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hurricanemitch14 wrote:chavez was 103 yrs old......all his wins and his losses came against b-level guys. he had very good right hand and was sid champ but he didnt beat anybody to put him anywhere near an atg list

B LEVEL GUY'S YOUR A HARSH MAN PLEASE DO SOME RESEARCH TELL ME THE A GRADER'S THAT KOSTYA WAS TO BEAT BEFORE HE GOT TO THE WELTERS [ OSCA DE/SUGAR SHANE/TITO ]

he didnt have any a grade comp at 140...... after watching him get destroyed by vince phillips theres no way he hangs with any a listers unless he landed a booming right.......the dude could punch.


i dont mean to hate, he was a solid champ but atg gimme a break. not with his resume

the hate is just automatic huh? lol

lol yea i guess...... cant help it

magwitch wrote:what do you think? He was very good, unstoppable in his prime they say....I never saw that much of him but I get the picture..... Is top 25 over optimistic?

Where would you have him in a list only of LWWs and Welters? Top 10 surely?

Well lets see. Best win is probably Zab Judah. Also badly lost to Vince Phillips in Tszyu's prime. If that makes you top 25 of All time then I don't know what to say.

He was a good champion who never showed any great desire to test himself against the greats of his era in Mosely, Trinidad, De La Hoya, Mayweather etc etc. People will crap on 'they avoided Tszyu/they weren't in his weight class at the time". Funny how all those great fighters managed to fight each other mostly yet Tszyu didn't even fight one of them. People make far too much of weight moving up and down divisions. If you are good enough then 7 pounds means fark all. See Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Mayweather etc etc. Those guys are all time greats miles and miles ahead of someone like Tszyu.

Unified undisputed world champ, quite rare really, remember an interview with Mosley where he stated he was very happy that he never had to fight tszyu, that was from Mosley himself

Pureist wrote:Unified undisputed world champ, quite rare really, remember an interview with Mosley where he stated he was very happy that he never had to fight tszyu, that was from Mosley himself

I'd be happy to see a copy of this direct quote from Mosley............ He would've smashed KT in their primes

In your opinion that is, Forrest took care of Mosley TWICE , in the amateur WT kostya made Forrest look like a novice, styles make fights, you should watch some

Yeah Kel Tszyu would have nothing for a prime Mosely. Shane is just a nice guy thats why he made that comment. He obviously didn't actually mean it.

And how would you actually know that jnr

Pureist wrote:And how would you actually know that jnr

Are you suggesting that Shane is not a nice guy. I can assure you he is mate.

Pureist wrote:In your opinion that is, Forrest took care of Mosley TWICE , in the amateur WT kostya made Forrest look like a novice, styles make fights, you should watch some

That ole chestnut..... If you honestly think Mosley is less of a fighter than KT you are delusional. Vince Phillips wouldn't lay a glove on a prime Mosley.... just saying D

Vernon Forrest took him apart happy, what went wrong with that fight twice, where Forrest couldn't land a glove on tszyu, what do you think happy

Pureist wrote:Vernon Forrest took him apart happy, what went wrong with that fight twice, where Forrest couldn't land a glove on tszyu, what do you think happy

Happy?? Huh!

Oh you do try hard, fail but try hard

Pureist wrote:Vernon Forrest took him apart happy, what went wrong with that fight twice, where Forrest couldn't land a glove on tszyu, what do you think happy

Mate do you rate Tszyu higher than Shane Mosely P4P in an all time great list ?

I rate him up there with him Jnr, unified and undisputed champions don't look for fights, they're sought out for fights

Pureist wrote:I rate him up there with him Jnr, unified and undisputed champions don't look for fights, they're sought out for fights

Fair enough matey if thats your opinion although I firmly disagree with you. I would be absolutely amazed if a huge majority of boxing fans did not rate Mosely > Tszyu on an all time great list.

Forums would be boring if we all had the same opinion though.

Pureist wrote:Oh you do try hard, fail but try hard

I'm a bit of a dunce so you will have to spell it out.

Pureist wrote:In your opinion that is, Forrest took care of Mosley TWICE , in the amateur WT kostya made Forrest look like a novice, styles make fights, you should watch some

There is a big difference between pro's and amateurs, Mosley would have stopped Tszyu if they ever fought.

No way in the top 100 never mind 25 , great amateur but good rather than brilliant world champ

stevedoc wrote:No way in the top 100 never mind 25 , great amateur but good rather than brilliant world champ

Look I won't put you on show and say name the 100 in front of him but could you pretty please name the 25 and try to be honest or is that asking too much

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

stevedoc wrote:No way in the top 100 never mind 25 , great amateur but good rather than brilliant world champ

Look I won't put you on show and say name the 100 in front of him but could you pretty please name the 25 and try to be honest or is that asking too much

Vince Phillips ...not a legend but smashed the crap out of kos
SRR
Armstrong
Ali
Louis
Pep
Duran
Leonard
Greg
Langford
Jimmy Wilde
Hearns
Hagler
Chavez
Sam Langford
Tony canzoneri
Gene Tunney
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox lewis
Evander holy field
Carlos monzon
George Dixon
Alexis arguello
Aaron Pryor
Wilfredo benitez
Roy jones
I think that's over 25 I could do another 100 with ease ........
Next time think before trying to be a smart ass and you won't look like such a dickhead

MidniteProwler wrote:

Pureist wrote:In your opinion that is, Forrest took care of Mosley TWICE , in the amateur WT kostya made Forrest look like a novice, styles make fights, you should watch some

There is a big difference between pro's and amateurs, Mosley would have stopped Tszyu if they ever fought.

You following me, thought you owned esb, why would you come here if that was the case after bagging this place and everyone who posts here, amateurs are usually very different to the pros, BUT, tszyu was one of the first of the eastern block fighters to hit the pros, since then GGG, Lara, rigo, lomachenko etc have hit the ground running in the pros, their experience as amateurs is outstanding and can walk into the pro ranks at the highest level, tszyu always fought like a pro in the amateurs and the way he disposed of Forrest in the WT was one of the best performances of boxing I can remember, anything else I can teach you about?

Pureist wrote:

MidniteProwler wrote:

Pureist wrote:In your opinion that is, Forrest took care of Mosley TWICE , in the amateur WT kostya made Forrest look like a novice, styles make fights, you should watch some

There is a big difference between pro's and amateurs, Mosley would have stopped Tszyu if they ever fought.

You following me, thought you owned esb, why would you come here if that was the case after bagging this place and everyone who posts here, amateurs are usually very different to the pros, BUT, tszyu was one of the first of the eastern block fighters to hit the pros, since then GGG, Lara, rigo, lomachenko etc have hit the ground running in the pros, their experience as amateurs is outstanding and can walk into the pro ranks at the highest level, tszyu always fought like a pro in the amateurs and the way he disposed of Forrest in the WT was one of the best performances of boxing I can remember, anything else I can teach you about?

I always here the old timers rave on about Tszyu's victory over Forrest in the am's Don't get me wrong it was a great performance by Tszyu, I also rate Tszyu highly as a pro. Forrest changed his style in the pro's and I reckon a fight between him and Tszyu in the pro's would have been a lot different. Who do you think would have won between Tszyu & Mosley as pro's?