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I think most people have Danny Garcia in their top 10 but look at his resume he has 3 good wins maximum, Khan - who as juji admitted is inconsistent and has only 1 good win himself (Maidana), Matthysse - Good win, then there is the debatable win against Herrera. If Danny was a flyweight with similar victories he wouldn't be in anyone's top 10 and not even close. Fact is that the lower you go the harder it is to get in the P4P list.

Boxing Prospect wrote: Aside from that European title bout Casey had never been in a bout scheduled for more than 8 rounds. He was inexperienced, unproven and boasted little to really make him a comparable opponent to Hirales, or even Vargas for that matter. Both of whom had mixed at world level, had plenty of experience and numerous 12 rounders under their belt.

I agree Casey was bleh but I just don't think "mixing it up at world level" means that much, particularly at 105/108 where the pool is shallow. Casey TKO'd Hyland to get the EBU belt, Hirales won very thin decisions over Casimero and Vargas to get the "interim" WBA belt. I'm just not seeing much of a difference there.

jujigatame wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
Just because a boxer has several losses doesn't mean he is inconsistent. Look at Takayama's losses. All but the loss to Gonzalez were away (including the bouts in Tokyo, as Takayama is based in Osaka).

Takayama is incredibly consistent. Not a step below Niida either.

Well he lost to Niida so I'd say he was at least a small step below him. I also don't see how saying a fight was "away" makes it disappear. Right before he beat Rodriguez in maybe the biggest win of his career, he lost to a complete nobody in the Phillipines. Now, I know that fight is considered dubious and there was a suspect point deduction, but that is the kind of opponent a top class fighter should be blowing out. I don't see how you can call him consistent when his career has had so many highs and lows.

My mistake -- not to detract from Gonzalez' excellence, but that fight was also "away" for Takayama, as Gonzalez' promoter was the co-promoter of that event.

The "away" factor doesn't make the result "disappear." But you might consider how difficult it is to win a world title on the road and against the "house" fighter. Did Niida ever do that? Case in point, the Handig fight in the Philippines. The two Filipino judges scored for Handig by one point, and the Thai judge had Takayama winning by three points (keep in mind the point deduction by the referee, a resident of the Philippines, in round six).

Boxing Prospect's point about Takayama being "just a kid" when he fought Niida is a good one, and applies to the Eagle Kyowa fight as well.

I guess it depends what you mean by "inconsistent." If you define that simply according to win-loss results, I can see your point. But I am thinking of it more in terms of performance, and from what I've seen since I first saw him fight on July 22, 2001, Takayama's performances in the ring have been pretty darn consistent.