Re: Scott Quigg
Posted: 09 Oct 2014, 11:39
Easy to say. Terribly hard to sign.Terry Dooley wrote:http://www.BS.com/hearn-on-qui ... aux--82992
Hearn and Quigg have mentioned the R-Word.
Easy to say. Terribly hard to sign.Terry Dooley wrote:http://www.BS.com/hearn-on-qui ... aux--82992
Hearn and Quigg have mentioned the R-Word.
On his IFL interviews, Hearn constantly talks of getting the best deals for his fighters. Regarding Hennessy's offer, that's a massive purse for him and Quigg to turn down. Quigg would rather face someone ranked a lot lower for a lot less money.Terry Dooley wrote:http://www.BS.com/hearn-on-qui ... aux--82992
Hearn and Quigg have mentioned the R-Word.
Pugilist-specialist wrote:On his IFL interviews, Hearn constantly talks of getting the best deals for his fighters. Regarding Hennessy's offer, that's a massive purse for him and Quigg to turn down. Quigg would rather face someone ranked a lot lower for a lot less money.Terry Dooley wrote:http://www.BS.com/hearn-on-qui ... aux--82992
Hearn and Quigg have mentioned the R-Word.
+1Sklar wrote:If the Galahad offer was a straight-up, no options showdown on 6 Dec 14, in Dubai, for c.£400K, I don't see how, from Quigg's POV, the scheduled encounter with TBA on 22 Nov 14 is reason enough for the fight not to be made.
The IBF haven't updated their ratings in quite a while now but I think after the Periban thing I'v given up on taking any notice of these cryptic clues that get bandied about. I think actually Wake was missing from one of the governing bodies ratings (I couldn't spot anyone who was top 6 or 7 with all of them) but the only other names that seemed high in almost all of them were Hugo Ruiz and Rey Vargas. I don't know what happened to this Agbeko fight as that was actually listed not just by boxrec but by Sky Sports.Naandrew wrote:Listen to Eddie interview
It can only be Shingo Wake based on what he said
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m7qEH_MlPRQ
He's top 10 boxrec and top 10 in all the organisations.
Have the WBO put him back in? There was an angry article on ringnews24 about how Wake was owed an apology for being randomly dropped from the rankingsNaandrew wrote:Listen to Eddie interview
It can only be Shingo Wake based on what he said
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m7qEH_MlPRQ
He's top 10 boxrec and top 10 in all the organisations.
Oh noes, not the dreaded "he has a few losses so can't be that good" thing ;)lefty wrote:Not sure what to make of Wake. Watched a bit of him today on youtube and have watched a bit in the past and not sure exactly how good he is. He's lost 4 times i think. Anyway, he's got pretty fast hands and pretty quick feet and decent mobility and moves around the ring a lot which could cause Quigg headaches but he's also pretty hittable from what ive seen although he tries to box. Not sure if he hits hard enough to trouble Quigg either.
It's quite possible that Quigg blows him away inside 2 or 3 rounds, if Wake's feet aren't quick enough to get him out of range, he's in trouble, because standing in front of Quigg with your hands down isn't clever unless you're Guillermo Rigondeaux. There's also the possibility that Quigg struggles to get to grips with the movement and southpaw stance, but I think he comes through in the end regardless, Wake doesn't look to have the power to put much of a dent into him and Quigg will keep coming forward all night. It may turn out like the Salinas fight, but with Quigg struggling early, rather than holding back for the later rounds. This fight shows the lack of depth in the division, Wake is probably top 10, so he's a decent opponent, especially by Quigg's standards, but looking for other potential opponents, outside the top 5 or 6, super bantamweight is very, very weak, there's a real shortage of credible opponents out there.lefty wrote:Not sure what to make of Wake. Watched a bit of him today on youtube and have watched a bit in the past and not sure exactly how good he is. He's lost 4 times i think. Anyway, he's got pretty fast hands and pretty quick feet and decent mobility and moves around the ring a lot which could cause Quigg headaches but he's also pretty hittable from what ive seen although he tries to box. Not sure if he hits hard enough to trouble Quigg either.
