No clue what that has to do with managers not really doing interviews.
Have you been following the discussion?
Other posters reasonably suggested that because Haymon is so influential, yet rarely if ever publicly explains anything about his plans like other highly influential boxing figures do, there is justifiably more speculation about/focus on what he does than what someone like Oscar or Bob does. You bring up other managers, but other managers aren't enormously influential like he is and thus there aren't going to be the same reasons and hence demands for them to be 'accountable' through interviews, statements, etc.
No clue what that has to do with managers not really doing interviews.
Have you been following the discussion?
Other posters suggested that because Haymon is so influential, yet rarely if ever publicly explains anything about his plans like other highly influential boxing figures do, there is justifiably more speculation/focus surrounding what he does than what someone like Oscar or Bob does. You bring up other managers, but other managers aren't enormously influential like he is and thus there aren't going to be the same reasons and hence demands for them to be 'accountable' through interviews, statements, etc.
Anyone dealing with bigger names is influential by this argument. Who gives a f#ck if they do interviews with Radio Raheem though? Not me. Its silly.
If the guy or any other manager wants to go out & do interviews fair play, if he doesn't fair play that way too. Accountability ain't got nothing to do with it. Al is accountable to the guys who pay him not to some guy watching boxing in his underwear while his ugly wife makes spaghetti. Oscar & Bob are influential, but they also do a different job in the sport which demands them to talk to the public @ large to get the word out about their fight cards.
This is bout the dumbest thing to be mentioned in this thread. Its like asking why the garbage man ain't washing your car. It ain't his f#cking job thats why
What's dumb about thinking that the relatively large amount of speculation surrounding Haymon is due to his very low profile amidst huge influence?
Have you even read the thread for background on the post you responded to? I don't think anyone you've replied to suggested that he's got an obligation to be accountable to the public, just that his confluence of reticence and influence make him a bigger focus than influential boxing figures who are more open.
crusader wrote:What's dumb about thinking that the relatively large amount of speculation surrounding Haymon is due to his very low profile amidst huge influence?
Have you even read the thread for background on the post you responded to? I don't think anyone you've replied to suggested that he's got an obligation to be accountable to the public, just that his confluence of reticence and influence make him a bigger focus than influential boxing figures who are more open.
Accountability was brought up along with the lack of interviews silliness. Al has no accountability to the boxing public. He's making business decisions for professional boxers. No sh!t people are speculating like mad about him with his behind the scenes activity, but those are two entirely different things in my eyes.
crusader wrote:What's dumb about thinking that the relatively large amount of speculation surrounding Haymon is due to his very low profile amidst huge influence?
Have you even read the thread for background on the post you responded to? I don't think anyone you've replied to suggested that he's got an obligation to be accountable to the public, just that his confluence of reticence and influence make him a bigger focus than influential boxing figures who are more open.
Accountability was brought up along with the lack of interviews silliness. Al has no accountability to the boxing public. He's making business decisions for professional boxers. No sh!t people are speculating like mad about him with his behind the scenes activity, but those are two entirely different things in my eyes.
Someone mentioned that Arum and Oscar show accountability though speaking publicly, which I assume to mean informing the public of their business plans through methods such as interviews and announcements, which is one possible reason there may be less focus on them than on Haymon right now; the latter's lower profile means more speculation about what he's up to and speculation is a great way to generate abundant discussion. No one said in this thread that Haymon is obliged to be in the public eye like Oscar and Arum, so I'm not sure which point you're contesting and it's as if you're trying to counter an argument that wasn't made.
ReggieDiggs wrote:
Accountability was brought up along with the lack of interviews silliness. Al has no accountability to the boxing public. He's making business decisions for professional boxers. No sh!t people are speculating like mad about him with his behind the scenes activity, but those are two entirely different things in my eyes.
What's silly about suggesting Haymon doesn't give interviews?
Haymon doesn't give interviews, hence the speculation. Obviously there are strong enough suspicions that cases have been brought regarding contravening the Ali Act. As the Ali Act is to protect boxers interests, they can't be seen as two entirely separate activities.
How does a promoter's interview provide any real accountability when a promoter is always entitled to say whatever they want? There's no obligation for truth, and the nature of promoting is to spin.
When called out on his bullshit, Arum famously told reporters, " yesterday I was lying, but today I'm telling the truth.."
At least Al isn't out here blowing smoke up our asses. Telling us one thing while he does another.
But by all means, enjoy the all of the promoter's smoke you need to. There's plenty of it.
ReggieDiggs wrote:
Accountability was brought up along with the lack of interviews silliness. Al has no accountability to the boxing public. He's making business decisions for professional boxers. No sh!t people are speculating like mad about him with his behind the scenes activity, but those are two entirely different things in my eyes.
What's silly about suggesting Haymon doesn't give interviews?
Haymon doesn't give interviews, hence the speculation. Obviously there are strong enough suspicions that cases have been brought regarding contravening the Ali Act. As the Ali Act is to protect boxers interests, they can't be seen as two entirely separate activities.
I'm just saying the analogy between Al & promoters is like bringing up your dog not purring. Managers are all pretty f#cking mysterious across the board due to not talking to media much if @ all.
Related to Haymon, there are some interesting posts on Rafael's twitter about Haymon's contracts with certain fighters and there supposed implications (e.g. Quillin and Wilder being unable to accept deals from Roc Nation).
As a boxing fan I don't care about all the politics, I simply want to see the best fight the best, so Al Haymon can go fvck himself along with Bob Arum and any other person of influence in this sport who prevents the matches we want to see.
Quitting may or may not be scared to fight Triple G, but he is the one who picked who represents him, and if that person is convincing him drop a belt to avoid certain fighters then he and his management team are pussies in my opinion.
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Don King made a point once ... some promoter got caught doing some illegal poo and all the interviewer (I think it was Jim Rome) was trying to do is pin some guilt on King. Don King said something like "How is it that you have found this guy doing something illegal, but he's not the story? Instead, you are trying to focus on me." Paraphrase.
That's how I feel about all this Haymon hate. Boxing fans and announcers have submitted to corruption by commission, belt organization and established promoters. However, some people are trying to portray Haymon as this boogeyman. How about we fix the things we ALL KNOW are fucked up before we focus on Haymon?
It's like the idiots who ignore blatant government corruption while searching for the Illuminati.
The promoters are desperately trying to keep boxing pay per view. But that cash cow can only sustain so much activity before it collapses.
Algieri v Pac, is hopefully the straw that breaks the camels back.
crusader wrote:Related to Haymon, there are some interesting posts on Rafael's twitter about Haymon's contracts with certain fighters and there supposed implications (e.g. Quillin and Wilder being unable to accept deals from Roc Nation).
