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Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 08 Aug 2014, 09:25
by punchoutsb
tsmithy50 wrote:rm1 wrote:Williams is an active fighter out again in September but really pushing his luck these days.
He's actually fighting tomorrow in Crimea of all places against a debutant..
It's a way some of these guys can ride into the sunset. No training needed, go down from the first couple punches landed and get a check. Bob Sapp perfected this when he ended his MMA career. Easy money, especially if you used to have a name of somekind.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Aug 2014, 00:17
by dempseyfire
vovazilvova wrote:There are 6 heavyweight fighters that I think should retire because of age and a high risk of getting seriously hurt if continue competing with younger stronger heavyweights.
01. Tomasz Adamek - Age (37) not so old but he has 52 fights in which he has been hit a lot especially the Klitschko fight.
02. Tony Thompson - Age (42) has 44 fights, 2 beatings from W. Klitschko took a beating from David Price in 2nd fight before knocking price out at 41 years old.
03. Antonio Tarver - Age (45) has no future in Heavyweight division, if he takes a fight for good money from serious puncher can get really hurt.
04. Fres Oquendo - Age (41) 45 fights, has no future in boxing at this age except to keep on getting close fights and hurt for no good reason but money.
05. Kali Meehan - Age (44) made some money in super 8 Tournament, no future in big fights, no need to get hurt at this age.
06. Brian Minto - Age (39) lots of though fights, has taken too many hard punches through out his career, will be nothing but step up for younger fighters.
There is better ways for these guys to make money (if they haven't enough) then by getting hurt in boxing.
? WTF? Thompson just beat a top 10 fighter in Solis . . following beating a highly touted prospect twice and giving the #1 challenger a reasonably competitive fight. No reason he should be on the list.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Aug 2014, 00:28
by Othro
dempseyfire wrote:vovazilvova wrote:There are 6 heavyweight fighters that I think should retire because of age and a high risk of getting seriously hurt if continue competing with younger stronger heavyweights.
01. Tomasz Adamek - Age (37) not so old but he has 52 fights in which he has been hit a lot especially the Klitschko fight.
02. Tony Thompson - Age (42) has 44 fights, 2 beatings from W. Klitschko took a beating from David Price in 2nd fight before knocking price out at 41 years old.
03. Antonio Tarver - Age (45) has no future in Heavyweight division, if he takes a fight for good money from serious puncher can get really hurt.
04. Fres Oquendo - Age (41) 45 fights, has no future in boxing at this age except to keep on getting close fights and hurt for no good reason but money.
05. Kali Meehan - Age (44) made some money in super 8 Tournament, no future in big fights, no need to get hurt at this age.
06. Brian Minto - Age (39) lots of though fights, has taken too many hard punches through out his career, will be nothing but step up for younger fighters.
There is better ways for these guys to make money (if they haven't enough) then by getting hurt in boxing.
? WTF? Thompson just beat a top 10 fighter in Solis . . following beating a highly touted prospect twice and giving the #1 challenger a reasonably competitive fight. No reason he should be on the list.
Exactly as far as I'm concerned Thompson is still the best American heavyweight.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Aug 2014, 02:30
by vovazilvova
Othro wrote:dempseyfire wrote:vovazilvova wrote:There are 6 heavyweight fighters that I think should retire because of age and a high risk of getting seriously hurt if continue competing with younger stronger heavyweights.
01. Tomasz Adamek - Age (37) not so old but he has 52 fights in which he has been hit a lot especially the Klitschko fight.
02. Tony Thompson - Age (42) has 44 fights, 2 beatings from W. Klitschko took a beating from David Price in 2nd fight before knocking price out at 41 years old.
03. Antonio Tarver - Age (45) has no future in Heavyweight division, if he takes a fight for good money from serious puncher can get really hurt.
04. Fres Oquendo - Age (41) 45 fights, has no future in boxing at this age except to keep on getting close fights and hurt for no good reason but money.
05. Kali Meehan - Age (44) made some money in super 8 Tournament, no future in big fights, no need to get hurt at this age.
