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lefty wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:Could Hopkins beat him? Yes. Will he? No. He's too old, and lost against lesser fighters. He didn't look good against Murat, and Shumenov was a damn joke. If Kovalev doesn't KO him, he will win a decision. Can Hopkins make it difficult? Sure. Will he? We will see.

Who are the lesser fighters you're talking about that he lost to?

Even recently, I'll say Pascal and Dawson are more proven than Kovalev is.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:B-Hop by technical decision robbery in an ugly fight with Kovalev being badly cut over both eyes by Hopkins head butts.

JDJ has thought of it. Team Kovalev are coming into this with a plan to combat Hopkins' roughousing. The plan will be, don't even give him the chance to get in range. Kovalev gets his punishing shots off from mid range and stops Hopkins before the eighth round.

It's going to be interesting to see if Bernard gives the guy credit afterwards. He's always struck me as a pretty bad loser

Letting Hopkins stay on the outside would be equally bad as Kovalev would then have to be forced to close the distance on taller and longer Hopkins giving Hopkins too much time to think. Kovalev isn't fast of feet.

Closing the distance won't be a problem for him. Guy is a predator, he cuts off the ring for fun. Hopkins=headless chicken in this one.

IKSRTFO wrote:

lefty wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:Could Hopkins beat him? Yes. Will he? No. He's too old, and lost against lesser fighters. He didn't look good against Murat, and Shumenov was a damn joke. If Kovalev doesn't KO him, he will win a decision. Can Hopkins make it difficult? Sure. Will he? We will see.

Who are the lesser fighters you're talking about that he lost to?

Even recently, I'll say Pascal and Dawson are more proven than Kovalev is.

Yes, Dawson is proven to not be an elite fighter.

ikorolev wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

lefty wrote: Who are the lesser fighters you're talking about that he lost to?

Even recently, I'll say Pascal and Dawson are more proven than Kovalev is.

Yes, Dawson is proven to not be an elite fighter.

To be fair, it's only since going down in weight to fight Ward that Dawson has looked like shit.

Interesting how many posters are already disparaging Hopkins' upcoming victory by whining that he will intentionally head butt, low blow, hold and elbow the Russian into submission.
It's the only way he could possibly come out on top, many of you contend, along with the help of a biased GBP and a referee who will naturally side with Hopkins.
It appears that many of you have learned from boxers that it's always important to prepare an excuse.

Of course Hopkins could never win this bout on the square. He's some stiff, while Kovey is a 175 lb. combination of Archie Moore, Bob Foster and Billy Conn. A light-heavyweight who can punch like Foreman and box like Robinson.
No light-heavy in history compares to this foreign phenom. A prime Michael Spinks would prefer a rematch with Tyson rather than face this dreaded Russian juggernaut.

Get real. Hopkins is an ATG who will toy with the inexperienced Kovalev, a fighter who has never gone past 8 rounds, or been in with a foe as remotely skilled as The Executioner.
Hopkins has disarmed big punchers before---Echols (twice), Trinidad, Pavlik, Tarver. Yeah, yeah, I know, I've heard the reptitious mantra--none of those guys were light-heavyweights. Kovalev is a monster.
Well, Hopkins isn't losing sleep over some "monster" plodder who will repeatedly come right at him, load up and miss and get countered into oblivion all night long.

And to demonstrate what a cerebral fighter he is, Kovalev admits that he doesn't even have a backup Plan B in case he discovers that he bit off a little too much.
Such an admission indicates that Kovalev is either:
Lying.
Lacks ring creativity (disastrous when facing the incredibly savvy Hopkins) or
Acquired George Foreman Syndrome fueled by delusions that he only needs to land a couple punches and the night is over.

Here's a flash: Kovalev won't come close to halting Hopkins, a guy who's been at it for 25 years against the best of multiple eras, and has never been stopped.
This fight features a consummate professional (and a Philly fighter to boot) against a guy with a lengthy amateur career and a short professional resume dotted with nothing but amateur-quality opponents.
Sorry all you Kovalev groupies, but feasting on Darnell Boone (barely) Cedric Agnew, Nathan Cleverly and Blake Caparello will never prepare him for the ring master who is Bernard Hopkins.

