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Australian boxing is not dead, dying, comatose, etc.

As with anywhere else in the world, it has its up's and down's.

Mind you, it's had it's successes. Pretty much since it's inception as a nation, Australia has always been either at the forefront or on the fringe. Peter Jackson and Joe Goddard were legendary in their day, and some will argue to this day Sullivan dodged them outright. Not to mention how many legendary lighter weight champions there have been from the great southern continent. Don't forget, how many top or near top men there are from Australia in present time, or in recent years like Sakio Bika, Vic Darchiniyan, Anthony Mundine (yes, I know, even the Aussie's hate him), Kostya Tszyu, Lovemore N'Dou, Daniel Geale, Danny Green, etc.

When you really put it altogether, considering such HOF'ers like Fenech came from this nation of 22 million or so people, that is a ridiculously high number of success stories (world champs, title challengers, gate keepers) per capita when the odds of becoming a real threat in the sport, or amounting to anything really, is so wide and far. Don't knock the Aussies too much, cus one thing I can say is true of these people: they will always get back up, and come back for more.

I'm a bit interested in Alex Leapai vs Malik Scott.

eastezrider wrote:I'm a bit interested in Alex Leapai vs Malik Scott.

Scott wins every round and Leapai becomes a journeyman.

polecateddy wrote:

eastezrider wrote:I'm a bit interested in Alex Leapai vs Malik Scott.

Scott wins every round and Leapai becomes a journeyman.

So... expecting to go the distance you are. Hmmm... I'm hoping that they both bring their "A" game plan; however, more curious as to whether they are/were contenders or pretenders.

Fingers crossed for an epic "pride" battle...

eastezrider wrote:

polecateddy wrote:

eastezrider wrote:I'm a bit interested in Alex Leapai vs Malik Scott.

Scott wins every round and Leapai becomes a journeyman.

So... expecting to go the distance you are. Hmmm... I'm hoping that they both bring their "A" game plan; however, more curious as to whether they are/were contenders or pretenders.

Fingers crossed for an epic "pride" battle...

I can spot a journeyman in the making. He's given it his best shot with the talent he had. Fodder now.

HomicideHenry wrote:Australian boxing is not dead, dying, comatose, etc.

As with anywhere else in the world, it has its up's and down's.

Mind you, it's had it's successes. Pretty much since it's inception as a nation, Australia has always been either at the forefront or on the fringe. Peter Jackson and Joe Goddard were legendary in their day, and some will argue to this day Sullivan dodged them outright. Not to mention how many legendary lighter weight champions there have been from the great southern continent. Don't forget, how many top or near top men there are from Australia in present time, or in recent years like Sakio Bika, Vic Darchiniyan, Anthony Mundine (yes, I know, even the Aussie's hate him), Kostya Tszyu, Lovemore N'Dou, Daniel Geale, Danny Green, etc.

When you really put it altogether, considering such HOF'ers like Fenech came from this nation of 22 million or so people, that is a ridiculously high number of success stories (world champs, title challengers, gate keepers) per capita when the odds of becoming a real threat in the sport, or amounting to anything really, is so wide and far. Don't knock the Aussies too much, cus one thing I can say is true of these people: they will always get back up, and come back for more.

Bika is Cameroonian, Darchinyan is Armenian, Tszyu is Russian and N'Dou is South African.

polecateddy wrote:

bigred83 wrote:

polecateddy wrote:...well for the next few years anyway. Soliman was the last pillar standing. I doubt Australian boxing has ever been in such a dire state, not that it was exactly ever a hotbed. All their international(ish) level fighters are over-the-hill or have been exposed. You only have to buy the latest attempt at a boxing rag, Australian Boxing Legends to see that all the younger fighters are going nowhere fast on tiny, obscure tank town shows with no tv. Damien Hooper may have some vague promise, but that's it. (And anyway he looks a bit chinny.) Did I forget Lucas Browne?! Lol

get over yourself pal.
we'll be fine.
our nation isn't huge, around 22million. we have2 major rugby codes, plus afl and soccer. as well as cricket in the summer.
these are our major sports.
there is also basketball and baseball, plus swimming. they take a large portion of athletes from the "pool"
we may not have the list of world champs of other larger countries, or countries where boxing is a major sport.
but we do pretty good really.
have you watched/heard of jeff horn? ill bet ive missed a few other prospects as well, but its late

I've been in Oz nearly 5 years. I bought that terrible rag World of Boxing a few times. Boxers like Junior Talipeau would get big spreads every month. The same Junior that just got minced in a round and retired. Surely Jeff Horn is just the same. Domestic level in AU. I'm not talking about other Aussie sports which are quite healthy. There's just no talent there in boxing.

