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King says there is "no deal yet" and the scheduled purse bid, set for October 1, is going to proceed unless the two sides come to terms in the next two days.

http://www.BS.com/?m=show&opt= ... e&id=82630

I was surprised when they said there was an agreement so this makes more sense to me. Maybe an interesting purse bid to see how it pans out.

Maybe Jay Z will even try to throw himself into the mix here too. Deontay could be a easy guy to hype with his, up til now, perfect record to the mainstream/casual fans.

I think the outcome of this one is fairly easy to predict IMO.

I don't consider Wilder to be any better than David Price - and in fact the two of them are very similar, in age & power. Price is a couple of inches taller and has the considerably better amateur career.

Both of them have feeble chins, going down multiple times in the amateurs with headgear and big gloves on and both have been floored in the pros. Price by Thompson (a top 10 fighter) and Wilder by Sconiers (a top 300 fighter).

If you watch this amateur footage of how easily Stiverne dismantled and stopped the taller and more well schooled Price, I would say the signs are quite ominous for Wilder in this match up.

Here it is: http://youtu.be/GHelbbjaB3k

I expect Wilder to be brutally stopped within 3 one sided rounds.

In all likelihood it could be as quick and career ending as Arreola vs Mitchell.

Wilder is a massive underdog IMO.

This has the makings of a very interesting fight. Will answer a lot of questions.

tiny_acres wrote:As I have said in a previous post.Stiverne has done nothing since beating Arreola.
He has been on a wild world wide party spree.I think Stiverne will not be prepared

Wilder going a few light rounds with Gavern doesn't prepare him for crap. Stiverne will get better preparation than that from sparring in the gym.

I predict Stiverne to stop Wilder within 5 rounds. It's easy to see how this will go . .Wilder will stun him with a punch . .come in with his wild-a$$ swings, and then get caught with Bermane's much shorter and sharper counters, getting starched.

One wild card is Bermane's conditioning. He has a tendency to come in heavy, and I'm sure being champ and the layoff aren't helping. If he's fat and Wilder manages to last longer then expected, Wilder then becomes the big favorite.

I'd be amazed if this fight happens this year or happens at all.

Why should it with Stiverne being a world famous fantastic champion?

dempseyfire wrote:I predict Stiverne to stop Wilder within 5 rounds. It's easy to see how this will go . .Wilder will stun him with a punch . .come in with his wild-a$$ swings, and then get caught with Bermane's much shorter and sharper counters, getting starched.

I predict Wilder will KO Stiverne within 5 rounds (likely within 3 rounds).

They'll delay it as long as possible, but sooner or later Don King/Stiverne need to sign for the fight, then we'll see what happens.

To me, this fight will be.... a pro versus an incomplete pro...

Wilder will look awesome for a while, just like Arreola did... and he will face the same fate...

6-7 rounds tops

I doubt its the fact that their scared. its more likely they're holding out for more favourable terms. Don king may not be the best boxing promoter anymore but he'll know how to get an advantage before anything is agreed.

wilder should walk through this title fight KO before the middle rounds if he has it his way.

funso banjo baby wrote:on paper this is like a sub Patterson v Rademacher

Stiverne's no Patterson.
And while the opposition has been less than great, Wilder does have 30+ bouts under his belt. At least he has an inkling of what the pro game is about. Rademacher had none.

Andy idea what happened to the purse bids today???

I heard through the grapevine that they've been cancelled again!!!

Turning into a bit of a joke this!

Excluding Arreola and Austin Stiverne's record is quite comparable to Wilder's.
They both have a ton of scrubs on their resumes.

tiny_acres wrote:Excluding Arreola and Austin Stiverne's record is quite comparable to Wilder's.
They both have a ton of scrubs on their resumes.

It's true, it's true.

Take away Arreola and not much separates Stiverne's log from Wilder's.
Austin is kind of an up and down fighter. Not sure he's head and shoulders above Malik Scott.
No reason to suspect that the Bronze Bomber is in over his head fighting a dreaded "champion" like Stiverne.

