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I know this my sound a little off key, but I can see both fighters coming in a little off their game and this ending in a draw... Just a funny feeling I have..

Datsue wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:The problem isn't the fight. It's the fact that Khan is being pushed as a possible Floyd opponent and this fight should not earn him that opportunity.

Whereas losing to Devon & then beating Adrien Fuckin' Broner in his second fight at the weight qualifies you for two consecutive fights with Floyd?

Well done. Well done indeed.

Folk weren't too keen on Maidana for Floyd either though.

oh wow...Robert Guerrero may have royally fvcked Khan by not taking the fight

Rodian wrote:oh wow...Robert Guerrero may have royally fvcked Khan by not taking the fight

? How could Guerrero not take the fight if he wasn't even offered the fight? He claims it was actually kind of funny that Khan kept throwing his name out there as a potential opponent but no one from Khan's team even talked to him or his team.

Datsue wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:The problem isn't the fight. It's the fact that Khan is being pushed as a possible Floyd opponent and this fight should not earn him that opportunity.

Whereas losing to Devon & then beating Adrien Fuckin' Broner in his second fight at the weight qualifies you for two consecutive fights with Floyd?

Well done. Well done indeed.

But you forgot to mention he also beat josesito lopez, angel martinez (who?) and soto karass at the weight.
I think Thurman should get the floyd fight because he beat soto karass in a much more impressive manner than Maidana.

Emil wrote:

Datsue wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:The problem isn't the fight. It's the fact that Khan is being pushed as a possible Floyd opponent and this fight should not earn him that opportunity.

Whereas losing to Devon & then beating Adrien Fuckin' Broner in his second fight at the weight qualifies you for two consecutive fights with Floyd?

Well done. Well done indeed.

But you forgot to mention he also beat josesito lopez, angel martinez (who?) and soto karass at the weight.
I think Thurman should get the floyd fight because he beat soto karass in a much more impressive manner than Maidana.

It's almost as thrilling as the heady days when beating up Andre Berto meant you were qualified for a Floyd fight. I'm glad they dispensed with that "logic" before we were served the prospect of Mayweather vs Soto-Karass...

This is a top fight. 50-50. Speedsters generally hate fighting other speedsters. Both are quick gentleman. Can go either way.

I am quite excited about this fight. I really like Khan, not many more exciting in the World in my opinion. Alexander is a good technician, but Khan will be a bit too quick. Whoever loses this fight is probably done. Would love to see Khan go for a belt instead of chasing Mayweather down.

Batley18 wrote:I am quite excited about this fight. I really like Khan, not many more exciting in the World in my opinion. Alexander is a good technician, but Khan will be a bit too quick. Whoever loses this fight is probably done. Would love to see Khan go for a belt instead of chasing Mayweather down.

Alexander is 27 and has lost two fights in his career, both by decision. If he loses another decision, how exactly would that make him "done", especially if it's a competitive fight? Should athletes really give up so easily on their careers?

It's almost as thrilling as the heady days when beating up Andre Berto meant you were qualified for a Floyd fight. I'm glad they dispensed with that "logic" before we were served the prospect of Mayweather vs Soto-Karass...[/quote]

Its easy to make a statement about Berto now like that, but the fact is before he was beaten by Ortiz, he was undefeated, held his belt for 2 or 3 years, and was ranked in the top 3 by ring magazine. After the loss Berto beat (stopped) unbeaten Zaveck for another belt (IBF), and Guerrero took that from him. Both Ortiz and Guerrero were under-dogs. Many say Guerrero didn't deserve the Floyd fight, but he did beat a top ten unbeaten guy (Aydin) after a 15 month layoff and jumping up two weights. When he beat Berto he was still ranked high as well, and only had one loss.

So yes, we can now call Berto a former gatekeeper, but at the time it wasn't like that.

Badhusker wrote: Its easy to make a statement about Berto now like that, but the fact is before he was beaten by Ortiz, he was undefeated, held his belt for 2 or 3 years, and was ranked in the top 3 by ring magazine. After the loss Berto beat (stopped) unbeaten Zaveck for another belt (IBF), and Guerrero took that from him. Both Ortiz and Guerrero were under-dogs. Many say Guerrero didn't deserve the Floyd fight, but he did beat a top ten unbeaten guy (Aydin) after a 15 month layoff and jumping up two weights. When he beat Berto he was still ranked high as well, and only had one loss.

So yes, we can now call Berto a former gatekeeper, but at the time it wasn't like that.

Berto became a gatekeeper, but before that he was an overhyped plastic champion with glaring faults that were never corrected.

For reasons I couldn't possibly speculate on, beating him was used as leverage to propel rather bog-standard fighters into major PPV events, & doofuses lapped it up without bitching because, by & by, they're doofuses.

I've been fvcking dissing Berto for years & so has anyone with an ounce of objectivity. Gifted a title & defended it exclusively against numpties & non-threatening veterans for vast piles of money.

Let's not be all fcking revisionist now, please, & wax fvkcing nostalgic about him, or I'll have to try to dig out a Maxboxing forum thread from 2011-ish where I tear him a new one.