So you are already writing off the undefeated Horn? Have you actually seen him fight?

That Jeff Horn is currently feasting on the usual suspects of imported (very average) journeyman on the usual small hall, no tv Aussie bills tells me all I need to know. One day he will get wildly stepped up in class when his manager secures some international fight he's in no way prepared for on the back of said unbeaten record fighting imported nobodies. Sad really.

expe wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Australian boxing is not dead, dying, comatose, etc.

As with anywhere else in the world, it has its up's and down's.

Mind you, it's had it's successes. Pretty much since it's inception as a nation, Australia has always been either at the forefront or on the fringe. Peter Jackson and Joe Goddard were legendary in their day, and some will argue to this day Sullivan dodged them outright. Not to mention how many legendary lighter weight champions there have been from the great southern continent. Don't forget, how many top or near top men there are from Australia in present time, or in recent years like Sakio Bika, Vic Darchiniyan, Anthony Mundine (yes, I know, even the Aussie's hate him), Kostya Tszyu, Lovemore N'Dou, Daniel Geale, Danny Green, etc.

When you really put it altogether, considering such HOF'ers like Fenech came from this nation of 22 million or so people, that is a ridiculously high number of success stories (world champs, title challengers, gate keepers) per capita when the odds of becoming a real threat in the sport, or amounting to anything really, is so wide and far. Don't knock the Aussies too much, cus one thing I can say is true of these people: they will always get back up, and come back for more.

Bika is Cameroonian, Darchinyan is Armenian, Tszyu is Russian and N'Dou is South African.

All have dual citizenship and more or less made Australia their home.

HomicideHenry wrote:

expe wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Australian boxing is not dead, dying, comatose, etc.

As with anywhere else in the world, it has its up's and down's.

Mind you, it's had it's successes. Pretty much since it's inception as a nation, Australia has always been either at the forefront or on the fringe. Peter Jackson and Joe Goddard were legendary in their day, and some will argue to this day Sullivan dodged them outright. Not to mention how many legendary lighter weight champions there have been from the great southern continent. Don't forget, how many top or near top men there are from Australia in present time, or in recent years like Sakio Bika, Vic Darchiniyan, Anthony Mundine (yes, I know, even the Aussie's hate him), Kostya Tszyu, Lovemore N'Dou, Daniel Geale, Danny Green, etc.

When you really put it altogether, considering such HOF'ers like Fenech came from this nation of 22 million or so people, that is a ridiculously high number of success stories (world champs, title challengers, gate keepers) per capita when the odds of becoming a real threat in the sport, or amounting to anything really, is so wide and far. Don't knock the Aussies too much, cus one thing I can say is true of these people: they will always get back up, and come back for more.

Bika is Cameroonian, Darchinyan is Armenian, Tszyu is Russian and N'Dou is South African.

All have dual citizenship and more or less made Australia their home.

It's balls though really. I've been in Oz 4 and a half years and have citizenship. I would never dream of describing myself as Australian.

HomicideHenry wrote:

expe wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Australian boxing is not dead, dying, comatose, etc.

As with anywhere else in the world, it has its up's and down's.

Mind you, it's had it's successes. Pretty much since it's inception as a nation, Australia has always been either at the forefront or on the fringe. Peter Jackson and Joe Goddard were legendary in their day, and some will argue to this day Sullivan dodged them outright. Not to mention how many legendary lighter weight champions there have been from the great southern continent. Don't forget, how many top or near top men there are from Australia in present time, or in recent years like Sakio Bika, Vic Darchiniyan, Anthony Mundine (yes, I know, even the Aussie's hate him), Kostya Tszyu, Lovemore N'Dou, Daniel Geale, Danny Green, etc.

