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Horse wrote:Joshua shouldn't be in a 50/50 or 60/40 fight at any point in 2015.

I agree completely.

Whilst I see Joshua as a true genuine talent & future star he needs to be built up slowly. So sick of a guy having some success & everyone wants to rush him into risky fights immediately.

moogie101 wrote:

Horse wrote:Joshua shouldn't be in a 50/50 or 60/40 fight at any point in 2015.

I agree completely.

Whilst I see Joshua as a true genuine talent & future star he needs to be built up slowly. So sick of a guy having some success & everyone wants to rush him into risky fights immediately.

Personally i'm sick of watching boxing and watching mismatches. The equivalent in football for instance would manchester city being allowed to play Accrington stanley every week until the end of the season when they eventually play a top team. Also regarding risky fights and so on - isnt it risky for the guys who are completely outmatched and outgunned or does the the risk to them not matter as much?

lefty wrote:

rio wrote:Johnson would get rounds but poses little threat of an upset unless the fight is in the southern hemisphere! I class that as a 70/30 fight, but in all honesty don't really see it as competitive that's why a left it out the poll. Also i am sick of hearn bigging up an opponent saying he went 8 rounds with so and so, took so and so to a decision, you can see hearn bigging that fight up now.....the guy who went 12 rounds with klit, fury and chisora conviniently forgetting to mention he lost all 36 rounds! A-force is a 90/10 fight making it completely pointless fight, really has R1 ko written all over it and if that don't happen he will get criticized. Nothing to gain from that fight. I am only intrested in competitive fight for joshua where his opponent has a chance of winning. Hearn said he will win a title in 2016. Any of the opponents mentioned would be a great starting block to that goal

What about Wach then? I'd definietly favour Joshua to win but I think it would be dangerous if he wasnt fully alert.

Not a bad opponent....but would prefer someone of his level that is relevant to the uk market like price or browne. Both similar levels to wach but much bigger fights.

lefty wrote: How old was the Japanese Murata when he started boxing? Ps i dont particularily disagree with your viewpoint by the way.

Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.

I'm also sick of mismatches mate but Joshua has to make it out of the first league and championship before he can play in the premier league.

Yeh I was thinking about Wach earlier,he's been out for a while now but he's getting some rounds Friday night?

maybe Boytsov future test once he shakes off that defeat.
Gerber?
Dimitrenko?
what about 56 year old Hassan Chitsaz (26W/26KO/1L) :)

Maybe feeding him different styles is the way to do it but Eddies making out like hes gonna push him towards a world title in 12/18 months time so what is it that they want to do?Being realistic and Im still not 100% convinced with Joshua yet but you've got to be looking at the Povetkin's/Jennings/Glazkovs ranked fighters if moving towards a world title quickly is what they want to do.

black panther wrote:

lefty wrote: How old was the Japanese Murata when he started boxing? Ps i dont particularily disagree with your viewpoint by the way.

Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.

I'm also sick of mismatches mate but Joshua has to make it out of the first league and championship before he can play in the premier league.

Those are all valid points mate I agree. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect Joshua to be going in with the top dogs right now, I mean aside from Wlad. Guys like Price, Fury and so on. He does need to move his way up before that. However I do think the competition could be upped somewhat though. Atleast to guys who are gonna likely go the full distance or into the later rounds. Like a Guinn or a Johnson or someone like that. Ps i'm determined to find someone who started boxing late and fought good competiton early on just to be a pain in the ass ;) haha.

lefty wrote:

black panther wrote:

lefty wrote: How old was the Japanese Murata when he started boxing? Ps i dont particularily disagree with your viewpoint by the way.

Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.

I'm also sick of mismatches mate but Joshua has to make it out of the first league and championship before he can play in the premier league.

Those are all valid points mate I agree. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect Joshua to be going in with the top dogs right now, I mean aside from Wlad. Guys like Price, Fury and so on. He does need to move his way up before that. However I do think the competition could be upped somewhat though. Atleast to guys who are gonna likely go the full distance or into the later rounds. Like a Guinn or a Johnson or someone like that. Ps i'm determined to find someone who started boxing late and fought good competiton early on just to be a pain in the ass ;) haha.

You sound like that Fergus guy.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

lefty wrote:

black panther wrote:
Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.

I'm also sick of mismatches mate but Joshua has to make it out of the first league and championship before he can play in the premier league.

Those are all valid points mate I agree. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect Joshua to be going in with the top dogs right now, I mean aside from Wlad. Guys like Price, Fury and so on. He does need to move his way up before that. However I do think the competition could be upped somewhat though. Atleast to guys who are gonna likely go the full distance or into the later rounds. Like a Guinn or a Johnson or someone like that. Ps i'm determined to find someone who started boxing late and fought good competiton early on just to be a pain in the ass ;) haha.

You sound like that Fergus guy.

Fergus is my uncle.....

Kevin Johnson

It could be practically anybody after sprott. I wouldn't rule out Audley or Cunningham

Bandit wrote:Kevin Johnson

Why anyone would want to see this fight is beyond me. Did you not see him fight fury, chisora and klit? He hardly threw a punch and came to go the distance not win.

rio wrote:Why anyone would want to see this fight is beyond me. Did you not see him fight fury, chisora and klit? He hardly threw a punch and came to go the distance not win.

He's top 30 in the world with a good chin and defence. He would be a tough opponent for Joshua.

Horse wrote:

rio wrote:Why anyone would want to see this fight is beyond me. Did you not see him fight fury, chisora and klit? He hardly threw a punch and came to go the distance not win.

