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Glass Joe wrote:

Toilets and bars were a joke and the scheduling hideous. Was 3:30am before i finally got a cab out of there

the staff looked about 12 actually i think they were 12 to 14 years old. excel is an awful venue, please don't go there again frank.

ALI wrote:While out on a bit of a pub crawl I convinced a mate to stop by a pub i knew was showing the card. We were there around 11pm (GMT+1). After waiting forever for Eubank - Saunders to start, and that fight failing to deliver much, we ended up leaving at around 1:30 am during the second round of Fury - Chisora. That says a lot as It is very unlike me to walk out of anywhere while a big fights in motion.

The card dragged on for too long. allegedly take note!

cobbler80 wrote:

Glass Joe wrote:

Toilets and bars were a joke and the scheduling hideous. Was 3:30am before i finally got a cab out of there

the staff looked about 12 actually i think they were 12 to 14 years old. excel is an awful venue, please don't go there again frank.

People were just pissing under the stands by the end. Was piss all over the place

Only plus side to the lawlessness in there was that the smoking ban didn't exist!

lefthook82 wrote:A main event starting at half past midnight is a disgrace

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I agree, I was bored to tears for much of the card, the matchups didn't deliver. By the time the heavyweight clash came, I was virtually asleep.

jameswilson wrote:

lefty wrote: Did you prefer the matchroom show the week before?

People after last weekends fights had taken place and before this weekends ones had taken place were on a crusade throughout the week. Bellew v Cleverly was an outrage because it failed to live up. Fury v Chisora was even worse but the same reaction just isn't there. Last weekend about 50% of the rbr posts were reggaereggae and boxer beetle posting about how annoyed they were that the event was going so late. This weeks rbr neither are anywhere to be seen and yet the card ran later.

I know everyone (including me) was pissed at PPV. But you yourself lefty said that based off of that 1 poor PPV means Eddie is as bad, or worse than Allegedly. I'd argue that Allegedly's PPV Bill of Clev v a bin man. Groves v DeGale when they had 10 fights a piece and Gavin v Young Muttley with 8 and 4 rounders beneath that was easily a worse PPV than last week. At least last week there were top 20 boxers facing other top 20 boxers a few times. By far the worst PPV has to go to Haye v Harrison, but people last week over-reacted that it was worse than that.

For the record I thought Saunders v Eubank was the best fight on both cards.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

lefty wrote: Did you prefer the matchroom show the week before?

People after last weekends fights had taken place and before this weekends ones had taken place were on a crusade throughout the week. Bellew v Cleverly was an outrage because it failed to live up. Fury v Chisora was even worse but the same reaction just isn't there. Last weekend about 50% of the rbr posts were reggaereggae and boxer beetle posting about how annoyed they were that the event was going so late. This weeks rbr neither are anywhere to be seen and yet the card ran later.

I know everyone (including me) was pissed at PPV. But you yourself lefty said that based off of that 1 poor PPV means Eddie is as bad, or worse than Allegedly. I'd argue that Allegedly's PPV Bill of Clev v a bin man. Groves v DeGale when they had 10 fights a piece and Gavin v Young Muttley with 8 and 4 rounders beneath that was easily a worse PPV than last week. At least last week there were top 20 boxers facing other top 20 boxers a few times. By far the worst PPV has to go to Haye v Harrison, but people last week over-reacted that it was worse than that.

For the record I thought Saunders v Eubank was the best fight on both cards.

You wanna get your eyes tested mate, I posted loads on last night's RBR, right to the end of the Fury fight - in fact, I set-up the fvcking thread. And I was also complaining the bill ran so late, same as everyone else. But as I didn't feel I was being robbed by a one-sided PPV last night, and as pretty much all the fights were competitive, I wasn't as critical as the previous week. I suggest you get your facts straight before bringing my name up again

jameswilson wrote: Mate come on. There's massive difference in your tone on each rbr. Saying 'this is running late, it will overlap Crawford v Beltran lol' is slightly different to what we had on a regular the week before. We'll call a spade a spade by saying the Matchroom show was a poor PPV, but let's do it the other way too and not call 'pretty much every fight competitive.'

