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IKSRTFO wrote: I don't think Floyd would've beaten the Terry Norris that beat Leonard neither.

I didn't hear you guys giving Teddy poo when he was riding Floyd nuts for the last few years. This probably the only time he said anything remotely against Floyd.

I dog Teddy all the time where you been. Hes like the best drama queen who based on his appearance seems like the least likely person to be a drama queen.

Bout the only commentator who I love & never diss is Al Bernstein. Hope Al lives to 120. Boxing commentating will suck a whole lot more when hes gone.

Anyone who think Floyd is truly the TBE, yeah they have him overrated. Anyone who thinks Floyd is the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing are simply haters. People tend to forget that Floyd is 37 years old, not many fighters are still at the top of the sport at 37, most are retired or complete shells of themselves, even the past greats that people rate so much higher than him. But since Floyd couldn't make easy work of a in his prime awkward fighter like Madaina at the age of 37 suddenly he's overrated lol. Floyd also came up from Super-featherweight and isn't a big welterweight by any stretch of the imagination. Haters are gonna hate and Floyd has his fair share of haters.

crusader wrote:It's dat TMT lifestyle bro. Get wit it.

TMT! TBE! 47-0! Hardwerk, eazy werk! Da Mayvinche Code!

Chepppaaa wrote:like teddy atlas said "sugar leonard would have kod floyds last 5 opponents".. thats the stuff atg do with journeymans and young green fighters like canelo

Yeah and SRLs own brother said that SRL wouldn't have beaten Floyd Jr.. You probably shit on Atlas all the time and since he said SRL would beat him you cling onto it like like a littler girl with her favorite Barbi and pink Corvette.

cold187 wrote:if anyone else beat alvarez, maidana, ortiz, mosely, cotto people will be saying how good they are

Wins over Maidana and Ortiz are solid. I mean, Josesito Lopez has a win over Ortiz, and Amir Khan has a win over Maidana, but they are still solid wins. But if some other fighter besides Mayweather beat Maidana and Ortiz, and then someone claimed that fighter was the greatest of all time, then that person would be the biggest idiot of all time. Austin Trout beat Miguel Cotto, but a person would have to be unbelievably stupid to rank Austin Trout in the company of SRL, SRR, Duran, etc.. In the perspective of ranking the accomplishments of all-time great fighters, these types of scalps aren't even a blip on the radar. SRL beat Duran, Hagler, Hearns, and Benitez. SRR beat Carmen Basilio, Gene Fullmer, Kid Gavilan, and Jake LaMotta; not to mention Bobo Olson, Rocky Castellani, Rocky Graziano, Randy Turpin, etc..

So anyways, the point is that wins over fighters like Victor Ortiz and Marcos Maidana are good enough to get a fighter in the divisional top 10 among active fighters. That isn't the type of hype that Mayweather is getting. I'd say about 10-15% of boxing fans think he's #1 p4p of all-time, and about 35% of boxing fans have him in the top 10 of all-time. That's different from "Oh, he beat Ortiz, he's good. Somewhere in the divisional top 10 among active fighters for sure."

Different day, same shit.

The one thing Floyd craves , and will never get is the legacy and public knoledge of being the best ever . Now is haters and opponents , will always cry that he ALWAYS had the unfair advantage , of Vegas , his own ref and judges who did seem and still do seem to help when its needed . His opponents land a 50-50 shot on the belt , point deduction ,, they cut him down and go to work , he holds and its break there not allowed to work . He follows through with the elbow , or rubs the laces on the face , its ok Floyd carry on were only looking for your opponent fouling not you

He picks his opponents based on the big names and will not fight them til they are at the end , But all these things can be forgiven , put down to good management sour grapes and a million other things .

But the one thing that will forever spoil his legacy , is the fact that , at the same time he was coming through the weight divisions and winning , there was another fighter doing the same , . These to guys were always on a collision course , and Floyd did'nt want it , , wait till it gets bigger , Ok it made sence , but the closer it got the more the public wanted to see it , the more obstacles Floyd put in the way ,

The more the obstacles and demands were met , and agreed to , the more he came up with , these to guys had similar opponents with the phillipino boxer looking better against the same opponents , .