06. Brian Minto - Age (39) lots of though fights, has taken too many hard punches through out his career, will be nothing but step up for younger fighters.
There is better ways for these guys to make money (if they haven't enough) then by getting hurt in boxing.
? WTF? Thompson just beat a top 10 fighter in Solis . . following beating a highly touted prospect twice and giving the #1 challenger a reasonably competitive fight. No reason he should be on the list.
Exactly as far as I'm concerned Thompson is still the best American heavyweight.
Thompson did achived what nobody expected of him, but if he fights real heavy hitters for good money like Wilder, stivern, Arreola, povetkin or fury he can get really hurt,
He is better then most of american Heavyweights but he wont become a champion for sure, so why risk getting hurt, his getting older not younger
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Aug 2014, 06:58
by IRLangmaid25
I am pretty much in agreement in regard to Francois Botha, Hashim Rahman (he looked awful against Alexander Povetkin), Danny Williams (please just stop). And with Tomasz Adamek and James Toney with both of them being just too small to be Heavyweights.
As for Tony Thompson. I am not sure on. Yes he beat David Price TWICE when Price should not have been let anywhere near to help get him some good pay days. But he is could be a good test for the likes of Bryant Jennings and Deontay Wilder if they want to mix it at World level.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Aug 2014, 09:46
by greg
...Briggs, before it's too late...
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Aug 2014, 09:54
by Lackeos
vovazilvova wrote:Thompson did achived what nobody expected of him, but if he fights real heavy hitters for good money like Wilder, stivern, Arreola, povetkin or fury he can get really hurt
He already fought one of the division's then perceived to be heaviest hitters in David Price, and he didn't get hurt, and did the hurting. Povetkin and Fury aren't really power punchers anyway, and Wilder is just a dark-skinned, American David Price.
Plus, Thompson has only been stopped twice, both times by Wlad. There's fighters out there like Maskaev who go to sleep every time they step into the ring. In fact, I was already worried about Maskaev's health several years ago.
In conclusion, a fighter doesn't need to retire if he's still notching virtually career-best wins, not getting stopped or taking too much punishment, hasn't taken a significant accumulation of punishment throughout his career, is still capable of making substantial sums of money, and don't have a ton of money saved-up in comparison to what he's currently making on a per-fight basis.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 10 Aug 2014, 11:03
by ReggieDiggs
vovazilvova wrote:Thompson did achived what nobody expected of him, but if he fights real heavy hitters for good money like Wilder, stivern, Arreola, povetkin or fury he can get really hurt,
He is better then most of american Heavyweights but he wont become a champion for sure, so why risk getting hurt, his getting older not younger
The notion that older guys are more likely to get hurt isn't something I see as a reality. Everyone who walks into the ring is taking a risk, I don't see that Tony's is any greater & he's a top guy still who wins fights. While Tony probably isn't likely to become champion he is a top ten & hell maybe a top 5 HW. I don't think I'd say that about anyone else on the list you made so I'd agree with the others Tony is one of the 40+ guys I wouldn't be in favor of quitting & I'm nearly always wanting 40+ year old fighters retiring.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 11 Aug 2014, 18:17
by Duch
Andrew Golota
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 06:37
by Harrymonk36
rm1 wrote:There are loads of them but Audley Harrison doesn't need any more punishment.
And we don't need the punishment if seeing any more of Audley's fights
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 10:51
by edeescam1
Shannon Briggs
Michael Grant
David Tua
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 11:07
by Tony1244
vovazilvova wrote:There are 6 heavyweight fighters that I think should retire because of age and a high risk of getting seriously hurt if continue competing with younger stronger heavyweights.
01. Tomasz Adamek - Age (37) not so old but he has 52 fights in which he has been hit a lot especially the Klitschko fight.
02. Tony Thompson - Age (42) has 44 fights, 2 beatings from W. Klitschko took a beating from David Price in 2nd fight before knocking price out at 41 years old.