When you really put it altogether, considering such HOF'ers like Fenech came from this nation of 22 million or so people, that is a ridiculously high number of success stories (world champs, title challengers, gate keepers) per capita when the odds of becoming a real threat in the sport, or amounting to anything really, is so wide and far. Don't knock the Aussies too much, cus one thing I can say is true of these people: they will always get back up, and come back for more.

Bika is Cameroonian, Darchinyan is Armenian, Tszyu is Russian and N'Dou is South African.

All have dual citizenship and more or less made Australia their home.

They were 21, 24, 22 and 25 when they moved to Australia, they were born, raised and learnt to box in their home countries, N'Dou turned pro in South Africa. Just because they have citizenship doesn't make them Australian.

polecateddy wrote:That Jeff Horn is currently feasting on the usual suspects of imported (very average) journeyman on the usual small hall, no tv Aussie bills tells me all I need to know. One day he will get wildly stepped up in class when his manager secures some international fight he's in no way prepared for on the back of said unbeaten record fighting imported nobodies. Sad really.

The guys has had 8 fights and already beaten 3 decent fighters. He beat nafoul Ben rabah in his 7th fight and Ben rabah was a serous fighter who should have been IBF world champion but for the biggest robbery in recent memory when he 'lost' to Juan urango.

dan h wrote:

polecateddy wrote:That Jeff Horn is currently feasting on the usual suspects of imported (very average) journeyman on the usual small hall, no tv Aussie bills tells me all I need to know. One day he will get wildly stepped up in class when his manager secures some international fight he's in no way prepared for on the back of said unbeaten record fighting imported nobodies. Sad really.

The guys has had 8 fights and already beaten 3 decent fighters. He beat nafoul Ben rabah in his 7th fight and Ben rabah was a serous fighter who should have been IBF world champion but for the biggest robbery in recent memory when he 'lost' to Juan urango.

That was a 6 rounder and close. I think Rabah was retired and had come back domestically in AU, and then retired again. Probably a ten rounder might have suited him more.

polecateddy wrote:That Jeff Horn is currently feasting on the usual suspects of imported (very average) journeyman on the usual small hall, no tv Aussie bills tells me all I need to know. One day he will get wildly stepped up in class when his manager secures some international fight he's in no way prepared for on the back of said unbeaten record fighting imported nobodies. Sad really.

Quoted for future reference.

polecateddy wrote:...well for the next few years anyway. Soliman was the last pillar standing. I doubt Australian boxing has ever been in such a dire state, not that it was exactly ever a hotbed. All their international(ish) level fighters are over-the-hill or have been exposed. You only have to buy the latest attempt at a boxing rag, Australian Boxing Legends to see that all the younger fighters are going nowhere fast on tiny, obscure tank town shows with no tv. Damien Hooper may have some vague promise, but that's it. (And anyway he looks a bit chinny.) Did I forget Lucas Browne?! Lol

I was on the money with Damien Hooper there. Aussie boxing: dead as a post!

Cap wrote:Boxing in general is in decline everywhere. Most media find it too nasty to deal with, much preferring the schoolyard grappling of MMA. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I know that have even a passing interest in the sport. No surprise then that Australia and Canada are producing so few world-class boxers. Public disinterest means no arses in the seats and that means few money-making boxing cards.

Would really disagree. think British and irish boxing is at its best since ever.maybe not for world champions but for loads of competitive and exciting boxers every division up. come a long way from just ricky hatton and the danny williams v Michael Sprott triogly. but before that we had the great collins,eubanks,benn,watson which was just one weight and naz and of course the champions .to young to remember pre

brilo33 wrote:

Cap wrote:Boxing in general is in decline everywhere. Most media find it too nasty to deal with, much preferring the schoolyard grappling of MMA. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I know that have even a passing interest in the sport. No surprise then that Australia and Canada are producing so few world-class boxers. Public disinterest means no arses in the seats and that means few money-making boxing cards.

Would really disagree. think British and irish boxing is at its best since ever.maybe not for world champions but for loads of competitive and exciting boxers every division up. come a long way from just ricky hatton and the danny williams v Michael Sprott triogly. but before that we had the great collins,eubanks,benn,watson which was just one weight and naz and of course the champions .to young to remember pre

Yes UK boxing is totally fine. AU boxing on the other hand is deceased.