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Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 26 Sep 2014, 16:19
by lefty
Yeah but what if our own mr Nelson had trained Floyd Mayweather jnr?
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 26 Sep 2014, 16:26
by Pugilist-specialist
palooka wrote:
The Ingles do a fantastic job and the gym style doesn't suit everyone though if Hatton had spent 12 months there he would have certainly had a few more skills in his arsenal.
Imagine trying to come up with 365 different excuses for not sparring Junior Witter. Terry Dooley would have needed help from Roald Dahl, Enid Blyton and Hans Christian Andersen.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 26 Sep 2014, 16:31
by lefty
What if Hayley had never met Roy Cropper? What if Ken had never met Deidre? Ponder these thoughts.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 26 Sep 2014, 16:36
by handsofstone
I remember the shambles before Hatton's fight with Pacquiao regarding Floyd Sr,Ricky should have took control of the situation before the fight and threw Mayweather Sr to fvck instead of trying to ignore it
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 27 Sep 2014, 07:46
by palooka
If he had gone to Wincobank he wouldn't have been forced to box in that style and doing different things in training and looking out for and concentrating on other things would have improved his overall game, maybe?
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 27 Sep 2014, 10:49
by veriton
Terry Dooley wrote:Tomasino wrote:mickey1975 wrote:I thought his footwork and angles were superb and Billy was an established, excellent trainer.
His training was shown up as being shite for the top level though. Ricky's footwork and angles were good vs domestic and WBS level fight but not as he stepped up. It's no secret he regressed after Tszyu but it prob started well before that. Him and Billy were drinking buddies don't think it did his career any good however he obviously had a great run and some good wins despite all of that.
They actually weren't "drinking buddies" at that point. I was there post-Kostya,a lot. They socialised separately. Tszyu was top, top level and it was close combat angles that beat him.
I had a top boxing brain back then, but Billy elevated my understanding of pressure fighters and to say Ricky didn't progress as he stepped up is pure nonsense. He had the style to trouble Kostya, but angles beat KT.
Ricky's main mistake was replacing Billy with the pure opposite in Mayweather Senior. That was a huge mistake and did for him. As I said on here at the time, and was Pariah'd for it.
You could copy this to the, quite frankly ludicrous, Ricky/Ingle thread. Ricky and Billy were a dream match. My only concession would be that, in the end, Billy needed a pad man, but you're in a pit of snakes so who do you trust?
Billy Graham possess the best boxing brain I've come across, and I've spoken to a fair few astute people.
Billy used to do his physical sessions, then the fighters would do scenario based movements. They'd talk through different in-ring possibilities. Graham's former fighters still talk about that side of training. It's a lost art. Steward did it with Lewis.
I've spent hours conversating with experts, if I was about to die, I'd request 10 mins boxing talk with Graham.
That's not just me, either, all of my biggest interviews have stemmed from the fact I've worked with Graham.
He's a fooking nutter, but he's our nutter.
this is laughable. you should try speaking to freddie roach and take a bit less gravy on your chips
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 16:27
by los2
Terry Dooley wrote:Tomasino wrote:mickey1975 wrote:I thought his footwork and angles were superb and Billy was an established, excellent trainer.
His training was shown up as being shite for the top level though. Ricky's footwork and angles were good vs domestic and WBS level fight but not as he stepped up. It's no secret he regressed after Tszyu but it prob started well before that. Him and Billy were drinking buddies don't think it did his career any good however he obviously had a great run and some good wins despite all of that.
They actually weren't "drinking buddies" at that point. I was there post-Kostya,a lot. They socialised separately. Tszyu was top, top level and it was close combat angles that beat him.
I had a top boxing brain back then, but Billy elevated my understanding of pressure fighters and to say Ricky didn't progress as he stepped up is pure nonsense. He had the style to trouble Kostya, but angles beat KT.
Ricky's main mistake was replacing Billy with the pure opposite in Mayweather Senior. That was a huge mistake and did for him. As I said on here at the time, and was Pariah'd for it.
You could copy this to the, quite frankly ludicrous, Ricky/Ingle thread. Ricky and Billy were a dream match. My only concession would be that, in the end, Billy needed a pad man, but you're in a pit of snakes so who do you trust?
Billy Graham possess the best boxing brain I've come across, and I've spoken to a fair few astute people.
Billy used to do his physical sessions, then the fighters would do scenario based movements. They'd talk through different in-ring possibilities. Graham's former fighters still talk about that side of training. It's a lost art. Steward did it with Lewis.
I've spent hours conversating with experts, if I was about to die, I'd request 10 mins boxing talk with Graham.
That's not just me, either, all of my biggest interviews have stemmed from the fact I've worked with Graham.
He's a fooking nutter, but he's our nutter.
paul smith trained with graham when he turned pro.....he says he wished hed have gone with gallagher...
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 08:01
by Sklar
if Hatton had gone to the Ingles it would've been like putting tits on a fish.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 08:26
by Tomasino
Sklar wrote:if Hatton had gone to the Ingles it would've been like putting tits on a fish.
What's wrong with that?