Berto qualified you for a shot at Mayweather as long as you were moving up in weight and weren't that athletically gifted. And had a style that Mayweather was comfortable with. Then beating Berto or barely scarping by him was enough.

Ezzard wrote:Berto qualified you for a shot at Mayweather as long as you were moving up in weight and weren't that athletically gifted. And had a style that Mayweather was comfortable with. Then beating Berto or barely scarping by him was enough.

I look forward to the next fighter to defeat Adrien Broner getting a FM date, too, as long as whoever does it isn't too devastating...

If Berto was an over-hyped plastic champion that had glaring faults that were never corrected, what is your professional opinion of Amir Khan? Do you think he is worthy of a fight with Mayweather, even beating Alexander, over Thurman, Porter, and Brook?

Badhusker wrote:If Berto was an over-hyped plastic champion that had glaring faults that were never corrected, what is your professional opinion of Amir Khan? Do you think he is worthy of a fight with Mayweather, even beating Alexander, over Thurman, Porter, and Brook?

I'm not a professional, I'm an enthusiastic amateur.

Khan has a solid resume in the division below, multiple title belts & several defences. He's hardly been protected to the same level that Berto was, has he? Actually, I'll answer that for you 'cos I fear your brain doesn't work right: he hasn't been protected to the level that Berto was (& also, not fed to the dogs once he started losing like Berto was, but that's a rant for another day).

Who has Thurman beaten, exactly, to warrant a shot? Yes, he's exciting. He's also raw as fvck. Let him fight Bundu, which still won't be as good as an Alexander win (should Amir achieve this).

Porter's wins over Malignaggi & Alexander mean he was established in the division, but then he got turned over by Brook. Brook has only beaten Porter, really.

Based purely on form (saying Khan gets past Devon), then Khan/Brook are top-flight opponents for Mayweather, with Porter's lustre somewhat diminished following his loss.

But I'd not complain about any of them. Thurman, I wouldn't complain about either, but I'd point out it's a hollow choice based purely on the fact that he can hit, as he really hasn't done fornicate-all at any kinda level as yet imo.

& fornicate this "worthy" bullshit. I'm talking about whether it represents an appreciable challenge. I don't know from "worthy".

The Great John L wrote:

Batley18 wrote:I am quite excited about this fight. I really like Khan, not many more exciting in the World in my opinion. Alexander is a good technician, but Khan will be a bit too quick. Whoever loses this fight is probably done. Would love to see Khan go for a belt instead of chasing Mayweather down.

Alexander is 27 and has lost two fights in his career, both by decision. If he loses another decision, how exactly would that make him "done", especially if it's a competitive fight? Should athletes really give up so easily on their careers?

Fighters seem to be 'done' earlier and earlier these days in some fans minds. It's gonna get to the point where some fans will be saying a fighter is washed up once he hit's 25 : /

Datsue wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If Berto was an over-hyped plastic champion that had glaring faults that were never corrected, what is your professional opinion of Amir Khan? Do you think he is worthy of a fight with Mayweather, even beating Alexander, over Thurman, Porter, and Brook?

I'm not a professional, I'm an enthusiastic amateur.

Khan has a solid resume in the division below, multiple title belts & several defences. He's hardly been protected to the same level that Berto was, has he? Actually, I'll answer that for you 'cos I fear your brain doesn't work right: he hasn't been protected to the level that Berto was (& also, not fed to the dogs once he started losing like Berto was, but that's a rant for another day).

Who has Thurman beaten, exactly, to warrant a shot? Yes, he's exciting. He's also raw as fvck. Let him fight Bundu, which still won't be as good as an Alexander win (should Amir achieve this).

Porter's wins over Malignaggi & Alexander mean he was established in the division, but then he got turned over by Brook. Brook has only beaten Porter, really.

Based purely on form (saying Khan gets past Devon), then Khan/Brook are top-flight opponents for Mayweather, with Porter's lustre somewhat diminished following his loss.

But I'd not complain about any of them. Thurman, I wouldn't complain about either, but I'd point out it's a hollow choice based purely on the fact that he can hit, as he really hasn't done fornicate-all at any kinda level as yet imo.

& eff this "worthy" bullshit. I'm talking about whether it represents an appreciable challenge. I don't know from "worthy".

I actually think that Thurman does have some decent boxing and particularily counter punching ability. I don't think he's purely a puncher so to speak.

lefty wrote:

Datsue wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If Berto was an over-hyped plastic champion that had glaring faults that were never corrected, what is your professional opinion of Amir Khan? Do you think he is worthy of a fight with Mayweather, even beating Alexander, over Thurman, Porter, and Brook?

I'm not a professional, I'm an enthusiastic amateur.

Khan has a solid resume in the division below, multiple title belts & several defences. He's hardly been protected to the same level that Berto was, has he? Actually, I'll answer that for you 'cos I fear your brain doesn't work right: he hasn't been protected to the level that Berto was (& also, not fed to the dogs once he started losing like Berto was, but that's a rant for another day).

Who has Thurman beaten, exactly, to warrant a shot? Yes, he's exciting. He's also raw as fvck. Let him fight Bundu, which still won't be as good as an Alexander win (should Amir achieve this).

