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Freedom2013 wrote:- When Kell Brook won the title from Shawn Porter, he didn't have a crooked ref protecting him from inside fighting and allowing him to clamp his opponent's arm

- Brook didn't demand Porter wear gloves with extra padding

- Brook was fighting IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY in his opponent's home country, something Floyd has NEVER had the courage to do

- Brook never pretended to be bitten when he wanted a rest or time to recover

- Brook never pretended to be pushed down to get the ref to deduct a point

- Brook doesn't beat up women (as far as I know)

LOL Behave

SNG wrote:

beatdown337 wrote:If you don't like Floyd, don't watch. Saying porter is a better win than maidana is silly.

Porter was a better scalp than Maidana.

How is that even a discussion when a few fights ago porter's name wasn't even in the top conversation as he was engaging in a draw with diaz. Maidana has been in MUCH bigger fights with MUCH bigger names. Porter beat alexander and paulie. Neither one of those guys are top contenders.

Freedom2013 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That doesn't tell the whole story. Maidana is a much better fighter now than when he fought those guys.

Actually, last night he looked less relentless and more easily fatigued than he was in his prime.

Interestingly, Porter dominated Alexander and Alexander defeated Maidana.

They are similar, but Porter is in his prime, while Maidana is a bit faded and shopworn.

Its funny how you say maidana was dominated by alexander, but did you actually watch the fight? Because if you did, what you will find is that alexander held maidana FAR more than what Floyd did. Still feel the same way?

beatdown337 wrote:

SNG wrote:

beatdown337 wrote:If you don't like Floyd, don't watch. Saying porter is a better win than maidana is silly.

Porter was a better scalp than Maidana.

How is that even a discussion when a few fights ago porter's name wasn't even in the top conversation as he was engaging in a draw with diaz. Maidana has been in MUCH bigger fights with MUCH bigger names. Porter beat alexander and paulie. Neither one of those guys are top contenders.

And who has Maidana beat at the top level at WW? He gets way too much credit for beating Broner, an overblown LWW. Also, Porter comfortably beat a guy who beat Maidana comfortably in both their first fights at the weight, add to that being beaten by Khan and Kotelnik at LWW and he simply doesn't have a good record against top guys in any weight let alone WW.

beatdown337 wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That doesn't tell the whole story. Maidana is a much better fighter now than when he fought those guys.

Actually, last night he looked less relentless and more easily fatigued than he was in his prime.

Interestingly, Porter dominated Alexander and Alexander defeated Maidana.

They are similar, but Porter is in his prime, while Maidana is a bit faded and shopworn.

Its funny how you say maidana was dominated by alexander, but did you actually watch the fight? Because if you did, what you will find is that alexander held maidana FAR more than what Floyd did. Still feel the same way?

No! You're right, I change my mind. I'll just completely ignore the fact that Devon won almost every round of the fight at a canter.

- When Floyd Mayweather won the title from Genaro Hernandez, he didn't have a crooked ref protecting him from inside fighting and allowing him to clamp his opponent's arm

- Floyd didn't demand Hernandez wear gloves with extra padding

- Floyd hadn't pretended to be bitten when he wanted a rest or time to recover

- Floyd hadn't pretended to be pushed down to get the ref to deduct a point

- Floyd hadn't beaten up women (as far as I know)

Interestingly, Porter dominated Alexander and Alexander defeated Maidana.

They are similar, but Porter is in his prime, while Maidana is a bit faded and shopworn.[/quote]

Its funny how you say maidana was dominated by alexander, but did you actually watch the fight? Because if you did, what you will find is that alexander held maidana FAR more than what Floyd did. Still feel the same way?[/quote]

No! You're right, I change my mind. I'll just completely ignore the fact that Devon won almost every round of the fight at a canter.[/quote]

If you notice, you weren't quoted in that post. Which would mean that my comment wasn't directed at you.

beatdown337 wrote: If you notice, you weren't quoted in that post. Which would mean that my comment wasn't directed at you.

Oh no.

How is that even a discussion when a few fights ago porter's name wasn't even in the top conversation as he was engaging in a draw with diaz. Maidana has been in MUCH bigger fights with MUCH bigger names. Porter beat alexander and paulie. Neither one of those guys are top contenders.[/quote]

And who has Maidana beat at the top level at WW? He gets way too much credit for beating Broner, an overblown LWW. Also, Porter comfortably beat a guy who beat Maidana comfortably in both their first fights at the weight, add to that being beaten by Khan and Kotelnik at LWW and he simply doesn't have a good record against top guys in any weight let alone WW.[/quote]

Porter hasn't fought anyone. Alexander is a fringe contender at best. Who has be beaten? Why should porter get any credit for that? paulie is finished. And for what its worth lets not forget, wait for it..... BRONER JUMPED 2 CLASSES TO BEAT PAULIE. Who is the same "blown up lww that maidana beat. Do you see the circle we're going in here?

Alexander is a fringe contender at best. Who has be beaten?

Maidana

crusader wrote:

Alexander is a fringe contender at best. Who has be beaten?