03. Antonio Tarver - Age (45) has no future in Heavyweight division, if he takes a fight for good money from serious puncher can get really hurt.
04. Fres Oquendo - Age (41) 45 fights, has no future in boxing at this age except to keep on getting close fights and hurt for no good reason but money.
05. Kali Meehan - Age (44) made some money in super 8 Tournament, no future in big fights, no need to get hurt at this age.
06. Brian Minto - Age (39) lots of though fights, has taken too many hard punches through out his career, will be nothing but step up for younger fighters.
There is better ways for these guys to make money (if they haven't enough) then by getting hurt in boxing.
These fighters fight so seldom it almost doesn't matter. How they feel and cat scan results would answer what the rest of us don't know.
Oquendo and Thompson aren't really getting beaten up, so perhaps they have a couple fights left. Adamek got beat up a bit last time. The rest are going nowhere fast.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 12:06
by The Great John L
vovazilvova wrote:He is better then most of american Heavyweights but he wont become a champion for sure, so why risk getting hurt, his getting older not younger
Well, he must be better than most active HWs since he beat one of the heralded British towers of mediocrity and also a former Olympic champion and highly ranked contender.
This group of HWs is really sad. Thompson at his best was nothing more than a middling contender and now he beats two pillars of the division and could probably beat several other highly regarded pretenders. There is no reason for him to retire as long as there are over-hyped clowns to expose.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 01 Sep 2014, 22:15
by macaca
The Great John L wrote:vovazilvova wrote:He is better then most of american Heavyweights but he wont become a champion for sure, so why risk getting hurt, his getting older not younger
Well, he must be better than most active HWs since he beat one of the heralded British towers of mediocrity and also a former Olympic champion and highly ranked contender.
This group of HWs is really sad. Thompson at his best was nothing more than a middling contender and now he beats two pillars of the division and could probably beat several other highly regarded pretenders. There is no reason for him to retire as long as there are over-hyped clowns to expose.
How do you see Thompson Wilder?
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 02 Sep 2014, 09:24
by Clint Magnum
Any news on the supposed return of Riddick Bowe?
There were links on Boxrec a couple of weeks ago touting him as lined up for a bout on the Jeff Lacy undercard on 20th Sept?
I hope this was incorrect or he's decided against it.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 02 Sep 2014, 14:15
by drunkenpiper36
There are lots of guys who should retire, give it up, etc.. But that doesn't just hold true to the older men who have been around forever. There are plenty of 2-17 tomato cans ( and in every division ) who shouldn't be in there either.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Jun 2015, 09:43
by Gnome
vovazilvova wrote:There are 6 heavyweight fighters that I think should retire because of age and a high risk of getting seriously hurt if continue competing with younger stronger heavyweights.
01. Tomasz Adamek - Age (37) not so old but he has 52 fights in which he has been hit a lot especially the Klitschko fight.
02. Tony Thompson - Age (42) has 44 fights, 2 beatings from W. Klitschko took a beating from David Price in 2nd fight before knocking price out at 41 years old.
03. Antonio Tarver - Age (45) has no future in Heavyweight division, if he takes a fight for good money from serious puncher can get really hurt.
04. Fres Oquendo - Age (41) 45 fights, has no future in boxing at this age except to keep on getting close fights and hurt for no good reason but money.
05. Kali Meehan - Age (44) made some money in super 8 Tournament, no future in big fights, no need to get hurt at this age.
06. Brian Minto - Age (39) lots of though fights, has taken too many hard punches through out his career, will be nothing but step up for younger fighters.
There is better ways for these guys to make money (if they haven't enough) then by getting hurt in boxing.
Nine months on and:
01: Adamek hasn't fought since, but will have a fairwell fight against Saleta.
02: Tony Thompson beat former top contender Solis, proving himself as the top gatekeeper of the division. #7 in the world.
03: Antonio Tarver beat Johnathan Banks via 7th round KO, world ranked.
04: Fres Oquendo inactive since his Chagaev loss, but has recently (through ligitation) secured another shot at the WBA regular title in the near future.
