HOPKINS PULLS THE 'RACE CARD' AGAIN...

[Prediction...Pain]

[Baby Face Finster]

Let's get real. Hopkins never became a huge PPV star because of his personality and looks.....not his race. The guy is ugly as sin. There is no way DLH would have achieved the levels of stardom that he did if he was as ugly as Bernard is. That is simply the way the world works, pretty people get more attention. The only way Bernard could have become a huge star with the way he looks is if he was a KO machine and had drama outside the ring the way Tyson did.

[The Great John L]

Let's get real. Hopkins never became a huge PPV star because of his personality and looks.....not his race. The guy is ugly as sin. There is no way DLH would have achieved the levels of stardom that he did if he was as ugly as Bernard is. That is simply the way the world works, pretty people get more attention. The only way Bernard could have become a huge star with the way he looks is if he was a KO machine and had drama outside the ring the way Tyson did.

It's hard to argue with that.

[Freedom2013]

Rocky Marciano (29) vs. Jersey Joe Walcott (38)
• Rocky Marciano (29) vs. Jersey Joe Walcott (39)
• Rocky Marciano (30) vs. Joe Louis (39)
• Rocky Marciano (30) vs. Ezzard Charles (32)
• Rocky Marciano (31) vs. Ezzard Charles (33)
• Rocky Marciano (32) vs. Archie Moore (38)

Actually it was Rocky Marciano (30) vs. Joe Louis (37). Marciano fighting Louis on his way up was no different than Louis fighting several faded former champs and contenders on his way up.

And there wasn't much difference in Charles' and Marciano's ages.

What about Muhammed Ali (22) vs. Archie Moore (46)? Oh, I shouldn't dare mention it, or licktheballs will come in and demand I be banned.

Rocky Marciano (30) vs. Roland LaStarza (27)
Rocky Marciano (29) vs. Bernie Reynolds (28)
Rocky Marciano (28) vs. Rex Layne (23)
Rocky Marciano (29) vs. Gino Buonvino (28)

Or do you consider those opponents genetically inferior because they were white?

Decades later… and it’s only with the benefit of hindsight and a monumental shift in society’s outlook on religion and race, have people truly realised the actual reason behind Marciano’s perceived “success” – it was because he was white....

Nonsense, he was a great fighter who fought the best of his era and retired undefeated. If he had been black and had exactly the same accomplishments, you'd hold him in the highest esteem.

Coming to these boxing forums back in 2006 was quite a shock. What I found is a lot of people like yourself who believe white boxers are genetically inferior (which is what Hopkins said a few days ago in his ESPN interview).

There doesn’t seem to be any evidence to suggest that Wladimir Klitschko is struggling to cope with the advances of age, as he seems capable of fighting until his early forties, whilst his brother (Vitali) didn’t announce his retirement from the sport until he reached 41 years of age.

No, they've aged too. Just because people live longer due to vaccines, chemo and other treatments for various illnesses doesn't mean they are young at 40. Most boxers are slowing down at 35 like they always were.

I can see Wlad has slowed down with age, but is still better than the competition. Vitali would have KOed opponents like Chisora and Sosnowski in an early round in his prime (2001-2004). If Vitali and Wlad were African-Americans, you'd see them as great heavyweights instead of genetically inferior.

[KBB]

Racism does still exist, but nowadays in the USA it's against whites not blacks.

Are you saying that there are no longer any racial prejudices against blacks in the US?

No there isn't, even the US president (who was elected to a second term) is black.

The only racism nowadays is against whites. If a black cop shoots a white person breaking the law, there's no outrage. But if a white cop shoots a black person breaking the law, the media will stir the public up to have demonstrations and even riots.

Although there was a time when black people were discriminated against, nowadays in the USA there's more and more examples of "black privilege". You can't get into a university with poor grades in high school if you're white, but you can if you're black. If you're black, you can be less qualified and score lower on a test than the white applicants, but you'll get the job instead ("affirmative action").

It's funny how the people who are racists magnify their bigoted and racists behaviors in the form of wordplay, Obama is White too but why is it that the bigots, hatemongers and racists only magnify the fact that he is black??