Facts are it never happenned , the argument over money , drug testing , how and when the testing was taking place ect ect , all seemed to be conjured up by Floyd

The unfortunate thing is i can see this fight taking place , because Floyd has aged better than Manny , and inside 2 years or so will concede to the fight and probably win , because he's done what he always done, wait and duck anyone and everyone in there prime .

I for one hope that Manny when approached in a year or two tells Floyd to fack off i'm retired your 5 years to late , and therefore always leaving that , But he ducked Manny flavor on his legacy .

Oh by the way did he make Maidena do drug tests , before , during and after the fight .

coneye wrote:The one thing Floyd craves , and will never get is the legacy and public knoledge of being the best ever . Now is haters and opponents , will always cry that he ALWAYS had the unfair advantage , of Vegas , his own ref and judges who did seem and still do seem to help when its needed . His opponents land a 50-50 shot on the belt , point deduction ,, they cut him down and go to work , he holds and its break there not allowed to work . He follows through with the elbow , or rubs the laces on the face , its ok Floyd carry on were only looking for your opponent fouling not you

He picks his opponents based on the big names and will not fight them til they are at the end , But all these things can be forgiven , put down to good management sour grapes and a million other things .

But the one thing that will forever spoil his legacy , is the fact that , at the same time he was coming through the weight divisions and winning , there was another fighter doing the same , . These to guys were always on a collision course , and Floyd did'nt want it , , wait till it gets bigger , Ok it made sence , but the closer it got the more the public wanted to see it , the more obstacles Floyd put in the way ,

The more the obstacles and demands were met , and agreed to , the more he came up with , these to guys had similar opponents with the phillipino boxer looking better against the same opponents , .

Facts are it never happenned , the argument over money , drug testing , how and when the testing was taking place ect ect , all seemed to be conjured up by Floyd

The unfortunate thing is i can see this fight taking place , because Floyd has aged better than Manny , and inside 2 years or so will concede to the fight and probably win , because he's done what he always done, wait and duck anyone and everyone in there prime .

I for one hope that Manny when approached in a year or two tells Floyd to fack off i'm retired your 5 years to late , and therefore always leaving that , But he ducked Manny flavor on his legacy .

Oh by the way did he make Maidena do drug tests , before , during and after the fight .

Excellent question!

Chepppaaa wrote:like teddy atlas said "sugar leonard would have kod floyds last 5 opponents".. thats the stuff atg do with journeymans and young green fighters like canelo

Any great fighter would have KO'd his last 5 opponents. Leonard, Chavez, Trinidad, and many others. For gods sake, even decent fighters like Simon Brown would have KO'd this list.

cold187 wrote:if a excellent fighter comes in 100 years times are we still gonna compare them to hearns hagler and the "golden era", when none of us were around!!!

Some of us were.

The sh1te in this forum is truly asotnishing (not your post btw) but jeez reading some of the stuff from some of these cretins is laughable.

Luckybattles wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:like teddy atlas said "sugar leonard would have kod floyds last 5 opponents".. thats the stuff atg do with journeymans and young green fighters like canelo

Any great fighter would have KO'd his last 5 opponents. Leonard, Chavez, Trinidad, and many others. For gods sake, even decent fighters like Simon Brown would have KO'd this list.

Floyd would clown Trinidad and beat Chavez. He's accomplished far more than either of them.

Of the current fighters out there who are high profile he is someone that I can't get excited about watching him, then I can about say Carl Froch and Wladimir Klitschko for example. I think Mayweather is a great fighter but The Best Ever, sorry don't buy that one. I personally rate Bernard Hopkins over Mayweather TBH.

Wlad excites you? Yikes.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:like teddy atlas said "sugar leonard would have kod floyds last 5 opponents".. thats the stuff atg do with journeymans and young green fighters like canelo

Any great fighter would have KO'd his last 5 opponents. Leonard, Chavez, Trinidad, and many others. For gods sake, even decent fighters like Simon Brown would have KO'd this list.

Floyd would clown Trinidad and beat Chavez. He's accomplished far more than either of them.

He would....but both Trinidad and Chavez can say they each fought their one rival that everyone thought were their equal. Both deserved to lose, yes, but both can say they went after and fought them.

