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SenorPipino wrote:Opening odds have the usually portly Ruiz listed as a whopping 33-1 favorite over the former alphabet champ.
That's probably being generous to Liakhovich, who will be hard pressed to make it through 3 rounds.

As one sided as those odds are, it's still not close to the line on Joshua vs. Johnson. The young Brit gold medalist is holding as an 80-1 favorite over Johnson, who has never been stopped.
That figures to change on Jan. 30.

80-1?????? No matter how much I think Joshua will win.I would be willing to put a $20 on that fight.With
those odds

tiny_acres wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Opening odds have the usually portly Ruiz listed as a whopping 33-1 favorite over the former alphabet champ.
That's probably being generous to Liakhovich, who will be hard pressed to make it through 3 rounds.

As one sided as those odds are, it's still not close to the line on Joshua vs. Johnson. The young Brit gold medalist is holding as an 80-1 favorite over Johnson, who has never been stopped.
That figures to change on Jan. 30.

80-1?????? No matter how much I think Joshua will win.I would be willing to put a $20 on that fight.With
those odds

Agreed, that's ridiculous. 33-1 is also more than worth a punt. Liakhovich may have been blasted out by Wilder, but he put the fight to Helenius and Jennings. Has Ruiz's chin been tested?

tiny_acres wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Opening odds have the usually portly Ruiz listed as a whopping 33-1 favorite over the former alphabet champ.
That's probably being generous to Liakhovich, who will be hard pressed to make it through 3 rounds.

As one sided as those odds are, it's still not close to the line on Joshua vs. Johnson. The young Brit gold medalist is holding as an 80-1 favorite over Johnson, who has never been stopped.
That figures to change on Jan. 30.

80-1?????? No matter how much I think Joshua will win.I would be willing to put a $20 on that fight.With
those odds

https://m.oddschecker.com/m/boxing#boxi ... son-winner

That's not quite how it works. Joshua can be had 1-100 (100 to 1 on; ie you have to put £100 to win £1.)

Unfortunately, sports books are never equal odds. So bet on Johnson the best you can get is 16-1

That's true.

Oddsmakers are only giving back +1600 on Johnson, so a $20 bet by tiny_acres would only return him $320.

The guys who lay the lines often put up pretty crappy returns on the 'dog in bouts that are considered "out" fights, or little chance of the favorite losing.
At 80-1 on Joshua and only a +1600 return on the American, the oddsmakers are also saying that they really don't want action on this fight. Perhaps they smell something fishy.

SenorPipino wrote:That's true.

Oddsmakers are only giving back +1600 on Johnson, so a $20 bet by tiny_acres would only return him $320.

The guys who lay the lines often put up pretty crappy returns on the 'dog in bouts that are considered "out" fights, or little chance of the favorite losing.
At 80-1 on Joshua and only a +1600 return on the American, the oddsmakers are also saying that they really don't want action on this fight. Perhaps they smell something fishy.

You can tell I only place wagers with friends.
Not a gambler but enjoy a nice side bet on sporting events to keep them more interesting.

Thanks for the lesson on oddsmakers

I still think Liakhovich has more in the tank than people give him credit for.

Gnome wrote:I still think Liakhovich has more in the tank than people give him credit for.

I thought he looked shot against Quinn and that was nearly five years ago. He was competitive while he lasted against Helenius, but he took ample punishment in that bout and has looked poor since, with the Jennings beating and convulsions against Wilder having me worry for his health.

Chippo wrote:Andy's weight is a disgrace but he does have talent and I think we would like to see what he's capable of if he could come in a lot lighter, perhaps around 225.

I've been singing his praises for a while on another forum (and receiving a lot of abuse in return!) so I'm glad he's in with a name this time out, albeit a faded one.

I find this funny that when Ruiz fights Liakovich it's a name opponent.
Yet when Wilder fought him he fought a bum

tiny_acres wrote:

Chippo wrote:Andy's weight is a disgrace but he does have talent and I think we would like to see what he's capable of if he could come in a lot lighter, perhaps around 225.