[Freedom2013]

It's funny how the people who are racists magnify their bigoted and racists behaviors in the form of wordplay, Obama is White too but why is it that the bigots, hatemongers and racists only magnify the fact that he is black??

I agree, they indeed do. It's because or their racist belief that blacks are superior.

People who had a black and a white parent will always identify as black. People don't want to be white, because whites are the ones who are discriminated against and shat on nowadays.

Some people even lie about their heritage because they don't want to be white. I remember Canadian singer Shania Twain said publically she was of Native heritage, but it turned out she was lying about it.

[The Great John L]

Coming to these boxing forums back in 2006 was quite a shock. What I found is a lot of people like yourself who believe white boxers are genetically inferior (which is what Hopkins said a few days ago in his ESPN interview).

I've been posting since '05 and I don't recall much discussion of white fighters being genetically inferior, so I guess I must have missed those posts. It's a good thing that you are here now to enlighten us on the realities of the world and society in general.

Thanks again, and please keep these informative posts coming.

[The Great John L]

People who had a black and a white parent will always identify as black. People don't want to be white, because whites are the ones who are discriminated against and shat on nowadays.

Or is it just possible that because when there are children of white/black couples the children are almost always darker and everybody else always identifies them as black? Obviously I'm not a sknowledgeable as you on these topics, but is that even remotely possible?

[Freedom2013]

Coming to these boxing forums back in 2006 was quite a shock. What I found is a lot of people like yourself who believe white boxers are genetically inferior (which is what Hopkins said a few days ago in his ESPN interview).

I've been posting since '05 and I don't recall much discussion of white fighters being genetically inferior, so I guess I must have missed those posts. It's a good thing that you are here now to enlighten us on the realities of the world and society in general.

Thanks again, and please keep these informative posts coming.

That's basically what Fergus was trying to prove in his post about Marciano in this thread.

Did you listen to what Hopkins said about "genetics" when he was explaining in the ESPN interview why his win over Pavlik was the most satisfying of his career? He wasn't as subtle about it as Fergus and the posters here who try to prove every non-black boxers is inferior, yet never state it directly.

[The Great John L]

Put it this way, I genuinely believe that a 50 year old light heavyweight version of Bernard Hopkins, who actually rehydrates to 186lbs, would easily defeat the 32 year old 188lb version of Rocky Marciano who defeated Archie Moore.

Hmmm, that's a pretty interesting statement, and one that I'm sure few would agree with. I like BHop and am amazed at what he's accomplished in his career, but Marciano fought nothing like anyone Bernard has ever seen. He would have had a very hard time slowing down a fight against Marciano to a pace where he would have been able to survive.

[Freedom2013]

Or is it just possible that because when there are children of white/black couples the children are almost always darker and everybody else always identifies them as black? Obviously I'm not a knowledgeable as you on these topics, but is that even remotely possible?

Or is it because they are proud of their black heritage, and ashamed of their white heritage?

Andre Ward always supports black athletes but never white and David Haye always supports black charities but never charities for everyone.

Back in the late 1950s, Malcolm X talked about black people hating themselves. What he said was true for black people at that time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSgUTWffMQ

But nowadays, the only people I find who are ashamed of their race are white people, everybody else is comfortable with who they are. What Malcolm X said is now true for white people.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Someone is going to have to explain to me what this 'race card' is all about. It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that it's a term used by white people to dismiss any discourse on issues of race that have been raised by black or ethnic minority peoples in a vain attempt to assure themselves, from their privileged position, that race shouldn't be an issue for anyone cus, ya know, I think black people are alright.

How close am I?

EXACTLY!

It's a way to dismiss any claim, either valid or invalid, so the topic doesn't get the attention it deserves ... and thus the problem continues.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Andre Ward always supports black athletes but never white and David Haye always supports black charities but never charities for everyone.

Back in the late 1950s, Malcolm X talked about black people hating themselves. What he said was true for black people at that time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSgUTWffMQ

But nowadays, the only people I find who are ashamed of their race are white people, everybody else is comfortable with who they are. What Malcolm X said is now true for white people.

In America, being part black, or at least enough that it is visible, puts you in with the black crowd. So, even though you are %50 black, you still get 100% of all the problems of black people ... so it's only natural to identify with the struggling group you're treated as.

