Golovkin is a bigger draw in California than Ward

[Bard of Boxrec]

Ward doesn't have the attributes to beat GGG. You need workrate and power to bother GGG. Ward has neither. How exactly is he going to win? Uh yeah, the 'intangibles' I almost forgot. Controlling the pace of the fight against a beast like GGG? Yeah good luck. Outboxing? For 12 rounds against that pressure? No.

Golovkin marches forward, Ward runs backwards all night. Nothing Andre does can discourage GGG, if the ref is serious about his job.

[Ian1973]

Not trying to be pedantic but referee's make such a difference in close fights. I go back to Mayweather v Hatton. Every time Hatton tried to get inside and rough Floyd up the ref stepped in and stopped him. Hatton had no chance that night. Not saying he would've won anyway but it would have been a cracking contest.

Look at Wlad. I'm one of his biggest fans but the amount of clinching he does sometimes is well outside the rules of boxing but nothing ever gets done to stop him. Ward, Rigo and Floyd are all guilty of this as well at times (as they are defensive minded fighters).

IF the ref allowed Ward to spoil all night, yes of course he could beat Golovkin, IF the ref stamps it out then Golovkin wins.

[diddy]

Ward doesn't have the attributes to beat GGG. You need workrate and power to bother GGG. Ward has neither. How exactly is he going to win? Uh yeah, the 'intangibles' I almost forgot. Controlling the pace of the fight against a beast like GGG? Yeah good luck. Outboxing? For 12 rounds against that pressure? No.

Golovkin marches forward, Ward runs backwards all night. Nothing Andre does can discourage GGG, if the ref is serious about his job.

WTF are you talking about?!? Doesnt have the attributes?? He's got ALL the attributes. Handspeed. Jab. Footwork. Defense. Ring guile. Good workrate. Inside fighting. Outside fighting. You are judging GGG off fights against Daniel f'n Geale and Marco Rubio? You can't be this dense. Ward is so much better than anyone GGG will ever fight at middleweight it is ridiculous. You clearly have no clue what you're watching.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Are you guys mixing up Ward with Dirrell? No question GGG would make Dirrell soil his panties in a matter of seconds. When has Ward fought running backwards? I missed it.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Ward doesn't have the attributes to beat GGG. You need workrate and power to bother GGG. Ward has neither. How exactly is he going to win? Uh yeah, the 'intangibles' I almost forgot. Controlling the pace of the fight against a beast like GGG? Yeah good luck. Outboxing? For 12 rounds against that pressure? No.

Golovkin marches forward, Ward runs backwards all night. Nothing Andre does can discourage GGG, if the ref is serious about his job.

WTF are you talking about?!? Doesnt have the attributes?? He's got ALL the attributes. Handspeed. Jab. Footwork. Defense. Ring guile. Good workrate. Inside fighting. Outside fighting. You are judging GGG off fights against Daniel f'n Geale and Marco Rubio? You can't be this dense. Ward is so much better than anyone GGG will ever fight at middleweight it is ridiculous. You clearly have no clue what you're watching.

Extract your penis from Ward's anus for a second and understand how these two match up. Ward has some advantages yes. But they count for little in the ring against that style.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ward doesn't have the attributes to beat GGG. You need workrate and power to bother GGG. Ward has neither. How exactly is he going to win? Uh yeah, the 'intangibles' I almost forgot. Controlling the pace of the fight against a beast like GGG? Yeah good luck. Outboxing? For 12 rounds against that pressure? No.

Golovkin marches forward, Ward runs backwards all night. Nothing Andre does can discourage GGG, if the ref is serious about his job.

WTF are you talking about?!? Doesnt have the attributes?? He's got ALL the attributes. Handspeed. Jab. Footwork. Defense. Ring guile. Good workrate. Inside fighting. Outside fighting. You are judging GGG off fights against Daniel f'n Geale and Marco Rubio? You can't be this dense. Ward is so much better than anyone GGG will ever fight at middleweight it is ridiculous. You clearly have no clue what you're watching.