Porter's wins over Malignaggi & Alexander mean he was established in the division, but then he got turned over by Brook. Brook has only beaten Porter, really.

Based purely on form (saying Khan gets past Devon), then Khan/Brook are top-flight opponents for Mayweather, with Porter's lustre somewhat diminished following his loss.

But I'd not complain about any of them. Thurman, I wouldn't complain about either, but I'd point out it's a hollow choice based purely on the fact that he can hit, as he really hasn't done fornicate-all at any kinda level as yet imo.

& eff this "worthy" bullshit. I'm talking about whether it represents an appreciable challenge. I don't know from "worthy".

I actually think that Thurman does have some decent boxing and particularily counter punching ability. I don't think he's purely a puncher so to speak.

True, but it's not his counter-punching that in some fans' "minds" means he's worth a Mayweather fight, is it? & he's hardly shown second-coming of JMM-esque counter-punching, come to that...

This time last year Khan was ducking Alexander and now Alexander isn't a good enough opponent and he's ducking Guerrero.... I'm sure if Khan loses to Alexander we'll hear the cheers of 'I told you he sucked' go up from his detractors and if he wins we'll hear the same tired people blather on about how he needs to fight x, y and z before he's allowed to fight Mayweather. Meanwhile the Danny Garcias of the boxing world will get a much deserved round of applause for beating on Rod Salka and everyone will cheer them on to a 12 round unanimous points loss against Floyd, in a division they've never fought in. Business as usual.

Khan will probably out work Alexander on the night and get the nod.

Neither are future champions.

I think Khan takes this in a tough and sometimes ugly affair.

Both very good fighters (not sure what I'm reading sometimes in regards to Alexander) but I think Khan has the edge in speed and the style suits him well enough to pull it out.

Berto sucks, Soto-Karass sucks, Guerrero sucks, 99.98% of fighters at 140-147 are frauds. They are barely even professional fighters.*

*I just wanted to fit in, and thought we were having a game of "let's overact".

Datsue wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If Berto was an over-hyped plastic champion that had glaring faults that were never corrected, what is your professional opinion of Amir Khan? Do you think he is worthy of a fight with Mayweather, even beating Alexander, over Thurman, Porter, and Brook?

I'm not a professional, I'm an enthusiastic amateur.

Khan has a solid resume in the division below, multiple title belts & several defences. He's hardly been protected to the same level that Berto was, has he? Actually, I'll answer that for you 'cos I fear your brain doesn't work right: he hasn't been protected to the level that Berto was (& also, not fed to the dogs once he started losing like Berto was, but that's a rant for another day).

Who has Thurman beaten, exactly, to warrant a shot? Yes, he's exciting. He's also raw as fvck. Let him fight Bundu, which still won't be as good as an Alexander win (should Amir achieve this).

Porter's wins over Malignaggi & Alexander mean he was established in the division, but then he got turned over by Brook. Brook has only beaten Porter, really.

Based purely on form (saying Khan gets past Devon), then Khan/Brook are top-flight opponents for Mayweather, with Porter's lustre somewhat diminished following his loss.

But I'd not complain about any of them. Thurman, I wouldn't complain about either, but I'd point out it's a hollow choice based purely on the fact that he can hit, as he really hasn't done fornicate-all at any kinda level as yet imo.

& eff this "worthy" bullshit. I'm talking about whether it represents an appreciable challenge. I don't know from "worthy".

Khan has a solid resume in the division below Yes, and one half-way decent win against a guy that is clearly past his best and has been for years - Collazo. Khan has not established himself at the weight even.

Who has Thurman beaten, exactly, to warrant a shot? For starters, he KO'd the guy that Khan struggled life and death with, and put Khan on his ass plus hurting him a few times besides that. That fight could have went easily either way. This was a "welter" fight, where Khan made him cut o 142 or 143.

Based purely on form (saying Khan gets past Devon), then Khan/Brook are top-flight opponents for Mayweather
Based purely on form? Seriously? lmao! The winner is slightly now below Porter, who is below Brook. Give me a fornicating break.

Your opinion is as good as anyone's, but try to keep your opinion based on facts, instead of your love/hate of certain fighters.

Bobbyptsd wrote:I think Khan takes this in a tough and sometimes ugly affair.

Both very good fighters (not sure what I'm reading sometimes in regards to Alexander) but I think Khan has the edge in speed and the style suits him well enough to pull it out.

Berto sucks, Soto-Karass sucks, Guerrero sucks, 99.98% of fighters at 140-147 are frauds. They are barely even professional fighters.*

*I just wanted to fit in, and thought we were having a game of "let's overact".

good post. i agree it may well end up a lot uglier a matchup than some people would assume with 2 'boxers' involved. chances of a big headclash'n'cut are quite high here, IMO

This would have been better with a poll. I am leaning towards a close win by Alexander..

Can someone tell me how the idea that Khan would challenge Floyd started?

I don't know why people think Khan is some master boxer. He struggled against Julio Diaz, and didn't adapt to Garcia's hooks.