As for the white people hating themselves point, you couldn't be more wrong. I think you and your buddies need to realize that a unified white race was a ploy designed by white royalty/wealthy to create problems among the poor. To this day, very wealthy white people want nothing to do with regular white people ... THEY HATE YOU TOO, a;ways have. But instead of realizing this, you people cling to your white identity and blame/hate the people who have the least. It provides comfort to you that there are people beneath you, so you focus on keeping them there.

I really feel bad for racists. Your hearts are dark places. I also feel bad for the racism deniers. You guys are too afraid to face the FACTS of the society you live in.

If Hopkins were an Italian or Jewish fighter, exact same career and fighting style, he would be one of the most popular people in America.

[The Great John L]

Put it this way, I genuinely believe that a 50 year old light heavyweight version of Bernard Hopkins, who actually rehydrates to 186lbs, would easily defeat the 32 year old 188lb version of Rocky Marciano who defeated Archie Moore.

As experienced as Bernard is, he's never fought anyone who fought anything like Marciano, and it's very unlikely Bernard would have been able to slow the pace against Marciano down to a pace where he would have even had a chance to survive.

[tiny_acres]

This is one topic I always try to stay away from.I do not understand racism in sport.
I have never judged an athlete on skin color.I judge them on talent.I cheer for them all.

[The Great John L]

This is one topic I always try to stay away from.I do not understand racism in sport.
I have never judged an athlete on skin color.I judge them on talent.I cheer for them all.

Yes, this is wise.

[handsofstone]

Fvcking Eskimo's its all their fault

[Freedom2013]

As for the white people hating themselves point, you couldn't be more wrong. I think you and your buddies need to realize that a unified white race was a ploy designed by white royalty/wealthy to create problems among the poor.

That seems like a conspiracy theory.

I'm not sure what you mean by "you and your buddies" - the only organization I belong to is a natural history society (we go on hikes in the local mountains and study birds and plants). You imagination has made me out to be something I'm not.

To this day, very wealthy white people want nothing to do with regular white people ... THEY HATE YOU TOO, always have.

That part I agree with. The wealthy people are comfortable in their mansions and gated communities, and really do despise ordinary working white people.

But instead of realizing this, you people cling to your white identity and blame/hate the people who have the least.

You have me figured all wrong. I blame weak-minded people of my own race for our decline. I don't hate people of other races at all, in fact I respect them far more than I respect the likes of you.

It provides comfort to you that there are people beneath you, so you focus on keeping them there.

I don't consider anybody to be "beneath" me, but I don't want to be beneath others either.

I really feel bad for racists. Your hearts are dark places.

I feel sorry for racists too, especially those like yourself who hate themselves.

I also feel bad for the racism deniers. You guys are too afraid to face the FACTS of the society you live in.

It's you who cannot face the ugly truth about the declining society in which you live. China is going to pull ahead of the USA in every way during the next few years, and the USA will become a much poorer country. Your comfortable little world is about to be shaken up.

If Hopkins were an Italian or Jewish fighter, exact same career and fighting style, he would be one of the most popular people in America.

No, he'd have been forced to retire long ago if he were Italian or Jewish.

I remember Max Kellerman hated Yuri Foreman's negative fighting style. An exciting Jewish boxer like Alexander Frenkel might have been popular if he's kept on fighting.

[Impractical Poster]

Wow freedom. For a while I didn't get why people labeled you a racist. I even asked why. I just thought you fancied European fighters. But now I see. You have a distorted view of the full reality of race. A damaging ideology.

[Freedom2013]

Wow freedom. For a while I didn't get why people labeled you a racist. I even asked why. I just thought you fancied European fighters. But now I see. You have a distorted view of the full reality of race. A damaging ideology.

Exactly what did I say that's racist? Exactly where did I disparage people of other races? If you believe that, you have a distorted view. You have a self-destructive idealogy.

The only people I really don't like is white trash. There used to be a nice Filipino couple living next door to me, they were decent, honest, sensible people and ideal neighbors. They moved out a couple of years ago and now I have hard-drinking, noisy, stupid self-destructive white losers who fight all the time living next door, terrible neighbors.

