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Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:09
by chippenduff
Who's next?

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:11
by ikorolev
Quillin didn't beat Rosado. He just inflicted a cut.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:12
by hurricanemitch14
chippenduff wrote:Who's next?

He needs to redeem his losses to really get me interested again.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:13
by crusader
Lemieux has made some improvements. He's jabbing a lot more now and pacing himself better. Still limited but not to the same extent as before.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:14
by crusader
hurricanemitch14 wrote:
chippenduff wrote:Who's next?

He needs to redeem his losses to really get me interested again.
Alcine is totally shot now and I highly doubt he's anywhere near as good as Rosado. I can see a Rubio rematch but not Alcine.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:15
by hurricanemitch14
agreed...but I would like to see him try to avenge his losses to truly show me he has grown as a fighter.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:21
by JoeCorrao
crusader wrote:Really competitive fight between Centento and James De La Rosa.

I have it 38-37 Centeno
and then he got Ko'd

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:23
by crusader
JoeCorrao wrote:
crusader wrote:Really competitive fight between Centento and James De La Rosa.

I have it 38-37 Centeno
and then he got Ko'd
Yep, I described that in my following post.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:31
by crusader
chippenduff wrote:Who's next?
HBO was talking a lot about him fighting GGG. While I doubt that he'd win I think he's one of the most interesting realistic options. Someone like Geale may be a better fighter overall, but what has he got to trouble GGG? Despite his limitations I think Lemieux would be the hardest puncher GGG's faced and I believe his power makes him an interesting opponent in a way that most others aren't. Centeno scored a career-best win in the previous bout and I think him vs Lemieux would be a good fight, and I'd also like to see the latter fight Jacobs as I believe they're on the same level and one of them could separate themselves with a win; I don't know how probable that fight is given that Jacobs is with Haymon though.

I really enjoyed tonight's card. I'd rather watch a card filled with relatively low-profile fighters that are evenly matched than cards stacked with relatively high profile fighters on one side but not the other. Lemieux-Rosado was the least competitive fight but Rosado still had his moments.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:52
by armageto
crusader wrote:
hurricanemitch14 wrote:
chippenduff wrote:Who's next?

He needs to redeem his losses to really get me interested again.
Alcine is totally shot now and I highly doubt he's anywhere near as good as Rosado. I can see a Rubio rematch but not Alcine.
Alcine is coming off a draw with Devlin Rodriguez the middle of this year, with two wins (Although horrible opponents) before that. I think a rematch is doable, IMO.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:53
by crusader
You're right; he seemed to have gone into full blown losing mode and I forgot about those fights. Maybe it is doable.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 01:54
by ikorolev
I would like him to fight Dmitry Chudinov to see who of them is less limited and more deserving to fight GGG. A winner would likely be a mandatory from both WBA and WBC.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 02:02
by jezzamundo
It seems Lemieux has improved - I was wrong about this fight which I expected Rosado to win and I only saw Lemieux winning by cuts of perhaps a big knockout punch. I agree, let's see Lemieux vs Rubio before he gets a title shot, based on this performance I would favour Lemieux to win.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 02:43
by diddy
Lemieux is improved. Punch selection is better. Pacing is better. Not beating GGG but can beat anyone else in the division.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 03:21
by hulkmaniac
I had very little doubt that Lemieux would win tonight, but he still fights very much the same predictable way swinging his T-Rex arms. He just didn't blow his whole load in the early rounds like he used to. Quillin, Korobov, Ndam, maybe even Curtis Stevens would handle this Lemieux. GGG would decapitate him.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 05:16
by crusader
Dan Rafael tweeted:
IMO @lemieuxboxing probably fights again this spring and if he wins & @gggboxing beats Murray Feb. 21 we'll see GGG-Lemieux this summer.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 08:59
by Aaronide_ger
hulkmaniac wrote:I had very little doubt that Lemieux would win tonight, but he still fights very much the same predictable way swinging his T-Rex arms. He just didn't blow his whole load in the early rounds like he used to. Quillin, Korobov, Ndam, maybe even Curtis Stevens would handle this Lemieux. GGG would decapitate him.
T-rex arms? according to boxrec his arm reach is 1.78 cm.. EXACTLY the same as Golovkin..

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 10:10
by hulkmaniac
Aaronide_ger wrote:
hulkmaniac wrote:I had very little doubt that Lemieux would win tonight, but he still fights very much the same predictable way swinging his T-Rex arms. He just didn't blow his whole load in the early rounds like he used to. Quillin, Korobov, Ndam, maybe even Curtis Stevens would handle this Lemieux. GGG would decapitate him.
T-rex arms? according to boxrec his arm reach is 1.78 cm.. EXACTLY the same as Golovkin..
Because boxrec stats are always correct, I love his site but it has it's flaws. For instance Keith Thman was listed as like 5'10" at some point and Jean Pascal's reach was listed way shorter. Its common knowledge that Lemieux has "T-rex arms". You can eyeball him and see that his arms are shorter than most of his middleweight opponents.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 11:16
by palooka
I'd like to see David v Curtis Stevens; that bout would satisfy the bombs away part of me; a 4 round bout surely?

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 12:46
by ikorolev
palooka wrote:I'd like to see David v Curtis Stevens; that bout would satisfy the bombs away part of me; a 4 round bout surely?
... or Kirkland. Unfortunately, protected Quillin is not an option.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 14:01
by expe
ikorolev wrote:Quillin didn't beat Rosado. He just inflicted a cut.
That sounds like beating him to me..

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 15:08
by BAD INTENTIONS
Maybe in the 50's this would be okay ... but has anyone seen Rosado's face? Can you imagine what his brain is like now?

Yet they keep putting him in with punchers ... and idiots keep talking about HEART.

I wonder where Gabe's promoters, friends, and fans will be in 10 years when he's visibly brain damaged and broke (assuming huge medical bills).

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 15:12
by ikorolev
expe wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Quillin didn't beat Rosado. He just inflicted a cut.
That sounds like beating him to me..
It didn't look so to people who watched the fight.

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 17:08
by crusader
hulkmaniac wrote:
Aaronide_ger wrote:
hulkmaniac wrote:I had very little doubt that Lemieux would win tonight, but he still fights very much the same predictable way swinging his T-Rex arms. He just didn't blow his whole load in the early rounds like he used to. Quillin, Korobov, Ndam, maybe even Curtis Stevens would handle this Lemieux. GGG would decapitate him.
T-rex arms? according to boxrec his arm reach is 1.78 cm.. EXACTLY the same as Golovkin..
Because boxrec stats are always correct, I love his site but it has it's flaws. For instance Keith Thman was listed as like 5'10" at some point and Jean Pascal's reach was listed way shorter. Its common knowledge that Lemieux has "T-rex arms". You can eyeball him and see that his arms are shorter than most of his middleweight opponents.
I think most people believe that he has T-rex arms because his reach--which is not just arm length--was initially listed at 64 here. As you suggest though, BoxRec stats are not always correct, and perhaps his initial reach stat is an example of that. I've never looked at him at thought that his arms were extremely short for his height, and his reach has been listed differently by other sources. For a few years I've also seen his arm length listed from 25-25.5, which isn't abnormally short like a 64 inch reach would be for his height.

At 2:15 of the clip below his arm length is listed at 25.5, which is .5 greater than the measurement given for his 6'1" opponent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN0h_1dV--I

Re: David Lemieux favored over Gabe Rosado?

Posted: 07 Dec 2014, 20:14
by Evander
Lemieux was on fire last night, looks like he's learning to be a proper fighter now.