IKSRTFO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:

Any great fighter would have KO'd his last 5 opponents. Leonard, Chavez, Trinidad, and many others. For gods sake, even decent fighters like Simon Brown would have KO'd this list.

Floyd would clown Trinidad and beat Chavez. He's accomplished far more than either of them.

He would....but both Trinidad and Chavez can say they each fought their one rival that everyone thought were their equal. Both deserved to lose, yes, but both can say they went after and fought them.

They both had fights they could have taken and didn't. At least Floyd can say when he got a controversial verdict he did the right thing and gave Castillo a rematch. Tito and JCC? Not so much.

You guys are comical. Ask yourself this, if FM left boxing what would happen? Really think about it.... How many of you hate him but still buy the PPV fights hoping he gets beat? Right there, he has already won (your money of course). If any of you were in his shoes, you would being doing the same thing. I don't agree of what he does in his personal life, but it is his life. The Majority of the fighters that he has fought were big named fighters, and the purses prooved that. The guy has a special skill set, and he is using it to his advantage. I want him to fight the Pac Man just as much as anyone else, but even after getting knocked out by MM (who Floyd crushed), yall still act like he would be so dominate over Floyd. Please don't let your hatred cloud your judgements.....

I find his relationship with Justin Bieber more bizarre and silly than anyone overrating him for whatever reason.

Would Mike Tyson have walked to the ring with the New Kids on the Block or Vanilla Ice?

Say what you will about Kellerman, but I really like the way he explained Floyd's place in history:

"Floyd ranks with Pernell Whitaker and Willie Pep as one of the three best pure boxers since the second World War. You know, people say, 'Oh, he's the greatest fighter of all-time.' You just don't know about Sugar Ray Robinson or you wouldn't say something that ignorant."

Source

Terms like "pure boxing" are utter bullshit. About as bad as UFC's "just bleed" fans.

How is Mayweather the most overrated fighter of all-time?

OK, he might not be the best ever (that's subjective of course), but he is a great, great fighter, whatever happens to him from here on in.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Many more people trash him than worship him. As far as the 'diehard' fans and media goes he's underrated by more. Anybody that rates him from 20-50 all time has it right.

This.

I bet Floyd has more fans in the audience wanting to see him lose than anyone since Muhammad Ali.

Their "anti-fans" definitely helped them make money. They loved the phrase about paying to see them lose, as long as they paid to see them. Even on this forum more posts about Floyd from his haters than anyone else. They are his biggest fans.

... so knockouts are a sign of greatness?

I think Mayweather has a legitimate right to be in any conversation about all-time great fighters.

And he certainly is the best of his era.

But, when you start talking about SRL, Duran, Hearns, Benitez...I don't think there is anyway he fights during that era and stays undefeated.

Luckybattles wrote:Cant believe how people are so heavily influenced by the hype. This guy fights an opponent who was on the verge of journeyman status a couple years ago. a blown up lightweight with a lot of heart and a penchant for putting up exciting battles with little in regards for defense. For any great fighter, this would be a showcase fight. a dream come true. Instead we witness one of the most boring fights in recent memory. Or at least one of the most boring fights since FMJ was last in the ring. All the holding, running, and time wasting was repugnant. Don't get me wrong, I would be truly impressed with this performance against GGG or Andre Ward but Maidana? Cant even imagine this guy being in the top 20 All time greats. Now they will want to make 100 million off pacman. Eff this. Are people that stupid to pay for it. I guess so

So by your own illogical and flawed analogy that should Manny Pacquiao win that he deserves no credit for beating The Most Overrated Fighter Of All Time.



Also by your analogy that JMM lost to the most overrated fighter of all time and was still able to KO Manny!! Let's not forget that the most overrated fighter of all time beat all of the following before Manny; Oscar, Mosley, JMM, Hatton and even though it was after, he still beat Cotto too.

So I guess the most overrated guy in boxing of all time will leave zero credit for Manny and there's no way that Pacquiao can say he's any better than the next guy just for beating Mayweather.
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HE'S A ALL TIME GREAT NO WAY NEAR THE MOST OVER-RATED BUT I STILL THINK PACMAN CAN BEAT HIM.