Kovalev goes down Saturday, and it will be embarrassing
And just think---many of you, months ago, were certain that a terrified Hopkins would pull out of this fight by now, so frightened was he at the thought of facing the dreaded Russian Krusher.
After Saturday night, it will be Kovalev who'll wish that Hopkins had actually taken your advice. After the beating Hopkins puts on him, Kovey, like the over-hyped Pavlik, will never be the same.

This is one of the most intriguing fights of the year, if not thee most intriguing.

SenorPipino wrote: Sorry all you Kovalev groupies, but feasting on Darnell Boone (barely) Cedric Agnew, Nathan Cleverly and Blake Caparello will never prepare him for the ring master who is Bernard Hopkins.

You conveniently omitted Campillo who is a technician like Hopkins and beat Cloud and Shumenov more convincingly then Hopkins. You also forget to mention that recent incarnation of Hopkins lost to Dawson, was dropped multiple times by Pascal and did not look all that ATG against Murat and Shumenov, both boxers skillwise several levels below Kovalev. Dismissing Kov as just a puncher is ridiculous and only show you bias. So, sorry but it is yourself who comes across as a groupie here.

BTW whats a juggernaut? Is that an Argonauts long lost brother?

Tarkus wrote:

SenorPipino wrote: Sorry all you Kovalev groupies, but feasting on Darnell Boone (barely) Cedric Agnew, Nathan Cleverly and Blake Caparello will never prepare him for the ring master who is Bernard Hopkins.

You conveniently omitted Campillo who is a technician like Hopkins and beat Cloud and Shumenov more convincingly then Hopkins. You also forget to mention that recent incarnation of Hopkins lost to Dawson, was dropped multiple times by Pascal and did not look all that ATG against Murat and Shumenov, bot boxer several levels below Kovalev. Dismissing Kov as just a puncher is ridiculous and only show you bias. So, sorry but it is yourself who comes across as a groupie here.

BTW whats a juggernaut? Is that an Argonauts long lost brother?

Campillo isnt on Hopkins level, sorry. He's a top ten light heavy but no more than that I dont believe.

lefty wrote:Campillo isnt on Hopkins level, sorry. He's a top ten light heavy but no more than that I dont believe.

Why not? He looked better, at least no worse, against the same opposition and only lost to Kovalev. In what way the current BHop performed better then the current Campillo?

Riddick Blowe wrote: Closing the distance won't be a problem for him. Guy is a predator, he cuts off the ring for fun. Hopkins=headless chicken in this one.

A predator against C fighters. Hopkins might be old as heck, but his boxing mind is still sharp and will see Kovalev coming a mile away.

ikorolev wrote:
Yes, Dawson is proven to not be an elite fighter.

More proven than current Kovalev

IKSRTFO wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote: Closing the distance won't be a problem for him. Guy is a predator, he cuts off the ring for fun. Hopkins=headless chicken in this one.

A predator against C fighters. Hopkins might be old as heck, but his boxing mind is still sharp and will see Kovalev coming a mile away.

Would you say that most of Hopkins' recent wins have been over 'C fighters' as well? After all, Shumenov and Cloud both needed gifts to beat Campillo and Clev battered Murat.

Pascal and Dawson aren't C-level fighters, but Hopkins won only one of four bouts against them.

Tarkus wrote:

SenorPipino wrote: Sorry all you Kovalev groupies, but feasting on Darnell Boone (barely) Cedric Agnew, Nathan Cleverly and Blake Caparello will never prepare him for the ring master who is Bernard Hopkins.

