Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 00:04
by APerno
HomicideHenry wrote:
Caractacus wrote:Here some Jim Jeffries trivia for you all.
Along with doing 15 miles of roadwork a day,
Big Jeff could run the 100 yard dash in just 11 seconds.
(as a matter of fact it has been reported the when Jeffries was still a sparring partner to then champ Jim J. Corbett,
Jeffries had beatin Corbett 20 times in a row in the hundred yard dash!)
man,that is fast.
I'll agree Jeffries was a hell of a hoss. I've said it on many occasions that if all fights were 20-45 rounds, with three ounce gloves, under the blazing sun in an outdoor arena, and referees didn't mind a bloodbath--- I cant see that many heavyweights being able to stop Jeffries, including Muhammad Ali. In those times, contests could of went day and night, so one had to be so conditioned to punishment that its almost impossible for people to imagine the sort of monumental effort it took in those times to become a world champion.
Jeffries, though, I do think took it a bit farther than most in his era. His training regimen was as fanatical as Marciano's.* And I think if the truth is told, he had to be that well conditioned, because skill wise he wasn't the most defensive fighter. He had a very unusual style, even for the early 20th century--- which didn't make much sense considering he was practically a giant in his time, fighting out of a crouch and giving away his size and reach. However, he wasnt above chasing someone down for however long it took--- a fact that he proved time and again, from the beginning when he fought a black veteran of over 100 fights in his pro debut. Jeffries chased him down for 14 rounds before knocking the man out. He chased down Corbett, and eventually got him in the 21st. It didn't matter what kind of shape you was in, or how fast, and how experienced--- Jeffries was more conditioned, more tougher and more stronger.
*Marciano's roadwork consisted of 10 mile runs, in combination with 20 mile walks across the hills and valleys near training camp. So focused was he, and paranoid about getting out of condition, Marciano is said to do his 10 mile runs even on Christmas day.
Just to add some trivia to your Marciano comments, (as you said) his focus was so intense that, leading up to a fight, he would create a time-table for disconnecting himself from the world. I can't remember the regiment exactly but it went something like this: he would begin training three months before the fight; two months before, the camp would be closed to all outsiders except family; with one month left, even family would not be allowed in; with two weeks left he would not longer take phone calls (including family), at this point he would have contact with no one (except his seconds) until after the fight. During these last two weeks there would be no in-camp conversations about anything happening outside in the world, they would talk only of the coming fight, 24-7. Years later Rocky commented that the (training camp) isolation was one of the main reasons he chose to hang 'em up; he came to dread going into training; being separated from his family.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 04:04
by Kalan
An athlete can move well when he's in his 70's if he keeps himself in great physical condition by working out every day and eating right... He can even run high hurdles... but not anything like in his 20's and 30's when he's at his peak... The best sample of Jeffries' speed is his training for and fight with Jack Johnson, which can be seen on youtube.. He didn't look particularly fast or elusive and he was 36 or 37... He looked very powerful and tough, but not particularly quick or slick. Of course his skills were dulled because he hadn't fought in a few years -- and that was his only loss.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 04:37
by davie
Caractacus wrote:BTW You know what inspired me to post this?
Those rivisionist dolts like Ken Burns.
I watched the dvd of Unforgivable Blackness last weekend,
and (IMOP) Ken Burns intenionally portrayed Jim J Jeffries
as somekind of dull backwoods hick.
(When in fact Jeffries grew up in Los Angeles and even had a year of buisness school
before he became a professional fighter).
It's odd you should say this, I just got round to starting the book of the same title last night and in the opening pages Geoffrey Ward makes a point of discussing the trend of the day was to make Jack Johnston out to be a dullard and a hick, by writing anything he said in a comical style. Ward states that having heard Johnston speak, he was anything but stupid.
Ward actually makes a point of translating his quotes back to a more readable style of English, as he felt the dumbed down 'accent' they attributed to his quotes was grotesquely unfair and a symptom of the racial prejudice against the man at that time.
Of course doing it in those days is a different thing entirely, to a film maker doing the same thing in 2004, just so he can paint the hero of his film in a better light
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 11 Jan 2020, 14:01
by Caractacus
Check out former World Heavyweight Champion Jim J. Jeffries in this movie released in 1932.
THEY NEVER COME BACK.
He is the referee.
At age 57 years and what looks to be about around 260 ibs,watch him move around the ring.
So big and yet so quick and light on his feet
He even reminds me of a California Grizzly Bear!
check it out beginning about 4:20 of this clip.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 11 Jan 2020, 14:03
by Caractacus
Check Big Jeff out here in this rare film clip from 1907.
He was at age 32 years and retired and now the referee for the Tommy Burns vs Bill Squires title fight.
He must have weight at least 240 lbs here I reckon,but yet look how he moves around the ring.
(and such a nice dresser too I may add.)
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 11 Jan 2020, 14:06
by Caractacus
You can see Jeffries again as the referee in this brief clip of rounds 10 & 20 of,
Tommy Burns vs 'Philadelphia'Jack O'Brien
November 1906.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 13:01
by Onetimeonly
Very odd fellow, posting the same clips you posted years ago.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 19 Jan 2020, 13:03
by gilgamesh
They all look like movers on that old 8mm footage that has 'em all zipping around the ring
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 23 Jan 2020, 17:07
by Caractacus
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 13:01
Very odd fellow, posting the same clips you posted years ago.
and What exactly in your opinion is so "Very Odd" about it ?
It's called re-visiting a subject dude.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 13:01
Very odd fellow, posting the same clips you posted years ago.
and What exactly in your opinion is so "Very Odd" about it ?
It's called re-visiting a subject dude.
It's the same exact posts. Lol, revisiting an old thread is one thing. Typing out the same posts with the same links is very odd. A bump is sufficient.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 24 Jan 2020, 14:19
by Caractacus
well FYI, maybe some people don't like to click on a hyper-link without knowing where it leads to.
That way you can see what you're actually clicking on to.
I remember about 20 years ago,not at this site but another boxing site,
some ass-h*les who couldn't accept the fact that you didn't have the same opinion as them,
would trick someone into clicking on some really weird web page or something.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 24 Jan 2020, 14:48
by Onetimeonly
OK, copy and paste everything again. That won't be odd at all.
Re: A Myth-Buster--Jim J. Jeffries was indeed a Mover!!
Posted: 17 Feb 2023, 13:35
by Caractacus
Check out former World Heavyweight Champion Jim J. Jeffries in this movie released in 1932.
THEY NEVER COME BACK.
He is the referee.
At age 57 years and what looks to be about around 260 ibs, watch him move around the ring.
So big and yet so quick and yet so light on his feet !
He even reminds me of a California Grizzly Bear! ( now extinct)
check it out beginning about 4:20 of this clip.