G0mez wrote:A bunch of mates said the atmosphere was hideous last night - and it was wall to wall with arseholes, and they seemingly did exactly want they liked.

He believed some didn't even have a ticket and security just let loads of people walk in. The later it got, the nastier the vibe.

Anyone here go down ?

Crease wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I agree, I was bored to tears for much of the card, the matchups didn't deliver. By the time the heavyweight clash came, I was virtually asleep.

I suppose it depends on what you're looking for.

There is a group of fans that want to see spectacular knock outs, on the other hand there are some of us who enjoy competitive fights going the full distance.

I guess to get a post event, fan-friendly reaction a card has to have a little bit of everything in it; early stoppages, systematic beat downs, a controversial split decision, maybe even a draw or two...

cobbler80 wrote:People were just pissing under the stands by the end. Was piss all over the place

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

cold187 wrote:

G0mez wrote:Why bloat the 'prime time' of a fight card with fighters who either kill the atmosphere with a negative style or couldn't crack an egg ?

Padding out a show with people who can sell local tickets, but bore the wider UK public to tears is a trend I keep seeing a lot too.

Last night was all about Saunders vs Eubank Jr, it was a Michelin star main course of fillet steak.

So why feed us 4 hours of carrots and ruin the appetite? A friend who went to a bar said they were closing just as the fight looked set to finally begin. Viewers were ready for going to bed by the time they finally began the main two fights.

Promoters need people who come to fight and look for a KO - people like Travis Dickinson , Brad Saunders, Jack Catterall,

The big shows miss the crash, bang wallop of Hatton, Calzaghe, and soon Froch and Haye.

People like Skeete and Fury, pecking away with the jab - it was awful. I'll give the big man a pass because he's usually good value.


Serious question - has anyone actually been impressed in the last ten years by a visiting Latvian or whatever? Just think of how many you've watched in all that time - I bet you'd struggle to name 1 performance and struggle harder to tell me their name. Doesn't that tell you something ?

A good ticket seller doesn't equate to a good performer - same goes for a bad ticket seller equalling a bad performer.

I just feel last night had some great ingredients , but they overcooked it with bloat. It was 24 rounds too many before the big two fights.[/quote

i agree it dragged on too late man

I agree, I was bored to tears for much of the card, the matchups didn't deliver. By the time the heavyweight clash came, I was virtually asleep.

ScottDetonator wrote:

cobbler80 wrote:People were just pissing under the stands by the end. Was piss all over the place

Nothing like getting hit in the face by a warm salty liquid to really enhance the nights experience... What I want to know is though, why have people started doing it? Has it always been that bad and I've only just noticed it or what?

Boxerbeetle wrote:

jameswilson wrote: Mate come on. There's massive difference in your tone on each rbr. Saying 'this is running late, it will overlap Crawford v Beltran lol' is slightly different to what we had on a regular the week before. We'll call a spade a spade by saying the Matchroom show was a poor PPV, but let's do it the other way too and not call 'pretty much every fight competitive.'

Which fights weren't competitive last night? Fury vs Chisora obviously wasn't, but I'd say the rest were. For all their faults, I'd rather watch Gavin & Skeete in a relatively close 12 rounder than watch any number of the Matchroom boys blow through lesser opposition.

I'd agree my tone was different in each rbr, simply because I didn't enjoy most of the Matchroom card, whereas I did enjoy most of the FW card.

jameswilson wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

jameswilson wrote: Mate come on. There's massive difference in your tone on each rbr. Saying 'this is running late, it will overlap Crawford v Beltran lol' is slightly different to what we had on a regular the week before. We'll call a spade a spade by saying the Matchroom show was a poor PPV, but let's do it the other way too and not call 'pretty much every fight competitive.'