Those are all very solid points as id expect from you mate :) ..... I guess when i was looking at the losses it was also more in the sense of who they had come to. He hasnt really fought the top super-bantamweights in the world but he has 4 losses. I'm all for the japanese system though!Boxing Prospect wrote:Oh noes, not the dreaded "he has a few losses so can't be that good" thing ;)lefty wrote:Not sure what to make of Wake. Watched a bit of him today on youtube and have watched a bit in the past and not sure exactly how good he is. He's lost 4 times i think. Anyway, he's got pretty fast hands and pretty quick feet and decent mobility and moves around the ring a lot which could cause Quigg headaches but he's also pretty hittable from what ive seen although he tries to box. Not sure if he hits hard enough to trouble Quigg either.
Yes, Wake has 4 losses 2 of them were by a POINT one the cards in 4 rounders, 1 came to a guy who beat WV2 (in what was by far the worst performance of Wake's career) and then a narrow loss to 2-time domestic title challenger. His power is developing along with his confidence, wasn't too long ago that he had 5KO's from 18 fights.
Watching him develop you'd notice that early in his career he has a lot of flaws that needed sorting but unlike in Japan they don't protect their prospect for 20 fights before having them in a competitive one. Their Rookie of the Year and B class tournaments are tough to get through but shouldn't see a fighter written off for a few early losses. Their system doesn't punish a loss like ours does, strangely.
Our system doesn't punish losses, the public do. Rightly or wrongly, people like to see undefeated fighters, a defeat can lead to a drop off in ticket sales for a fighter, if they drop below the number needed to get fights at home, they either have to go on the road, or knock it on the head.Boxing Prospect wrote:Oh noes, not the dreaded "he has a few losses so can't be that good" thing ;)lefty wrote:Not sure what to make of Wake. Watched a bit of him today on youtube and have watched a bit in the past and not sure exactly how good he is. He's lost 4 times i think. Anyway, he's got pretty fast hands and pretty quick feet and decent mobility and moves around the ring a lot which could cause Quigg headaches but he's also pretty hittable from what ive seen although he tries to box. Not sure if he hits hard enough to trouble Quigg either.
Yes, Wake has 4 losses 2 of them were by a POINT one the cards in 4 rounders, 1 came to a guy who beat WV2 (in what was by far the worst performance of Wake's career) and then a narrow loss to 2-time domestic title challenger. His power is developing along with his confidence, wasn't too long ago that he had 5KO's from 18 fights.
Watching him develop you'd notice that early in his career he has a lot of flaws that needed sorting but unlike in Japan they don't protect their prospect for 20 fights before having them in a competitive one. Their Rookie of the Year and B class tournaments are tough to get through but shouldn't see a fighter written off for a few early losses. Their system doesn't punish a loss like ours does, strangely.
Shame Martinez couldnt of been brought in but im guessing he needs more time to recover from the frampton fight before he could start a proper camp and have a decent prep to fight Quigg.expe wrote:It's quite possible that Quigg blows him away inside 2 or 3 rounds, if Wake's feet aren't quick enough to get him out of range, he's in trouble, because standing in front of Quigg with your hands down isn't clever unless you're Guillermo Rigondeaux. There's also the possibility that Quigg struggles to get to grips with the movement and southpaw stance, but I think he comes through in the end regardless, Wake doesn't look to have the power to put much of a dent into him and Quigg will keep coming forward all night. It may turn out like the Salinas fight, but with Quigg struggling early, rather than holding back for the later rounds. This fight shows the lack of depth in the division, Wake is probably top 10, so he's a decent opponent, especially by Quigg's standards, but looking for other potential opponents, outside the top 5 or 6, super bantamweight is very, very weak, there's a real shortage of credible opponents out there.lefty wrote:Not sure what to make of Wake. Watched a bit of him today on youtube and have watched a bit in the past and not sure exactly how good he is. He's lost 4 times i think. Anyway, he's got pretty fast hands and pretty quick feet and decent mobility and moves around the ring a lot which could cause Quigg headaches but he's also pretty hittable from what ive seen although he tries to box. Not sure if he hits hard enough to trouble Quigg either.
And Rigondeaux would be an even better opponent.Horse wrote:Agbeko was absolute garbage against Rigondeaux. Wake is a better opponent in my opinion.
At the moment I would partially agree with you. But the fact remains that he is one of the best boxers pound-for-pound on the planet, and that sort of quality is definitely VERY marketable skills.Terry Dooley wrote:It depends. Right or wrong, Rigo' would struggle to draw flies to a Mexican shithouse during a Chilli festival in August.