Maidana

In maidana's first fight at 147. For anyone who truly pays attention its simple to see that he is much better as a boxer than he was then.

And Randall Bailey who sparked Mike Jones. And Lucas Mattyhsse (SP?), also he beat Andriy Kotelnik who in turn also beat Maidana.

It was also Alexander's first fight at WW.

SNG wrote:And Randall Bailey who sparked Mike Jones. And Lucas Mattyhsse (SP?), also he beat Andriy Kotelnik who in turn also beat Maidana.

It was also Alexander's first fight at WW.

Randall bailey also lost to ishe smith. What more needs to be said about that. So we're looking at lucas and kotelnik. 2 decent wins. that doesn't mean a whole lot. All im saying is maidana has been around a lot longer and been in the ring with more quality fighters than porter. And for the record marcos fought his way up the ranks and no one can say he didn't deserve this opportunity.

I will say this and being an amateur boxer I see things differently than others so everyone is entitled to their opinion. Until shawn porter learns how to better judge distance, he will never be a top contender. He struggles mightily to win a decision because its too hard for him to score and land cleanly in the eyes of the judges because he's always rushing in and smothering himself. Him scoring a draw with diaz was not a coincidence. The fact that he lost to kell just highlights that.

What wins does Maidana have that are better than Porter's win against Alexander?

Impractical Poster wrote:- When Floyd Mayweather won the title from Genaro Hernandez, he didn't have a crooked ref protecting him from inside fighting and allowing him to clamp his opponent's arm

- Floyd didn't demand Hernandez wear gloves with extra padding

- Floyd hadn't pretended to be bitten when he wanted a rest or time to recover

- Floyd hadn't pretended to be pushed down to get the ref to deduct a point

- Floyd hadn't beaten up women (as far as I know)

Hernandez was past his prime, and had already been beaten by Oscar. It was the last fight of the faded veteran.

Porter is an aggressive young fighter and was undefeated.

Freedom2013 wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Why only mention Brook? Why not say every boxer in the entire universe from the beginning of time deserves more respect?

Almost true...

Only a very few like James Butler were worse slimebags than Floyd.

I rest my case, or in this case, yours.

When Brooks list of wins starts looking like Matweathers laundry list please repost lol

This has to be one of the weirdest posts ever. Are you really writing the Kell Brook who has fought very few decent contenders even deserves more respect than an all time great?! Come on it ain't April Fools is it? Why Kell Brook?

beatdown337 wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That doesn't tell the whole story. Maidana is a much better fighter now than when he fought those guys.

Actually, last night he looked less relentless and more easily fatigued than he was in his prime.

Interestingly, Porter dominated Alexander and Alexander defeated Maidana.

They are similar, but Porter is in his prime, while Maidana is a bit faded and shopworn.

Its funny how you say maidana was dominated by alexander, but did you actually watch the fight? Because if you did, what you will find is that alexander held maidana FAR more than what Floyd did. Still feel the same way?

He didn't say Maidana was dominated by Alexander...

Interestingly, Porter dominated Alexander and Alexander defeated Maidana.

They are similar, but Porter is in his prime, while Maidana is a bit faded and shopworn.[/quote]

Its funny how you say maidana was dominated by alexander, but did you actually watch the fight? Because if you did, what you will find is that alexander held maidana FAR more than what Floyd did. Still feel the same way?[/quote]

He didn't say Maidana was dominated by Alexander...[/quote]

In my opinion, Maidana is in his prime now. Baby Face is right - Maidana is a much different fighter now than then. When he fought Alexander he was ready to quit, and had no motivation. Not to take away from Alexander's win, but it is what it is. Maidana had to drain some to get to 140 too, so that also was a factor. I think Maidana is a tough fight for most welters right now. I think Khan would retire before re-matching Maidana again, and I would also favor Maidana if he fought Alexander again too.

Hell with Floyd and Kell. Let's just get Maidana fight Porter and see. Should be a great fight.

Sammy Vasquez would destroy this Kelly Brock.
Don't agree?
Then make the fight and watch your boy get put to sleep.
I'll bring the tea and crumpets chap!

Freedom2013 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:- When Floyd Mayweather won the title from Genaro Hernandez, he didn't have a crooked ref protecting him from inside fighting and allowing him to clamp his opponent's arm

- Floyd didn't demand Hernandez wear gloves with extra padding

- Floyd hadn't pretended to be bitten when he wanted a rest or time to recover

- Floyd hadn't pretended to be pushed down to get the ref to deduct a point

- Floyd hadn't beaten up women (as far as I know)

Hernandez was past his prime, and had already been beaten by Oscar. It was the last fight of the faded veteran.

Porter is an aggressive young fighter and was undefeated.

My point is... it's still early for Kell. You are making observations of each at different points in their career. And as much as I despise Floyd, it's not fair.

Wlad deserves more credit for his victory over Haye than Max Smelling did for beating Hans Joachim Draegestein

...because he is English and consequently has won first place in the lottery of life.