If you are technically correct about Golovkin, then you are technically absolutely incorrect about Quillin's abilities. Wherever you put Golovkin, Quillin is a level below.fergusg wrote:I'm technically correct... even if you're far too stubborn to admit it!Butterbean wrote:LMAO...fergusg wrote:Whilst many people may choose to worship GGG and compare his powers to some sort of invulnerable omnipotent god-like being, it’s important to note that Golovkin has never shared the ring with an opponent possessing anywhere near the overall ability that Quillin has.
Idiot or troll, maybe even both
Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
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Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
... and you contradict yourself with that. Quillin is worse than Geale or Rubio if you base your statements on a resume.fergusg wrote:Have you read my posting history on this thread? I've always maintained that GGG would beat Quillin, but he would almost certainly be the best victory on Golovkin's resume… by a proverbial country mile!ikorolev wrote:Wherever you put Golovkin, Quillin is a level below.
Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
Ring Magazine is owned by DLH, and ESPN puts blown up welterweight Cotto above Golovkin. Very reliable sources ...
Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
If by "technically" you mean "based on computerized or biased ratings", then you are "technically" right. However, computerized ratings counted Quillin's win over Rosado as a TKO without considering that he looked bad in that fight and could have lost if Rosado had less fragile skin. Those ratings also don't take into consideration how unimpressive he looked in the Konechny fight. So, you are "technically" correct in Quillin's standing compared to Geale or Rubio, but you are far from reality the same way as those ratings you are citing.fergusg wrote:Regardless your opinion, I could quote many other rankings supporting my belief that I hold a "technically correct" stance, such as Boxrec!ikorolev wrote:Ring Magazine is owned by DLH, and ESPN puts blown up welterweight Cotto above Golovkin. Very reliable sources ...
You could try to undermine them all, because you're a stubborn fellow that won't admit you're wrong, but this doesn't detract from my "technically correct" stance.
Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
I agree that Quillin is overrated in most of current ratings, which makes one of your statements "technically" correct. However, this statement of yoursfergusg wrote:So the end result of all this dialogue, is that you agree, from at least a technical perspective, that a victory over Quillin would be the best win on Golovkin's resume?ikorolev wrote:If by "technically" you mean "based on computerized or biased ratings", then you are "technically" right. However, computerized ratings counted Quillin's win over Rosado as a TKO without considering that he looked bad in that fight and could have lost if Rosado had less fragile skin. Those ratings also don't take into consideration how unimpressive he looked in the Konechny fight. So, you are "technically" correct in Quillin's standing compared to Geale or Rubio, but you are far from reality the same way as those ratings you are citing.fergusg wrote: Regardless your opinion, I could quote many other rankings supporting my belief that I hold a "technically correct" stance, such as Boxrec!
You could try to undermine them all, because you're a stubborn fellow that won't admit you're wrong, but this doesn't detract from my "technically correct" stance.
is still wrong, as ratings is one thing and abilities is a totally different thing.Golovkin has never shared the ring with an opponent possessing anywhere near the overall ability that Quillin has.
Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
The short answer is NO, PQ is not as good as they make him out to be and has a questionable chin IMHO.
Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
To say that Rubio is better than Quillin is ridiculous. This is gonna end-up being the next "Stevens and all of Golovkin's other scalps are better than N'Dam" from a handful of months ago. It's possible to claim that Geale is in the same ballpark as Quillin, but Rubio doesn't even belong in the same discussion as Quillin and Geale. That'd be like lumping Luis Carlos Abregu in with Kell Brook and Keith Thurman. Rubio is a supreme gatekeeper who has barely climbed his way into contender status. Quillin and perhaps Geale are world class.
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Butterbean
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Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
Would quillin have been a favourite against the likes of macklin, geale, proksa etc, prior to their ass whippings by ggg ? Maybe now, as they all seem to completely have lost it and i understand it. If you have a view of yourself as a possible world champ and get beaten in a way they all have by ggg, you just got to loose it a bit. Why keep working so hard when you are lightyears from the nimber one ?