[Impractical Poster]

Wow freedom. For a while I didn't get why people labeled you a racist. I even asked why. I just thought you fancied European fighters. But now I see. You have a distorted view of the full reality of race. A damaging ideology.

Exactly what did I say that's racist? Exactly where did I disparage people of other races? If you believe that, you have a distorted view. You have a self-destructive idealogy.

The only people I really don't like is white trash. There used to be a nice Filipino couple living next door to me, they were decent, honest, sensible people and ideal neighbors. They moved out a couple of years ago and now I have hard-drinking, noisy, stupid self-destructive white losers who fight all the time living next door, terrible neighbors.

You believe whites are the victim now. That is a racist outlook. You stated that there is no racism towards blacks any longer. That is just pure ignorance.

What Bernard stated is off the mark...completely. But the things you state are as well. You are not a victim, Freedom. Get over it.

[jockpunk]

It is ridiculous to think that if hopkins was anything other than black that he would be some sort of mainstream super star. Boxing is a niche sport. There is litterally one, maybe two fighters that that average, non fight fan male knows. His lack of popularity has little to do with his race, but much more to do with the sport in which he participates, his pesonality, fighting style, and record. If he was white or latino he might be slightly more popular but would not be some sort of mainstream star.

[KBB]

It's funny how the people who are racists magnify their bigoted and racists behaviors in the form of wordplay, Obama is White too but why is it that the bigots, hatemongers and racists only magnify the fact that he is black??

I agree, they indeed do. It's because or their racist belief that blacks are superior.

People who had a black and a white parent will always identify as black. People don't want to be white, because whites are the ones who are discriminated against and shat on nowadays.

Some people even lie about their heritage because they don't want to be white. I remember Canadian singer Shania Twain said publically she was of Native heritage, but it turned out she was lying about it.

LOL, I love how you tried to flip this into some reverse racism crap, when in fact you are the one who did exactly what I stated in regards to calling Obama black when he is just as much white as he is black.

Talking about trying to pull the "race card", that is a classic case of fearmongering amongst the white populace (by the way, there are still far more whites than black in the USA http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html ) by trying to insinuate that hatred is being perpetrated upon whites moreso than blacks is simpleminded brainwashing. Blacks are still far more sh*t upon than any other race on the face of this Earth and the last time I checked the White Majority still reigns supreme in the US.

Whites own more businesses than blacks, thereby they can (if they chose to) hire a vast majority of white people for whatever reason which would mean a greater disparity for blacks seeking employment (just one form of discrimination that has been happening for years in the good ol US of A).

I've never seen a mixed race person screaming out that they are more black or that they want to be identified as black moreso than white, you quoting such nonsense only testifies to the ignorance you get from some type of white supremacist rhetoric or some other form of brainwashing that many whites like yourself preach to unsuspecting and angry white people.

Please take your hate speech to a forum where mindless crap like that belongs, and stop polluting this forum with your senseless banter.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Freedom, do you realize that the vast majority of wealth and power in the USA and GB are in the hands of white people? You speak as if all the statistics state the opposite.

1. The whole "white race" being unified is a very recent concept, far from conspiracy theory. In the USA, most immigrant groups weren't called white as they are now. It was created in order to limit the unity of poor slaves in America, who used to be black AND WHITE. Most whites were basically slaves because only land owners could vote at first. Guess what? Before the separation was created by rich white dudes, poor/slave whites and blacks got along just fine. So all of this separation you think of as so real was created and manipulated by a few people. So before YOU WERE TOLD YOU WERE WHITE, you never focused on the difference between whites and blacks.

2. I don't give a F U C K if China is "more powerful" than America. All of those national power fantasies are for idiots who still buy into stupidity like nationalism ... which is code for poor people, go out and kill for your country while the rich exploit and shit on their own country for more $.

3. I don't care who is above who and who is beneath who. It's all stupidity. I no longer get mad when encountering delusional people like yourself. Instead, I feel sorry for you. The only problem is that due to a lack of reading/mathematical comprehension you guys don't realize that all your imagined persecution and ignorance continues needless suffering.

[handsofstone]

Like the song said "race aint nothing but a number" .....or something like that