Which fights weren't competitive last night? Fury vs Chisora obviously wasn't, but I'd say the rest were. For all their faults, I'd rather watch Gavin & Skeete in a relatively close 12 rounder than watch any number of the Matchroom boys blow through lesser opposition.

I'd agree my tone was different in each rbr, simply because I didn't enjoy most of the Matchroom card, whereas I did enjoy most of the FW card.

If every FW card from now on ends up being like the last one in terms of the matchups then I'll be surprised. Thus far this year that was the 1 show out of everything from them that had a really good top 3 fights where everything came off. The PPV show was the one show where everyone to a man was outraged, AND it had a main event that didn't take off and now you're making out like it's been like that all year and the Matchroom guys have been facing nothing but mismatches while the other shows are nothing but 50-50s. Come on, Walsh's and Buglioni's fights (to name 2) were close affairs were they? Burns v Beltran and Crawford. Froch v Kessler and Groves x 2. Mitchell v Maduma. Bellew v Chillemba x 2. DeGale v Gonzalez and Periban. Crolla v Murray. Mathews v Coyle. There's a load of fights I'v named over the last 18 months or so (and I'm not going through every single one) that aren't clear mismatches and took place in the UK. Not all fights took off (Bellew v Chilemba for example) but that's the way some fights go, I wouldn't call Fury v Chisora a bad fight just because it ended up being boring, it was still a top 15-20 heavyweight vs a top 15-20 heavyweight, like DeGale v Periban or Gonzalez was at S-middle. The fact DeGale blew those guys out of there doesn't change that. If Mayweather blows Pacquiao away in 1 is that a sh1t fight all of a sudden?

Boxerbeetle wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote: Which fights weren't competitive last night? Fury vs Chisora obviously wasn't, but I'd say the rest were. For all their faults, I'd rather watch Gavin & Skeete in a relatively close 12 rounder than watch any number of the Matchroom boys blow through lesser opposition.

I'd agree my tone was different in each rbr, simply because I didn't enjoy most of the Matchroom card, whereas I did enjoy most of the FW card.

If every FW card from now on ends up being like the last one in terms of the matchups then I'll be surprised. Thus far this year that was the 1 show out of everything from them that had a really good top 3 fights where everything came off. The PPV show was the one show where everyone to a man was outraged, AND it had a main event that didn't take off and now you're making out like it's been like that all year and the Matchroom guys have been facing nothing but mismatches while the other shows are nothing but 50-50s. Come on, Walsh's and Buglioni's fights (to name 2) were close affairs were they? Burns v Beltran and Crawford. Froch v Kessler and Groves x 2. Mitchell v Maduma. Bellew v Chillemba x 2. DeGale v Gonzalez and Periban. Crolla v Murray. Mathews v Coyle. There's a load of fights I'v named over the last 18 months or so (and I'm not going through every single one) that aren't clear mismatches and took place in the UK. Not all fights took off (Bellew v Chilemba for example) but that's the way some fights go, I wouldn't call Fury v Chisora a bad fight just because it ended up being boring, it was still a top 15-20 heavyweight vs a top 15-20 heavyweight, like DeGale v Periban or Gonzalez was at S-middle. The fact DeGale blew those guys out of there doesn't change that. If Mayweather blows Pacquiao away in 1 is that a sh1t fight all of a sudden?

Mate, I'm not sure if you've got me confused with someone else tbh. Before last week's PPV I hardly ever criticised Matchroom (or particularly praised FW), I just call it how I see it. I didn't say the Walsh or Buglioni fights were close, but they were competitive. Last week's PPV was an insult to boxing fans from the start, a card built on 'names' rather than fights. FW's card, although far from being perfect, was built on fights, and it got cut a lot more slack simply because we weren't charged an extra 17 quid for it. That's all there is to it, no channel or promoter bias here.

G0mez wrote:
Serious question - has anyone actually been impressed in the last ten years by a visiting Latvian or whatever?