now on fighters to really go OTT on this big domestic fights since Froch v Groves 2. Chisora and Fury were at it today. Eddie, for all his criticism has truly shown the potential of domestic showdowns. Unfortunately though Bellew v Clev 2 is nowhere near as good or relevant as Froch Groves yet Sky will ram it down our throats, despite neither guy showing any world class capabilities at Cruiserweight.

[TheCobra]

In that Sportinglife interview Bellew on the one hand says he wants to hospitalise Cleverly and never see him in a boxing ring again, that he hates him etc etc.

Then on the other hand he's trying to say 'I'm a nice guy' and 'I've got a degree'.

Make your mind up who you are Tony. No-one likes a gobshite do they really.

[Karl Jade]

Funny Bellew hates Cleverly for 'telling lies' but seemingly has no issue with Tyson Fury accusing him of being Price's 'gay lover'.

Bellew's ridiculous.

[TheCobra]

I think there is some expectation now on fighters to really go OTT on this big domestic fights since Froch v Groves 2. Chisora and Fury were at it today. Eddie, for all his criticism has truly shown the potential of domestic showdowns. Unfortunately though Bellew v Clev 2 is nowhere near as good or relevant as Froch Groves yet Sky will ram it down our throats, despite neither guy showing any world class capabilities at Cruiserweight.

Yeh that's it, Hearn has scented the opportunity and it's a good angle to go for, but it has to be the right fight and the right fighters to really capture the imagination.

Froch v Groves captured the general public, but much as we might criticise casuals they aint totally stupid,
it's a much tougher sell for 2 men who have fallen short at the top level and who there's already been a fight between. PPV this is not I'm afraid.

This is only PPV as part of a stacked card or co-feature and even then it's gona be a struggle. They should save PPV for the real top matchups, got to be a world title involved and one of the fighters has to hold a genuine world title.

[macaca]

Was he a knob, yes.

Would you spout you mouth off face to face with a guy you hate because he in your eyes robbed you previously, whist having beaten much better opposition on the same card in your home city?

I think I would have acted a bit like a knob too to be honest like Tony.

I disagree that Tony comes across nice as pie away from fight night, something I don't like about him. But well.

I like what someone else said that after he was torn apart in Canada after all the shit he was spouting he might just wind his neck in a bit. Very James DeGaleesque.

[BAP1]

Bellew is all bark and no bite

[punjabipal]

He is clearly trying to make this fight into something it can never be.
A domestic block buster.
He see's the numbers generated by Froch - Groves 1+2 and wants a piece.
Difference is Quality and risk Bellew v Clev has neither of these attributes.
He mistakenly thinks that by generating hype in the form of a grudge you get the mass publics attention this is true to an extent but a fight is interesting to the masses when they can see what the victor has to gain and the loser has to lose.
Neither Nathan or Tony have any other realistic option for a big money fight.
Cleverly probably has a bit more dough so lacks the desperation of Bellew but has no other option but to get involved as what else is out there.
Not to be taken seriously this is just rudimental hype mongering designed to pull in dough now and provide future fodder for Tony on the scouse after dinner speaking circuit in his retirement.

Well said.......Totally agree.

[whiskey]

Going against the grain, Bellew wins this by knockout for me.

Clev has looked awful at cruiser, he's just not big enough and has no pop. The extra weight has slowed him down too. Tony is much the bigger man and has carried power up with him.

Can not see Cleverly taking too many big shots and still being there.

He's had just 2 fights at Cruiser and walked through both easily. But where they any good?

Bellew has had two fights and was seemingly shook in both of them. But to be fair, both were of quite a high calibre for someone who'd not fought at cruiser before. His debut was against a man who challenged for a world title.

I think it's hard to know who is best so far. I'd lean towards Bellew, but that's only a gut feeling.

But Clev's output has been higher and his variety has been better. But then again, his opponents looked less dangerous.

I suppose ultimately we aren't 100% sure on who looks best at cruiser yet.

[dapug]

Thought it was funny the way Bellew made to get out the ring to attack Cleverly and when no one held him back he just got back in the ring, I am sure most of this crap is staged and much like Fury v Chisora people are just losing interest.

[TJ77]

He is clearly trying to make this fight into something it can never be.
A domestic block buster.
He see's the numbers generated by Froch - Groves 1+2 and wants a piece.
Difference is Quality and risk Bellew v Clev has neither of these attributes.
He mistakenly thinks that by generating hype in the form of a grudge you get the mass publics attention this is true to an extent but a fight is interesting to the masses when they can see what the victor has to gain and the loser has to lose.
Neither Nathan or Tony have any other realistic option for a big money fight.
Cleverly probably has a bit more dough so lacks the desperation of Bellew but has no other option but to get involved as what else is out there.
Not to be taken seriously this is just rudimental hype mongering designed to pull in dough now and provide future fodder for Tony on the scouse after dinner speaking circuit in his retirement.

Well said.......Totally agree.

Thanks

[TheCobra]

Thought it was funny the way Bellew made to get out the ring to attack Cleverly and when no one held him back he just got back in the ring, I am sure most of this crap is staged and much like Fury v Chisora people are just losing interest.

Yep embarassing and cringeworthy moment, if you're gona do something like that you have to surely follow it through? Get out of the ring and let people at ringside hold you back. The way he just got back in the ring he looked a right div.

[bripez]

Funny Bellew hates Cleverly for 'telling lies' but seemingly has no issue with Tyson Fury accusing him of being Price's 'gay lover'.

Bellew's ridiculous.

True that mate

[slapbangwhallop]

Controversy and cuss words creates cash.