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Kronkpride wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Lackeos wrote:I'm picking the fighter who's actually beat somebody.

I'm picking the fighter that has never been KO'd by a tomato can, or that has a Majority draw against a guy that was 17-17-1.

Demetrice King is no tomato can. He has KO wins over Stiverne and Bowie Tupou. He got stopped once by Briggs in legit fashion and the other time didin't answer the bell in the 10th against Oquendo. The guy is a warrior who has fought a ton of top tier HW rounds vs top echelon guys.

If you look up King he was thrown to the wolves early by some piss poor management. Stacy Goodson could have made this guy 30-0 and rated Top 15 in a heart beat. JD Chapman and David Rodriguez were both guys that King would have beat the F up in any match at any time. They were undefeated for quite a ways....hell the coward Chapman even retired with a 150 grand offer to fight Haye and another for Valuev I think. King fights these same dudes for 10 grand. He had to fight with Tua's cousin to get his last 10 grand pay check and hasn't fought since. A damn shame because he is better than the majority of HW's out there today. And many lesser men have made a ton more money than he ever did.


I'll tell you this much too....Demetrice King would have at least a 50/50 shot against Wilder if he had a camp to get into top shape right now. He wouldn't lay down to Wilder and I'd put my money on King to KO his arse in the mid to late rounds. The betting public would probably be on Wilder's nuts but they are like you. They have no actual clue about who boxers are or what they can really do. Anybody calling King a tomato can is totally clueless about HW boxing.

SenorPipino wrote:If Stiverne somehow finds the huevos to sign and enter the ring against Wilder, the heavyweight "champion" will be dismissed about as quickly as Frazier against Foreman.
Stiverne's no Frazier, and it's quite possible that DW possesses Foremanesque power.
Should be an easy night for the unbeaten Olympian. Stiverne's hardly a legitimate heavyweight champ. He'll look like the fraud he is against Wilder.

punchoutsb wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:If Stiverne somehow finds the huevos to sign and enter the ring against Wilder, the heavyweight "champion" will be dismissed about as quickly as Frazier against Foreman.
Stiverne's no Frazier, and it's quite possible that DW possesses Foremanesque power.
Should be an easy night for the unbeaten Olympian. Stiverne's hardly a legitimate heavyweight champ. He'll look like the fraud he is against Wilder.

You're right, Stiverne is hardly a legitimate heavyweight champ...and Wilder is hardly a legitimate heavyweight contender. Should be a good matchup.

SenorPipino wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:If Stiverne somehow finds the huevos to sign and enter the ring against Wilder, the heavyweight "champion" will be dismissed about as quickly as Frazier against Foreman.
Stiverne's no Frazier, and it's quite possible that DW possesses Foremanesque power.
Should be an easy night for the unbeaten Olympian. Stiverne's hardly a legitimate heavyweight champ. He'll look like the fraud he is against Wilder.

You're right, Stiverne is hardly a legitimate heavyweight champ...and Wilder is hardly a legitimate heavyweight contender. Should be a good matchup.

Legitimate power, which Wilder possesses, often overrides unpolished skill.
And believe me, considering the state of this pathetic heavyweight division (sorry Pulev groupies),Wilder is about as legitimate a contender as you can get.

Badhusker wrote:

Kronkpride wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I'm picking the fighter that has never been KO'd by a tomato can, or that has a Majority draw against a guy that was 17-17-1.

Demetrice King is no tomato can.

I guess I should have said "a guy with a 15-20 record" instead. I have not seen him fight, but anyone that has 20 losses by the age of 30 is not what I would call even a fringe contender.

jezzamundo wrote:This is a fight where no result would surprise me - except if it went the distance.

Wilder is the very definition of unproven. The fact that he's never heard the bell for the end of a 4th round and has only fought 54 rounds in his 31 fight, 5 1/2 year career is quite ridiculous. Yes, he has looked good (although sometimes clumsy) is dispatching his opponents, but he has never fought anyone the quality of Arreola, Austin or most importantly, Stiverne. His chin and stamina remain huge question marks.

Stiverne on the other hand is proven at the top level, now having twice convincingly beaten the solid gatekeeper Arreola. His loss to Demetrice King was definitely a questionable stoppage and for me the Ray Austin fight is a positive, as Austin was a tall heavyweight and a good boxer who would outpoint most opponents not named Klitschko. His draw with Charles Davis (who?) however, though five years ago, is a pitiful result which hopefully we can put down to having an off night. I'm also not a fan of Stiverne's inactivity and fluctuating weight, though hopefully he would come in in shape for Wilder.

I'll be interested to see the odds on this fight, though I think Stiverne should be the narrow favourite, he probably won't be. I think it will probably be an early KO win for Wilder, or an early to mid-rounds KO win for Stiverne.

Lackeos wrote:

SFW wrote:Wilder is going to knock him out. And we'll still hear the whining and moaning about who he hasn't fought. No matter. That noise doesn't mean or change anything.

You seem to be the delusional person who believes the exact opposite of reality. Wilder does nothing, you think he's a God. Stiverne does something, you seem to think he's going to get knocked out. You're playing the role of Opposite Man. Once Wilder actually accomplishes something, you'll probably be on here claiming he's done nothing, because you're Opposite Man.