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Badhusker wrote:Wait, does Pacquiao have a cut that needs additional healing time? Is the stadium built? Does Mayweather have someone to guarantee his purse? You know it is coming - Arum's excuse/roadblock I mean. Maybe this is it?

It makes me laugh that Canelo thinks he is big enough to push Mayweather off that date. Couldn't he wait one more year? It not like Canelo has the huge PPV numbers to compete with Floyd....especially if Floyd fights Pac.

If they had separate PPV'S Manny-Floyd would do 2.5 million plus buys.
Canelo-Cotto at most 350,000.

fergusg wrote:Canelo-Lara achieved 300K PPV buys. Cotto-Martinez did 350K PPV buys. There is nothing to suggest that a Canelo-Cotto bout would significantly surpass those buy-rates (if at all).

Meanwhile, Mayweather-Maidana II obtained 925K PPV buys… and I’m very confident that Amir Khan is a bigger name than ‘El Chino’ (assuming he’s Floyd’s next opponent)... and he'll also attract in the region of one million PPV buys from the UK.

Therefore, I see no reason for Floyd to abandon his traditional Cinco de Mayo fight date, because he’ll receive a minimum purse of $35m anyway, coupled with the fact that there’ll be very little market cannibalisation as a result of the Canelo-Cotto contest.

Posts on this forum about the business/promotional of the sport never fail to amaze me in their stupidity.



Let me lead you down a chain of thought here....


Who promotes Mayweathers fights..... Oscar DeLaHoya, on a per-contract basis

Who is Oscar DeLaHoya's Golden Goose that's contracted to GBP..... Saul Canelo Alvarez

Who promotes Amir Khan..... GoldenBoy Promotions.....

Who promotes Manny Pacquaio.... TopRank Promotions....

Who promotes Miguel Cotto... TopRank Promotions on a per-contract basis.



If Canelo vs Cotto goes ahead as a GBP/TR co-promotion, neither Bob or Oscar are going to compete against themselves by putting Khan or Pacquiao on the same date.

Well that was mostly just a blur of blue/red and laughing faces, but a couple of points:


GoldenBoy Promotions promote Mayweather fights, that is not factually incorrect. Floyd was granted a promoters licence in July, he fought Maidana in September - a Goldenboy Promotion. floyd has never promoted an event bigger than a Friday Night Fight, he's nowhere close to having the ability to run a PPV.


GoldenBoy's golden Goose is Canelo - your point about Al Haymon is compeltely irrelevant. Oscar's biggest focus, is Canelo, not Floyd, Canelo.


Sure, I can concede Khan is a free agent but he's been promoted with GoldenBoy up 'til now: "Although Khan is likely to remain with Golden Boy". So let's come back to this point...


Pacquiao being contracted to Bob Arum couldn't be more relevant, idiot.


Cotto's situation is like Floyd's, he has Cotto Promotions, a sham company, but only GBP or TR can meet the requirements to run the PPV's Cotto requires.



So going back to Khan, he's very much in the same position, from now on, he wants PPV. ONLY Top Rank or GoldenBoy have the ability to run a major PPV.


Face it, Bob & Oscar have a monopoly here, it's a checkmate. They put Canelo vs Cotto on cinco de mayo, neither of them are goign to be as stupid as a retard like you and compete against themselves by being involved in another major PPV competing against them, on the same damn night - the fact you think that is a possibilty shows what you know about the promotional business; nothing.

Delusional.


Mayweather promotions has never ran anything bigger than a Friday night fight, but you think it's viable they step up and...



Run a major PPV
move Khan off GBP to Mayweather Promotions for this fight

and here's the kicker...


run the promotion on the same night as the 3rd & 4th biggest draws in the sport face each other, both hispanic, on a TR/GBP joint promotion, on a Mexican holiday.

fergusg wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Face it, Bob & Oscar have a monopoly here, it's a checkmate. They put Canelo vs Cotto on cinco de mayo, neither of them are goign to be as stupid as a retard like you and compete against themselves by being involved in another major PPV competing against them, on the same damn night - the fact you think that is a possibilty shows what you know about the promotional business; nothing.

Please explain why it’s not feasible for Floyd Mayweather Jr. to fight Amir Khan on Cinco De Mayo weekend of 2015 without Golden Boy’s or Top Rank’s involvement?

• Mayweather Promotions = Possesses promoters license in Nevada and actually performed all the management and administration of Floyd's recent events even when Golden Boy was "officially" the promoter

This is the most important line in your post.
This has been verified by Oscar himself stating that Mayweather promotions does all the foot work and paid
Oscar a flat fee.