Worlds most protected boxer vs. worlds biggest conman. No wonder fight is not happening.

I love that there are guys on both sides of this saying it'll be a massacre

I'm rooting for Deontay cuz him winning makes sh!t more interesting, but I can't quite pick Bermane although I'm not picking Deontay yet either. If you held a gun to my head today I might end up murdered. Should be interesting regardless.

SenorPipino wrote:

funso banjo baby wrote:on paper this is like a sub Patterson v Rademacher

Stiverne's no Patterson.
And while the opposition has been less than great, Wilder does have 30+ bouts under his belt. At least he has an inkling of what the pro game is about. Rademacher had none.

30 + fights and still has yet to go 5 rounds. Pretty paltry experience, and yes that's because his team have put him in with cracked china

SenorPipino wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:Excluding Arreola and Austin Stiverne's record is quite comparable to Wilder's.
They both have a ton of scrubs on their resumes.

It's true, it's true.

Take away Arreola and not much separates Stiverne's log from Wilder's.
Austin is kind of an up and down fighter. Not sure he's head and shoulders above Malik Scott.
No reason to suspect that the Bronze Bomber is in over his head fighting a dreaded "champion" like Stiverne.

Are you joking? Austin was clearly more accomplished and dangerous than Scott. Wilder's people would have never put him with even a 41 year old 6'6 experienced guy with some power

dempseyfire wrote:Are you joking? Austin was clearly more accomplished and dangerous than Scott. Wilder's people would have never put him with even a 41 year old 6'6 experienced guy with some power

I remember you and verballistic used to ridicule Ibragimov for being knocked down by that same guy Ray Austin when he was just age 35.

Wlad KOed him when Austin was 36, and you guys said he's a bum. But since Stiverne beat him when he was a faded age 41, now he's become "accomplished and dangerous" and an "experienced guy with some power"

tiny_acres wrote:Excluding Arreola and Austin Stiverne's record is quite comparable to Wilder's.
They both have a ton of scrubs on their resumes.

Take away Wilder's three best wins and his resume is comparable with a debutant's. Not to mention that Stiverne beat some real fighters in the amateurs like Robert Helenius and David Price.

Lackeos wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:Excluding Arreola and Austin Stiverne's record is quite comparable to Wilder's.
They both have a ton of scrubs on their resumes.

Take away Wilder's three best wins and his resume is comparable with a debutant's. Not to mention that Stiverne beat some real fighters in the amateurs like Robert Helenius and David Price.

Let's not bring up amateur garbage.Stiverne has 2 live opponents on his resume.Period.
Don't make him out to be a world beater.

that fight is really hard to predict. wilder is just hard to judge. we can see that he has a lot of power and is a good athlete but we don't know what he can take. stiverne has fought a solid puncher in arreola but can he take wilders punches?

another question mark is stivernes fitness. wilder is always in great shape but stiverne tends to get a little fat.

Is this signed or not?

Really hoping this fight gets made. Has the potential to answer many questions.

It looks like Stiverne/King are milking this belt as long as possible. Get the fight done and let the fans enjoy what happens. Both are decent fighters, and neither over-shadow the other as far as being some kind of monster heavy that will threaten Wlad. The result, however, may change all of that.

Lackeos wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:Excluding Arreola and Austin Stiverne's record is quite comparable to Wilder's.
They both have a ton of scrubs on their resumes.

Take away Wilder's three best wins and his resume is comparable with a debutant's. Not to mention that Stiverne beat some real fighters in the amateurs like Robert Helenius and David Price.

Ok, take away Stiverne's best wins as well. Seriously? Do you hate the guy that much? lol (except for the high profile amateur wins that mean so much)

Ray Austin took Stiverne to school for most of the fight, and it was stopped with Austin still ready to fight. I guess Austin was not supposed to win that one.

If Wilder proves to be a top heavy and lives up to the hype, guys like Lackeos will be hanging their head in shame, due to their predictions. Why some people want young up and comer type fighters to fail is beyond me.