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rio wrote:

Wa1nuts wrote:

Ettt9350 wrote:Froch v Groves 1
Degale v Gonzalez
Chisora v Scott
Selby v Munroe

None of these fights would have been stopped in America, and rightly so.

Scott didn't get up on ten, so the ref was right to stop it??? His own fault, and as we seen against Wilder, he obviously didn't want to be in there.

No....he got up on 9. Nobody told him they had changed to rules from a 10 count to a 9 count and he left it to late

The rules say a boxer can be counted out in the act of rising, this is what happened here. He started to rise at 9 but didnt make it up and in a position to continue before the out. 9, out not 9, 10, out. He shouldn't have left it so late anyway if he was ok like he said he was. The guy didn't want to carry on so used the ref as his excuse

British rules say that a boxer is considered down "until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself" (end of Reg 3.32(1)) and is still down when he is "in the act of rising" (Reg 3.32(1)(d)). See http://www.bbbofc.com/documentation and click on "Rules of Boxing". So the test (at least in Britain) is not simply "has he got up?" but "is he in a position and a condition to defend himself?", i.e. has he got up AND shown he is fit and ready to box on.

Scott was still rising when he was counted out, so I think the controversy was misdirected. The issue with the stoppage for me is that the referee counts 7........8.......9..out, as if he sped up when he saw that Scott was rising.

That said, I think there's also a good chance that Scott left the count so late so he could get out of the fight but partially save face by having something to complain about; I also think this is what Rubio did against GGG and although less clear I have suspicions that Roberto Ortiz did likewise against Lucas M.

Boxerbeetle wrote:The IJL stoppage of Maccarinelli in the first Ovill fight was probably the worst premature stoppage I've ever seen.

It's the worst I can recall seeing.

lets be fair how many times do refs wave off a fight before the other guy under pressure got a chance of firing back ?
That ginger ref H J Foster is the worst for me ...waves it off before he can get chance

Scott waited till 9 to attempt to get up. He did not want to be in there against Chisora.

That's the thing about Dereck. He has no real concussive power but is so relentless with his pressure and good hand speed he eventually just knocks the fight out of opponents.

olij999 wrote:British rules say that a boxer is considered down "until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself" (end of Reg 3.32(1)) and is still down when he is "in the act of rising" (Reg 3.32(1)(d)). See http://www.bbbofc.com/documentation and click on "Rules of Boxing". So the test (at least in Britain) is not simply "has he got up?" but "is he in a position and a condition to defend himself?", i.e. has he got up AND shown he is fit and ready to box on.

CiganoBoxer wrote:lets be fair how many times do refs wave off a fight before the other guy under pressure got a chance of firing back ?
That ginger ref H J Foster is the worst for me ...waves it off before he can get chance

Mousey blond actually

Howard Foster wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:lets be fair how many times do refs wave off a fight before the other guy under pressure got a chance of firing back ?
That ginger ref H J Foster is the worst for me ...waves it off before he can get chance

Mousey blond actually

Lol

Howard Foster wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:lets be fair how many times do refs wave off a fight before the other guy under pressure got a chance of firing back ?
That ginger ref H J Foster is the worst for me ...waves it off before he can get chance

Mousey blond actually

Thought it looked a bit more strawberry blonde.

Floatlikeabutterfly wrote:

Howard Foster wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:lets be fair how many times do refs wave off a fight before the other guy under pressure got a chance of firing back ?
That ginger ref H J Foster is the worst for me ...waves it off before he can get chance

Mousey blond actually

Thought it looked a bit more strawberry blonde.

yeah I'll take that then

A meaningful contribution from Howard Foster.

Good to see British referees taking concerns over fairplay seriously.

Howard Foster wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:lets be fair how many times do refs wave off a fight before the other guy under pressure got a chance of firing back ?
That ginger ref H J Foster is the worst for me ...waves it off before he can get chance

Mousey blond actually

In your dreams boy

[quote="Tuan_Jim"]I can only sigh at the way openly corrupt, wholly inconsistent referees are let off the hook because someone can trot out a brainless cliché like: 'It is better to stop a fight too soon than too late'.

Interesting analysis. Please name some names

Tuan_Jim wrote:A meaningful contribution from Howard Foster.

Good to see British referees taking concerns over fairplay seriously.

to be fair no ref in his right mind is gonna come on here and start debating his actions with the likes of us, besides its a cliche but theyve got a bloody tough job to do and can see an awful lot that we cant such body and eye movement, its a split second get it wrong and you live with it forever.

Khan v Prescott
Cleverly v Kovalev
Buglioni v Khomitsky
Bruno v Bonecrusher Smith
Alex Arthur v Gomez

Sorry, my mistake. These were not stopped early and walking back to corner assistance was given (as you do) because the home fighter was the one in trouble.