He's top 30 in the world with a good chin and defence. He would be a tough opponent for Joshua.

He's not a tough opponent for joshua, he's loses every round just like he does everytime he faces a top opponent

as others have said it would crazy to stick him in with a live 50/50 fight after only 12 months of boxing maybe some one like vinny maddalone who tyson fury beat a couple of years back

rio wrote:He's not a tough opponent for joshua, he's loses every round just like he does everytime he faces a top opponent

He won rounds against Charr and Hammer (I thought he deserved the decision against Hammer).

If Joshua could beat Johnson as clearly as Fury & Chisora did then that is an impressive win. It would possibly put Joshua in the world's top 15.

Kevin Johnson? Good test or not, can't stand watching that man box.

black panther wrote:Yes rio you are correct in that sense but:

1. The middleweight division is a lot deeper than the heavyweight division
2. You've ignored my point about Degale having started boxing at a much younger age and having far more amateur bouts.

Joshua only had around 34 contests; Degale had 95.


I’m not trying to have a go mate but rather trying to make you understand the difference between starting boxing at 10 years old compared to 18 years old.
It takes years to master the finer nuances of boxing; many never do. Degale at the same stage in his career was far more developed than Joshua in terms of technique, punch repertoire, defensive manoeuvres etc. Also, regardless of the stats/records on paper, each boxer is an individual and need to be treated as such. You need to assess where they are in terms of conditioning, technique, mentality, tactical nous etc. and develop accordingly.

Hope this helps expand my point.

This doesn't mean anything , the both Olympic gold medalists so there on the same level regardless of bouts boxed, idiot

If Eddie Hearn is looking to push Joshua towards a world title within 12-18 months I would probably go in this order of this type of opponents after sprott

Charr (maybe take Joshua a few rounds maybe test his chin, stamina)
Dimitrenko (has height and reach similar to wladimir)
Takam ( guy has a good ranking but his beatable as he is not the tallest boxer)
stiverne/povetkin (any of these two would be a good final fight before a world title shot)

I personally think the price fight should wait as price still needs to find his way again after those two defeats to Thompson and that Joshua needs more rounds, I do think Eddie is getting carried away as joshua is still only mid-20s and heavyweights don't hit there prime till there 30s now it seems and it would be stupid to put him in with some of the top 10 guys yet but Eddie from the sounds of it would be willing to do that but I'd prefer Joshua to capture the British title first and then go from there maybe he could fight the loser of fury vs chisora as his first defence. As I'm pretty sure he won't be fighting the winner for the belt as I reckon it will be vacated.

the truth wrote:

black panther wrote:Yes rio you are correct in that sense but:

1. The middleweight division is a lot deeper than the heavyweight division
2. You've ignored my point about Degale having started boxing at a much younger age and having far more amateur bouts.

Joshua only had around 34 contests; Degale had 95.


I’m not trying to have a go mate but rather trying to make you understand the difference between starting boxing at 10 years old compared to 18 years old.
It takes years to master the finer nuances of boxing; many never do. Degale at the same stage in his career was far more developed than Joshua in terms of technique, punch repertoire, defensive manoeuvres etc. Also, regardless of the stats/records on paper, each boxer is an individual and need to be treated as such. You need to assess where they are in terms of conditioning, technique, mentality, tactical nous etc. and develop accordingly.

Hope this helps expand my point.

This doesn't mean anything , the both Olympic gold medalists so there on the same level regardless of bouts boxed, idiot

Calling me an idiot completely validates your point Sir well done. I guess that means every single boxer who won an Olympic Gold Medal is on the same level as Muhammed Ali and Ray Leonard. That's fantastic news.

Can’t wait until Degale cleans out the super middleweight division and wins world titles in 5 divisions, hurts his eye, retires, then comes back to beat an unbeaten Golovkin.
Also really looking forward to the day Joshua becomes the greatest heavyweight of all time, transcends the sport and starts reciting poetry at press conferences.
And when Audley Harrison throws his medal in the river, becomes a member of the nation of Islam and beats the crap out George Foreman, oh how I shall rejoice.
Still waiting on ‘ole Muhhamed Abudalev to do the business though.

I mean they’re all Olympic gold medallists after all; gotta be on the same level.

Cheers,

BP

You really are an idiot, I'm not even going to respond your posts says it all , total chopper

Someone with a bit of height. See how he goes with someone the same size.

Mike Perez would be an interesting fight. Would be interesting to see how Joshua dealt with him.

My 2 year plan for Joshua would be something like this:

2014

November - Michael Sprott


2015

January - Derric Rossy
March - Sam Sexton (British)
April - Richard Towers
June - Gary Cornish
July - Ian Lewison
September - Lucas Browne (Commonwealth)
October - Alex Leapai
December - Kevin Johnson


2016

January - Odlanier Solis
March - Erkan Teper (European?)
May - Francesco Pianeta
July - Ruslan Chagaev (WBA Regular?)
September - David Price
December - Dereck Chisora

Horse wrote:My 2 year plan for Joshua would be something like this:

2014

November - Michael Sprott


2015

January - Derric Rossy
March - Sam Sexton (British)
April - Richard Towers
June - Gary Cornish
July - Ian Lewison
September - Lucas Browne (Commonwealth)
October - Alex Leapai
December - Kevin Johnson


2016

January - Odlanier Solis
March - Erkan Teper (European?)
May - Francesco Pianeta
July - Ruslan Chagaev (WBA Regular?)
September - David Price
December - Dereck Chisora

Riveting.

lefty wrote:Riveting.

Can you expand on that?