Extract your penis from Ward's anus for a second and understand how these two match up. Ward has some advantages yes. But they count for little in the ring against that style.

LOL, he is a gigantic Ward hugger. No disputing that.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Are you guys mixing up Ward with Dirrell? No question GGG would make Dirrell soil his panties in a matter of seconds. When has Ward fought running backwards? I missed it.

I don't mean he runs backwards in all his fights, but he would be on the retreat in this one for sure. GGG would be the general in there and it's him who dictates the fight.

[diddy]

Are you guys mixing up Ward with Dirrell? No question GGG would make Dirrell soil his panties in a matter of seconds. When has Ward fought running backwards? I missed it.

I don't mean he runs backwards in all his fights, but he would be on the retreat in this one for sure. GGG would be the general in there and it's him who dictates the fight.

He didn't take a backwards step against Froch. Or Kessler. Or Dawson. But he's going to run from a middleweight.

You don't have a clue what you're watching. Please refrain from further conversation here. This is terrible.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Are you guys mixing up Ward with Dirrell? No question GGG would make Dirrell soil his panties in a matter of seconds. When has Ward fought running backwards? I missed it.

I don't mean he runs backwards in all his fights, but he would be on the retreat in this one for sure. GGG would be the general in there and it's him who dictates the fight.

I think he would try to smother Golovkin and use his size. He's too smart to let GGG just plow him down. I'd favor Ward, but I'd be more surprised by Diddy's comprehensive shutout than a Golovkin KO. Andre has never tasted that kind of power.

[diddy]

Are you guys mixing up Ward with Dirrell? No question GGG would make Dirrell soil his panties in a matter of seconds. When has Ward fought running backwards? I missed it.

I don't mean he runs backwards in all his fights, but he would be on the retreat in this one for sure. GGG would be the general in there and it's him who dictates the fight.

I think he would try to smother Golovkin and use his size. He's too smart to let GGG just plow him down. I'd favor Ward, but I'd be more surprised by Diddy's comprehensive shutout than a Golovkin KO. Andre has never tasted that kind of power.

I'm not certain GGGs power would translate as well to 168 against bigger men. I'm going to assume it wouldn't have quite the same effect. At 168 he probably hits about the equivalent of Froch.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't mean he runs backwards in all his fights, but he would be on the retreat in this one for sure. GGG would be the general in there and it's him who dictates the fight.

I think he would try to smother Golovkin and use his size. He's too smart to let GGG just plow him down. I'd favor Ward, but I'd be more surprised by Diddy's comprehensive shutout than a Golovkin KO. Andre has never tasted that kind of power.

I'm not certain GGGs power would translate as well to 168 against bigger men. I'm going to assume it wouldn't have quite the same effect. At 168 he probably hits about the equivalent of Froch.

That's a poor assumption. He was smashing Cloud to the canvas sparring before he ever lost a fight. He hits harder than any top guy at 168 by a significant margin.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Are you guys mixing up Ward with Dirrell? No question GGG would make Dirrell soil his panties in a matter of seconds. When has Ward fought running backwards? I missed it.

I don't mean he runs backwards in all his fights, but he would be on the retreat in this one for sure. GGG would be the general in there and it's him who dictates the fight.

He didn't take a backwards step against Froch. Or Kessler. Or Dawson. But he's going to run from a middleweight.

You don't have a clue what you're watching. Please refrain from further conversation here. This is terrible.

Precisely, Ward isn't a runner at all, he uses his skills on the inside to smother his opponent's work, take their power away. The way he handled Froch was quite astonishing, he just took all his weapons away. In the clinches he threw Froch around like a rag doll.

People underestimate both Ward's strength, and his toughness, and although he's not a puncher, he punches hard enough to keep his opponent's respectful. He landed some peaches on the inside against Froch.

[ikorolev]

How much does Ward weigh on a fight night ? Can he be so much bigger than Rubio was yesterday ?

