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Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 01:13
by cjdragon
lefty wrote:Gotta feel for Wlad as the usual thing is happening in this thread that happens after he beats someone. The opponents end up just being a bum afterwards. Seen as one I mean.
I know what you mean, some may say Wlad can do no right, but I seriously doubt anyone would exclude Wlad from the top 10 Heavyweight biggest punchers of All Time.
One punch power...Wlad has it, and always has. :TU:

Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 02:04
by punchoutsb
Hard to rate, but he's among the best of course.

Interesting that between the two of them, Povetkin and Pulev had been down (I believe) 3 times in almost 300 amateur and professional fights...Wlad put them down 8 times. Says a lot.

Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 03:12
by Tomasino
HomicideHenry wrote:
stevedoc wrote:
HomicideHenry wrote:I think Pulev... is the most over-rated contender we've had in a while...

I've never seen a man more stiff-legged, or fight with such a bizarre style as that.
Really I think he's the best of the rest ,which other heavyweight would beat him other than wlad ...
I dont know... as easy as it seemed tonight... Klitschko could of fought three contenders in one night and of beaten them. So either Klitschko is hitting his stride, his peak, or Pulev was over-rated, or Pulev fought stupid.
Pulev was hurt badly early, like Carl Froch in the first Groves fight. After that he was stiff legged more so than usual anyway. Wlad destroyed a tough guy tonight.

Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 04:49
by JC
I've posted this before, but here's some info from a sparring partner (and former amateur opponent of Lewis and Bowe) who compares Wlad's power with Lewis's and Foreman's, amongst others.

Riddicks power wasnt memorable to me. It probably got better as he got older, cause he never even remotely buzzed me in either of our contests.

Lennox hit like a ****ing tank. He cowed me; I won the first round, and he literally broke my spirit and took my soul with a right uppercut and straight right hand in the 2nd. I tried to stay away, and forgot to punch. He never got me quite as good again, but I will never forget those two punches. When we sparred years later, he hit very hard. Distinctly unpleasant to be hit by the man.

David Tua was unpleasant. I can't see myself getting stopped by him early, as he never really staggers me, but every shot hurt, and he'd bang. Every other guy I ever sparred would box when I got aggressive, but David would stand his ground and give. I'd get these horrible headaches after sparring with him, and Dave told me once that whenever he knew I was on the dance card, he'd drink extra water for his brain. Nice guy. Hit like a wrecking ball. David Tua hit hard enough to knock my headgear clean around my face. Dude had a pretty limited style, but that left was quick as a cobra when he was sharp, and boy did it have bite. Having sparred them both, Wladimir would school Tua and probably turn out his lights. He just lacks almost any sort of refinement to his violence. Granted, I don't really either unless I'm really, really on that day, but the best heavyweights I've sparred handled me a lot easier than David did.

Feels kinda bad critiquing the dude, though. He's a fun guy, super hospitable and friendly, hit like a truck and put me through plenty of painful paces. I only hope our careers and lives don't end up with me required to face him with 12's and no mask. I can't afford the surgery.

Evander Holyfield was a machine gun. He put me on my butt first round we ever sparred with a 7 or 8 punch volley. He just punched well; He'd move around and when he let them go, they hit, hard and fast and in large numbers. He was the weakest of the group since Bowe, but probably the most dangerous. He never found me difficult to find, and turned me into a bobble head more than once.

George Foreman was tricky. His jab was absolutely numbing-Ive never felt a jab like that, where your whole face would feel like it got novacained after he hit you with it. He'd also throw light punches primarily, almost pitty pat, till he had the opening, and then he'd wallop you. His punches had the most force; They didn't hurt any worse than Tua or Lewis, but I remember how badly they'd screw with my balance. His shots moved me. He also broke my nose with a straight right.

Wladimir Klitschko hit me by far the hardest, though. I couldn't get past the jab, and his right hands hit like thunder. They reminded me of Lewis', but they were quicker and sharper. Wladimir staggered me regularly in sparring. There are literally whole rounds I don't remember. He also knocked me out with a left hook. Not down, out. Only time in my life I've seen canvas and not been able to stand up by 10 seconds."

http://www.ajdugger.com/forum.html#nabble-td4090601i80

Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 05:04
by crusader
Some interesting stuff in that thread; thanks for posting.

Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 09:01
by dominik
imagine he would have landed that shot:).
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his punching arsenal is a little bit limited but those 3 punches just have fantastic technique. he has a stable front side (important to transfer the power) and great hip and trunk rotation, few heavyweight boxers can use all of their strength like that (although he does not do it as much anymore, he uses a lot of softer punches too because he does not want to open up.

Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 09:05
by tiny_acres
dominik wrote:imagine he would have landed that shot:).


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I would love to see what Wlad would do now with his improved skills.If a Wilder,Fury or Stiverne
would of landed that shot.Pulev does not have one punch power.Just curious what would happen with
a powerhouse landing that one shot.

Re: where does Vladimir rate for punching power all time

Posted: 16 Nov 2014, 14:44
by Boxing Writer
jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd say Lewis hit harder with single shots than anyone I've ever seen - Tyson's real gift was the speed of his punches, opponents just didn't see them coming - thought he sure as hell could hit.

Shavers too, his power was mind-numbing, and Lyle.

Despite his stature, you've got to give it to Marciano, that hook absolutely destroyed people - I think again it was the angle he threw it at, and because his arms were so short, he could get in close, and bring it in an arc so the opponent never knew what hit them.

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I'd say that's my take - the punch Lewis hit Rahman with was stupendous, it would have felled a bull.
BoxingInsider: You boxed both Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko (in 1999), who had more power in their punches?

Phil Jackson: Klitschko, definitely, yeah.

BoxingInsider: Which hand?

Phil Jackson: Both. Both.

Source - http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/ ... nox-lewis/