I've been singing his praises for a while on another forum (and receiving a lot of abuse in return!) so I'm glad he's in with a name this time out, albeit a faded one.

I find this funny that when Ruiz fights Liakovich it's a name opponent.
Yet when Wilder fought him he fought a bum

A lot of that may have to do with fan fair; Wilder had/has a ton and Ruiz doesn't. Some, but no where near the level of Wilder.

But outside of Danny Williams, I can't think of any other "name" heavyweight I'd pick the Siarhei over. He's beyond shot at this point. Think about it, his last GOOD win was over Brewster in 2006! That's 8 years ago. That fight ended the primes of both he and Brewster, but they continued fighting. In the 8 years following Brewster, Liakhovich has gone 3-5 including brutal KO losses to Helenius and Wilder. He's gone at this point, I really hope this is his last fight. He needs to retire before he gets seriously hurt.

The weight is a problem but it will only impact if he goes the distance. In this case I don't think it will. He was gradually getting thinner recently until his last fight where he looked terrible.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is how good of a body puncher he is. That is IMO an interesting aspect of his offense. I actually think he is the best body puncher of the division.

Bad fight for lyakovic.... Way too much hand fluidity and precise quick hands for him.

The Russian should buy new trainers and run like the wind. In between rounds he should offer Ruiz chili-cheese dogs on a stick and have a giant fan blowing enticing food aromas into his corner; maybe even bribe the ring card girls to toss him fried baloney sandwiches. Ruiz will be bent over gasping for air by the tenth round and Liakhovich can tip him over.

I almost got excited about this guy.
Then checked out his last fight.
BOY.
Fattt asss copyright.

Despite the flab I think he's got some of the quickest hands in the division, as well as one of the best body attacks. He also puts his punches together well and his pop seems solid. On the other hand, his defense looked mediocre against Hamer, he's small-framed for the division, and I've got questions about his stamina.

I doubt he'll be an elite HW, but I think he's solid and the possibility of him being a legitimate contender shouldn't be dismissed just due to his appearance.

One of the problems with these dreadnought-sized heavyweights like Klitschko and Valuev is that smaller heavies that are 6'1" 6'2" are thinking they have to weigh 240-260 just to compete, forgetting speed is power. Look at Kirk Johnson, for instance, when he KO'd Maskaev he weighed around 230. When he went in against the giant Klitschko he was close to 260! Threw away his best asset - speed.

Any way to see this fight?

crusader wrote:Despite the flab I think he's got some of the quickest hands in the division, as well as one of the best body attacks. He also puts his punches together well and his pop seems solid. On the other hand, his defense looked mediocre against Hamer, he's small-framed for the division, and I've got questions about his stamina.

I doubt he'll be an elite HW, but I think he's solid and the possibility of him being a legitimate contender shouldn't be dismissed just due to his appearance.

I remember spotting him 3 or 4 years ago and thinking "fornicate me that fat bastard is fast"...I think he's possibly the most skilled of the emerging "prospect" but skills aren't everything and his shape and possibly questionable power and "real" size will hold him back =/

To bad this guy cant control his weight because he has some tools, at the absolute most he should be around 235lbs.

Cap wrote:One of the problems with these dreadnought-sized heavyweights...

Boxing very badly needs at least one more heavyweight division.

This quote from Graham Houston resonates with me:

https://twitter.com/fightwriterone/stat ... 0231861248

I'm expecting Andy Ruiz to shine on Sat. night. Corpulent, yes, but don't let that fool you, kid can fight

Of course he'll shine against Liakhovich. It's not 2004.

Ruiz doesnt show signs of slowing down, came in 268 pounds. Fight should start soon.

Lyakhovich went the distance.

It was an obvious draw, but of course you get the standard boxing bullshit, the judges falling all over each other to give it to Ruiz for the Mexican crowd.

zorndeslammes wrote:Lyakhovich went the distance.

Ruiz went distance without suffering a cardiac arrest

Half dead Liakhovich winning most of the late rounds against what is apparently a promising prospect .

Liakhovich looked like he was stoned or very sad or barely interested, but he still got a draw.