You conveniently omitted Campillo who is a technician like Hopkins and beat Cloud and Shumenov more convincingly then Hopkins. You also forget to mention that recent incarnation of Hopkins lost to Dawson, was dropped multiple times by Pascal and did not look all that ATG against Murat and Shumenov, both boxers skillwise several levels below Kovalev. Dismissing Kov as just a puncher is ridiculous and only show you bias. So, sorry but it is yourself who comes across as a groupie here.

BTW whats a juggernaut? Is that an Argonauts long lost brother?

If placing the ordinary Campillo on the same level as Hopkins makes you feel more secure, then go ahead, do it. You have my permission.
I have a feeling that even Campillo (or Guapo Chico as one of his fanboys refers to him) would laugh at the inane comparison.

If you want to dissect every punch and blow that Hopkins has taken in recent years, you also have my permission to do that.
It means nothing except to assuage your growing doubts about Kovey's chances of defeating a legend.

In 10 years time, Kovalev will be remembered only by some vodka-chugging Russian boxing fanatics.
Hopkins will be revered as among the sports' most unforgetable and accomplished figures.

It's Chico Guapo, pip.

He wasn't as good as Hopkins, but he was better than Cloud and Shumenov, both of whom needed gifts to beat him. Despite this it seems to me like Hopkins has received more credit for outpointing the latter pair than Kovalev has for quickly destroying a man who got the better of them.

Hopkins is gonna beat the unbeatable Kovalev this weekend. Punches in bunches beats BHop, Kovalev will fight at BHop's pace.

Unbeatable? Look at this poll, or perhaps the media poll that favored Hopkins.

crusader wrote:Unbeatable? Look at this poll, or perhaps the media poll that favored Hopkins.

Sarcasm for the guys that jerk off to Kovalev and say he would ko Ward, and everyone else.

SenorPipino wrote: If you want to dissect every punch and blow that Hopkins has taken in recent years, you also have my permission to do that.
It means nothing except to assuage your growing doubts about Kovey's chances of defeating a legend.

In 10 years time, Kovalev will be remembered only by some vodka-chugging Russian boxing fanatics.
Hopkins will be revered as among the sports' most unforgetable and accomplished figures.

Bigotry and personal attack based on baseless assumptions seems to be a your main staple. If one discredits Hopkins opposition it must be insecurity. When you discredit Kovalevs opposition which was considerably better then Hopkins recent opposition thats OK. Fanboy, groupie have you got other term to describes yourself.

how is Kovalev's opp better than BHop's????? r u serious haha

I'm not blaming Kovalev.......Superman ran like he stole something but gimme a break.

SenorPipino wrote:Blah blah blah.

Will you give credit to Kovalev after he krushes Hopkins?

Riddick Blowe wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Blah blah blah.

Will you give credit to Kovalev after he krushes Hopkins?

How can you give a credit to a plodder, unless you are a drunken Russian. Surely the time would caught up with a legend.

Nobody deserves credit for beating 50 year old men.

Kovalev is in his prime fighting an ancient, blown up middleweight who can't KO anybody.

He's supposed to win this fight period.

Credit should be given based on how good an opponent is, not how old they are. Hopkins is ancient in boxing terms but he's still a good fighter.

crusader wrote:Credit should be given based on how good an opponent is, not how old they are. Hopkins is ancient in boxing terms but he's still a good fighter.

To a point.
When a boxer reaches an age where he starts getting credit for wins largely due to his age then credit given for defeating that boxer has to be reduced.
He gets far more credit for wins over the Clouds, Pavliks and Pascals than any prime, natural light heavyweight would get just due to being 40+
A prime, natural light heavyweight would have been bashed across the board just for accepting a fight with the middleweight Pavlik and certainly would have gotten zero credit for beating him. As I recall it didn't work that way for the 40-something Hopkins.

The age thing works both ways if we have to hear about it every single time he wins then it must mean something when he loses too.
Can't talk about what a big deal it is when the old man wins then act like anyone that beats him didn't just beat an old man.
This man's prime was in late 90's two divisions south of where he is now.............................Kovalev is supposed to win this fight period.

Pascal is an elite fighter though, so beating him would be a big credit for anybody.