[diddy]

How much does Ward weigh on a fight night ? Can he be so much bigger than Rubio was yesterday ?

Please. Make it stop. Please Lord.

[Freedom2013]

Not trying to be pedantic but referee's make such a difference in close fights. I go back to Mayweather v Hatton. Every time Hatton tried to get inside and rough Floyd up the ref stepped in and stopped him. Hatton had no chance that night. Not saying he would've won anyway but it would have been a cracking contest.

Look at Wlad. I'm one of his biggest fans but the amount of clinching he does sometimes is well outside the rules of boxing but nothing ever gets done to stop him. Ward, Rigo and Floyd are all guilty of this as well at times (as they are defensive minded fighters).

IF the ref allowed Ward to spoil all night, yes of course he could beat Golovkin, IF the ref stamps it out then Golovkin wins.

Good post.

[diddy]

Freedom we all know you of all people will be whining about the ref when Ward schools GGG so please kindly STFU up now, thanks. I'm taking a pre-emptive strike against your future bullshyt.

[diddy]

Golovkin is a bigger draw in California than Ward

The amount of market demand from the Californian audience allowed Gennady Golovkin to gain a $900K payday for his one-sided victory over the lightly-regarded Rubio.

The last time Andre Ward fought in California, he earned a $2m fight purse for facing the anonymous Edwin Rodriguez.

The question is this... if boxing is perceived to be a business, why did Andre Ward earn more than double the fight purse that Golovkin earned?

There's no denying that brand Golovkin is rapidly growing in size with each bout that Gennady competes in, but that hasn't translated into sizeable paydays... and I feel that most people would prefer to receive dollars than popularity!

Meh. Why let facts get in the way of a trolling argument?

[giacomino]

Golovkin is a bigger draw in California than Ward

The amount of market demand from the Californian audience allowed Gennady Golovkin to gain a $900K payday for his one-sided victory over the lightly-regarded Rubio.

The last time Andre Ward fought in California, he earned a $2m fight purse for facing the anonymous Edwin Rodriguez.

The question is this... if boxing is perceived to be a business, why did Andre Ward earn more than double the fight purse that Golovkin earned?

There's no denying that brand Golovkin is rapidly growing in size with each bout that Gennady competes in, but that hasn't translated into sizeable paydays... and I feel that most people would prefer to receive dollars than popularity!

Meh. Why let facts get in the way of a trolling argument?

And yet Tunney/Freedom has more than 40 responses. Tunney wannabe Chepppaaa has three trolling posts today with barely 30 total responses. Winner and still champion ......

[crusader]

Payment doesn't always correspond with how big of a draw someone is. Do people not think that a fighter can be overpaid relative to their drawing power?

[diddy]

Payment doesn't always correspond with how big of a draw someone is. Do people not think that a fighter can be overpaid relative to their drawing power?

Em would you rather be a bigger draw and make less cash, or a smaller draw and make more cash.

Take your time on this one...

[crusader]

Are you being obtuse? That has nothing to do with my point.

I think in most cases people would typically go for the larger payday, but again, that wasn't the point. The attendance for Ward's last fight was only about 4.5k, and I'm curious to see how the TV ratings for that bout compare to those for GGG-Rubio.

[diddy]

Are you being obtuse? That has nothing to do with my point.

I think in most cases people would typically go for the larger payday, but again, that wasn't the point. The attendance for Ward's last fight was only about 4.5k, and I'm curious to see how the TV ratings for that bout compare to those for GGG-Rubio.

Typically?

[crusader]

Yes, typically.

[diddy]

Yes, typically.

No, always.

Money always comes first.

We arent talking about falling in love with a woman.

We are talking about the reason guys fight. For a prize. They are prize fighters. It's always about the $.

[tiny_acres]

Yes, typically.

No, always.

Money always comes first.

We arent talking about falling in love with a woman.

We are talking about the reason guys fight. For a prize. They are prize fighters. It's always about the $.

It is a job to these guys.Money matters.Those that say it does not are kidding themselves.