What makes you think quillin would beat these guys fergus ? I dont think he would. And he and hes team aint going anywhere near ggg. Why ? Because it makes no sense. He will end up like the rest and his career more or less over in regards of championship dreams etc.
And of course sane persons wouldnt bet their houses and lifesavings on a boxing match. Ggg could get hit by a luckypunch, lightning, an injury or a heartattack. But back to your question: just no, quillin will not have any real chance vs ggg, and gggs resume will not be rated higher than now if ggg was allowed to dispose of quillin.
What makes you think quillin would beat these guys fergus ? I dont think he would. And he and hes team aint going anywhere near ggg. Why ? Because it makes no sense. He will end up like the rest and his career more or less over in regards of championship dreams etc.
And of course sane persons wouldnt bet their houses and lifesavings on a boxing match. Ggg could get hit by a luckypunch, lightning, an injury or a heartattack. But back to your question: just no, quillin will not have any real chance vs ggg, and gggs resume will not be rated higher than now if ggg was allowed to dispose of quillin.
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...in case you are interested but haven't seen it yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLKBZ ... Eikk#t=154
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLKBZ ... Eikk#t=154
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jezzamundo
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Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
I disagree with this statement, as I believe that Quillin is roughly on the same level that Geale and Macklin were when GGG fought them in terms of ability. I wouldn't disagree with anyone who said that Quillin is better than any of GGG's opponents to date, but it's the 'anywhere near' that I disagree with. I think Geale is a technically superior boxer to Quillin (better handspeed, movement, work-rate and stamina), but is not as powerful or durable.Golovkin has never shared the ring with an opponent possessing anywhere near the overall ability that Quillin has.
That said, Quillin would definitely be GGG's biggest win to date if he beat him.
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ReggieDiggs
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Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
If Superman & Batman were real & they teamed up they would only have a 7% chance of beating GGG.Leather Daddy wrote:Peter Quillin would stand a 0.01 % chance of beating Golovkin
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fergusg,
Nice job cutting of the main part of my statement:
However, this statement of yours
Nice job cutting of the main part of my statement:
However, this statement of yours
is still wrong, as ratings is one thing and abilities is a totally different thing.Golovkin has never shared the ring with an opponent possessing anywhere near the overall ability that Quillin has.
Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
0.01% is exaggeration, but odds would probably be around 1/20 to 1/7.ReggieDiggs wrote:If Superman & Batman were real & they teamed up they would only have a 7% chance of beating GGG.Leather Daddy wrote:Peter Quillin would stand a 0.01 % chance of beating Golovkin
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ReggieDiggs
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Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
1/7 GGG wins, 1/20 GGG kills. Peter needing immediate surgery post fight is even money.ikorolev wrote:0.01% is exaggeration, but odds would probably be around 1/20 to 1/7.ReggieDiggs wrote:If Superman & Batman were real & they teamed up they would only have a 7% chance of beating GGG.Leather Daddy wrote:Peter Quillin would stand a 0.01 % chance of beating Golovkin
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Chocolate wouldn't last. 6 with GGGG
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jezzamundo
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Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
Quillin would have a small punchers chance - he's got power, but GGG seems to have a very good chin. Then there's the possibility of a bad cut to GGG caused by a punch or an injury to GGG. I don't see Quillin winning on points (unless GGG is fighting sick or with an injury) and I think that a mid-rounds stoppage win to GGG is the most likely result. Overall I'd give Quillin about a 10-15% chance of beating Golovkin.
Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
Nice job cutting it off again. Of course, quoting your ridiculous statement is superfluous.fergusg wrote:I merely quoted the only comment you made that was actually relevant to the discussion I was having with Butterbean that you interjected.ikorolev wrote:fergusg, Nice job cutting of the main part of my statement
Anything else you said, whilst fairly interesting, was purely superfluous.
Golovkin has never shared the ring with an opponent possessing anywhere near the overall ability that Quillin has.
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G.McClellan
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Re: Would Peter Quillin stand any sort of a chance against GGG?
ThisBoxing Prospect wrote:Slim and none, and I heard Slim was ducking Golovkin..