05: Kali Meehan accounted for Shane Cameron in a big domestic affair, being talked about as an opponent for Parker.
06: Brian Minto had an unsuccessful tilt at the NZ Super 8 cruiserweight tournament - was by most accounts robbed. Will fight on.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Jun 2015, 10:00
by The Great John L
Othro wrote:Exactly as far as I'm concerned Thompson is still the best American heavyweight.
He clearly showed that he’s better than most active HWs but beating one of the UK towers of mediocrity twice and the obese former Cuban great really only shows the dreadful nature of the current HW. Jennings and Wilder have both proven more in the past year and represent the best of the US hopefuls.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Jun 2015, 10:41
by Tony1244
vovazilvova wrote:There are 6 heavyweight fighters that I think should retire because of age and a high risk of getting seriously hurt if continue competing with younger stronger heavyweights.
01. Tomasz Adamek - Age (37) not so old but he has 52 fights in which he has been hit a lot especially the Klitschko fight.
02. Tony Thompson - Age (42) has 44 fights, 2 beatings from W. Klitschko took a beating from David Price in 2nd fight before knocking price out at 41 years old.
03. Antonio Tarver - Age (45) has no future in Heavyweight division, if he takes a fight for good money from serious puncher can get really hurt.
04. Fres Oquendo - Age (41) 45 fights, has no future in boxing at this age except to keep on getting close fights and hurt for no good reason but money.
05. Kali Meehan - Age (44) made some money in super 8 Tournament, no future in big fights, no need to get hurt at this age.
06. Brian Minto - Age (39) lots of though fights, has taken too many hard punches through out his career, will be nothing but step up for younger fighters.
There is better ways for these guys to make money (if they haven't enough) then by getting hurt in boxing.
I agree with 4/6. TT is still effective with his 4 wins over Price and Solis. Oquendo fights so seldom that I don't see what he's risking. His last fight against Chagaev, shows he's still effective in his usually very unexciting way.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Jun 2015, 10:47
by The Great John L
Tony1244 wrote:I agree with 4/6. TT is still effective with his 2 wins over Price and Solis. Oquendo fights so seldom that I don't see what he's risking. His last fight against Chagaev, shows he's still effective in his usually very unexciting way.
Fres has always been pretty good at not taking a beating, and despite the grief people seem to give him, he hasn’t lost a fight decisively since he was stopped by Ruiz over 10 years ago. All his losses since then have been close decisions, and most of them he could have easily gotten the decision.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 09 Jun 2015, 13:02
by Rexob
I don't think any of them should retire how dare you suggest they do!
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 22:10
by GalenBadBoyBrown
vovazilvova wrote:and of course
07. James Toney - Age (45) 90 fights, absolutely no future in boxing. only will get hurt.
So just got offered to fight him in August usually I don't have enough time to train for fights what is everyone thoughts on this
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 22:20
by Freedom2013
I'm pretty sure Maskaev is retired. Hopefully Harrison will remain retired.
Adamek is semi-retired, but will have one farewell fight in Poland later this year.
Tarver, Meehan, Rahman, Williams, Oquendo and Sprott all should retire.
(Roy Jones, a former HW titleholder, is scheduled for two cruiserweight fights in late summer :( )
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 11 Jun 2015, 23:19
by hurricanemitch14
Tarver...oquendo.....thompson still r solid dudes.. not prime but can still beat most.
Danny williams is someone that needs to retire.
Oquendo gave chagaev fits last time out in a title fight.
Re: 6 Heavyweight that need to retire.
Posted: 12 Jun 2015, 03:26
by crusader
I don't agree with Meehan needing to retire.
Aside from not slurring his words or showing other pronounced signs of being punchy like some of the others mentioned, he looked fine in winning both the Super 8 (he made around $215k) and his bout with Cameron (around $100k), and he has what I consider a realistic chance of landing a big domestic fight with Parker. He's not taking loads of punishment, he's winning, he's making solid money by most standards, and he seems to have a good chance of earning well in the future, so I don't think he should be on this list yet.