Floyds promotion handling a ppv by its self is not as far fetched as many think.
They pretty much have already.
People have got to remember that Mayweather Promotions is not just Floyd and his idiot self.
It is a company with some very qualified individuals.

KBB wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Mayweather disrespecting Mexicans?

How is that disrespectful? Because he's wearing their colors and a Sombrero and isn't Mexican? If anything Mexicans ought to be happy that he is proudly displaying their colors and giving notoriety to their country and holiday. I'm part Mexican and it makes me proud he displays part of my heritage.

You ask that question but then say nothing about Arum, I wonder why? Arum and Oscar are pissed that their fight with Cotto vs Canleo won't sell going up against Floyd vs Manny at the same time and that is his real agenda.

Arum is a jewish bastard who doesn't give a flying f*ck about Cinco de mayo.

Well that's racist

danconnollyeire wrote:Well that's racist

No, it isn't.


Arum is Jewish, and bastard is just someone who is raised without a father, how does that make what I stated racists?

Arum is just mad because he wants the 2 May date for himself to put on Cotto vs Canelo and he knows if Floyd vs Manny goes down at the same time that he will not get one PPV buy.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are the two biggest draws in the sport, combine them together and this will surely do 3 million buys and Bob is just mad because he won't get a chance to make two big paydays for that date. Arum is out of the promotion for the superfight but will get his 27% robbery fee from Pacquiao and he still wants the Cotto vs Canelo promotional fees too.

What a greedy Jewish bastard!!

KBB wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:Well that's racist

No, it isn't.


Arum is Jewish, and bastard is just someone who is raised without a father, how does that make what I stated racists?

Arum is just mad because he wants the 2 May date for himself to put on Cotto vs Canelo and he knows if Floyd vs Manny goes down at the same time that he will not get one PPV buy.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are the two biggest draws in the sport, combine them together and this will surely do 3 million buys and Bob is just mad because he won't get a chance to make two big paydays for that date. Arum is out of the promotion for the superfight but will get his 27% robbery fee from Pacquiao and he still wants the Cotto vs Canelo promotional fees too.

What a greedy Jewish bastard!!

No no no don't get in to technicalities. If you believe someone is a wanker, they may be a wanker, why even state race, colour, creed or anything. The fact you are derogatory towards someone and include their race/religion, brings it all down. Just call him a dickhead/wanker/bastard or whatever. The 'greedy jew' line is extremely racist. You putting all jewish people in to a small and discriminatory box (i.e. he's greedy because he's jewish). It's like me saying someone is a thug because their black, has aids because they're gay or a drunk because their Irish. Simply not true and purely offensive

danconnollyeire wrote:No no no don't get in to technicalities. If you believe someone is a wanker, they may be a wanker, why even state race, colour, creed or anything. The fact you are derogatory towards someone and include their race/religion, brings it all down. Just call him a dickhead/wanker/bastard or whatever. The 'greedy jew' line is extremely racist. You putting all jewish people in to a small and discriminatory box (i.e. he's greedy because he's jewish). It's like me saying someone is a thug because their black, has aids because they're gay or a drunk because their Irish. Simply not true and purely offensive

The reference to his race is due to the nature of the topic we are addressing, notice I didn't call Oscar a greedy Mexican bastard because he isn't saying anything about it despite it being his own people that Floyd is apparently a problem for by the way that Arum is addressing it.

As long as it's directed to WEALTHY, GREEDY, DISRESPECTFUL, CONNIVING, pieces of shit like Bob Arum, I don't think racism matters.

Stop extending any human courtesy to these people.

Arum is scum

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:As long as it's directed to WEALTHY, GREEDY, DISRESPECTFUL, CONNIVING, pieces of poo like Bob Arum, I don't think racism matters.

Stop extending any human courtesy to these people.

Yes Arum is a pudendum. Race has fvckall to do with it so doesn't need a mention. We all know that Jewish and greedy in the same sentence is derogatory to all Jews

danconnollyeire wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:As long as it's directed to WEALTHY, GREEDY, DISRESPECTFUL, CONNIVING, pieces of poo like Bob Arum, I don't think racism matters.

Stop extending any human courtesy to these people.

Yes Arum is a pudendum. Race has fvckall to do with it so doesn't need a mention. We all know that Jewish and greedy in the same sentence is derogatory to all Jews