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 08:37
by Wrists
The Ingle's clearly have had success and continue to do so and are a a very very good team.
Hatton wouldn't have worked with them and vice versa, the styles wouldn't have meshed, nothing wrong with that sometimes it is what it is.
Billy Graham was absolutely the right trainer for Hatton and he doesn't get the credit he deserves, his corner work in the Tszyu fight was right up there.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 09:36
by manno
Don't think ricky would have took to the body sparring and 'lines'(no pun intended). It would have been the polar opposite of when Herol left Brendan and Oscar checa trained him for his 1st loss vs kalambay, told Herol he needed to be more aggressive
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 09:53
by Anzi
Though the Ingles have been very successful, the style might not have suited Ricky Hatton, it's like saying Ali would have been better if he gone with Fraser's trainer Eddie Futch, Hatton was a one off, he tried Mayweather sr, known for defence, he got knocked out, it did not work, Hatton developed his aggressive style from the streets of Manchester, Graham knew him better then anyone and knew how to get the best out of him.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 17:42
by Clint Magnum
Billy is a great trainer and has forgotten more about boxing than most on this forum.
However sticking to the point of the post, I think Hatton & Ingles are like oil and water.
A dream match up for Hatton's style would have been Cus D'Amato. (obviously if Cus was alive at the time!). His style of slipping the jab, weaving, rolling laterally cutting the ring would have been perfect to take Hatton's style to the next level.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 03:27
by mickey1975
Clint Magnum wrote:Billy is a great trainer and has forgotten more about boxing than most on this forum.
However sticking to the point of the post, I think Hatton & Ingles are like oil and water.
A dream match up for Hatton's style would have been Cus D'Amato. (obviously if Cus was alive at the time!). His style of slipping the jab, weaving, rolling laterally cutting the ring would have been perfect to take Hatton's style to the next level.
There was no next level for Rick. Billy got the maximum out of him and he got to the number one in the division.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 03:56
by coneye
mickey1975 wrote:Clint Magnum wrote:Billy is a great trainer and has forgotten more about boxing than most on this forum.
However sticking to the point of the post, I think Hatton & Ingles are like oil and water.
A dream match up for Hatton's style would have been Cus D'Amato. (obviously if Cus was alive at the time!). His style of slipping the jab, weaving, rolling laterally cutting the ring would have been perfect to take Hatton's style to the next level.
There was no next level for Rick. Billy got the maximum out of him and he got to the number one in the division.
Absolutly , 100% CORRECT
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 15:03
by palooka
Tomasino wrote:Sklar wrote:if Hatton had gone to the Ingles it would've been like putting tits on a fish.
What's wrong with that?
amen
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 02 Oct 2014, 10:11
by Clint Magnum
mickey1975 wrote:Clint Magnum wrote:Billy is a great trainer and has forgotten more about boxing than most on this forum.
However sticking to the point of the post, I think Hatton & Ingles are like oil and water.
A dream match up for Hatton's style would have been Cus D'Amato. (obviously if Cus was alive at the time!). His style of slipping the jab, weaving, rolling laterally cutting the ring would have been perfect to take Hatton's style to the next level.
There was no next level for Rick. Billy got the maximum out of him and he got to the number one in the division.
Had Ricky beaten Floyd he would have gone on to PfP elite level. I personally thought he stopped slipping under jabs with the correct timing of counters consistently enough at the highest level and relied a little too much on his toughness after Tzyu. His head movement and body rolls/slips were at times almost perfect, but with any trainer Ricky would have had a mountain to climb to beat Floyd.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 02 Oct 2014, 16:32
by Furey
Hatton being trained by the Ingles?! No, no, no.....
That wouldn't have worked in a million years.
Hatton had very good foot work, but could you imagine him going into the Wincobank every day doing the 'lines' (no pun intended by the way!!).
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 04 Oct 2014, 09:14
by Crease
stevieb_8006 wrote:Awful mix imo. Just awful.
Agreed the Ingles style would have been awful for Ricky's preferred style. They are just not compatible.
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 04 Oct 2014, 09:48
by Teddy's Toupee
palooka wrote:Tomasino wrote:Sklar wrote:if Hatton had gone to the Ingles it would've been like putting tits on a fish.
What's wrong with that?
amen
Will there ever be a Fish 'n' Tits shop opened in our lifetimes?
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 04 Oct 2014, 10:35
by hurlock
Worse defence?? Leapt in with uppercuts other then hooks?
Hatton had a great & very successfull career & I don't think it could of been any better!!
Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 06 Oct 2014, 18:48
by Tomasino
Teddy's Toupee wrote:palooka wrote:Tomasino wrote:]if Hatton had gone to the Ingles it would've been like putting tits on a fish.
What's wrong with that?
amen
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Re: IF RICKY HATTON HAD BEEN TRAINED BY THE INGLES...?
Posted: 07 Oct 2014, 01:57
by coneye
Well no doubt , if they trained him from a kid , he would off had a better defence ,, better footwork , but i doubt he would of been has succseful has he was .. .
Ricky leapt in and applied pressure , where Ingles fighters , are still thinking about it