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ikorolev wrote: How many other guys do you know with 500 amateur fights and Khytrov's pop ? Fighters like that need to be moved much faster if they can handle it. They need to learn from their fights, not just increment their W and KO columns.

Right. Ignore my question cuz you know I'm right lol.

I don't track amateur records all that much these days. I do know plenty of guys are in that 100-300+ fight region that don't move as fast as Ievgen has. I don't believe there is much of a difference between a guy with 200-300 fights & 500 fights. They both got an exceptional level of fighting in the amateur game.

By this lotsa amateur fights = quick pro success logic GGG must suck ass by your estimation as he had 350 fights & didn't win a title til 4 years & 19 fights into his career. Wasn't GGG 3.5 years & 17 fights too late? Or does the 150 less fights give him some more leeway.

I'm sure Ievgen is learning. I've always thought the learning in the fight night ring is overrated anyway. You learn in the gym & execute in the fight night ring.

Plus there is a game of protect the 0 going on with the management of any promising fighter which is a thing in boxing despite you acting like there isn't more going on here. Arum pissed himself three times trying to get Vasyl outta the road he took & rightfully so cuz like it or not Vasyl's earning potential has been limited in the game for the near future cuz he has a 1 in the L column & fickle fans.

And finally I don't believe Ievgen not having fought Robert Guerrero or even John Molina yet in his career is gonna hurt his overall progress. I'd also say 147 is a deeper division anyway so if Vasyl was a 147lber & had tried to win a title at 147 he'd probably have been 1-2 three fights into his career.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

ikorolev wrote: How many other guys do you know with 500 amateur fights and Khytrov's pop ? Fighters like that need to be moved much faster if they can handle it. They need to learn from their fights, not just increment their W and KO columns.

Right. Ignore my question cuz you know I'm right lol.

I don't track amateur records all that much these days. I do know plenty of guys are in that 100-300+ fight region that don't move as fast as Ievgen has. I don't believe there is much of a difference between a guy with 200-300 fights & 500 fights. They both got an exceptional level of fighting in the amateur game.

By this lotsa amateur fights = quick pro success logic GGG must suck ass by your estimation as he had 350 fights & didn't win a title til 4 years & 19 fights into his career. Wasn't GGG 3.5 years & 17 fights too late? Or does the 150 less fights give him some more leeway.

I'm sure Ievgen is learning. I've always thought the learning in the fight night ring is overrated anyway. You learn in the gym & execute in the fight night ring.

Plus there is a game of protect the 0 going on with the management of any promising fighter which is a thing in boxing despite you acting like there isn't more going on here. Arum pissed himself three times trying to get Vasyl outta the road he took & rightfully so cuz like it or not Vasyl's earning potential has been limited in the game for the near future cuz he has a 1 in the L column & fickle fans.

And finally I don't believe Ievgen not having fought Robert Guerrero or even John Molina yet in his career is gonna hurt his overall progress. I'd also say 147 is a deeper division anyway so if Vasyl was a 147lber & had tried to win a title at 147 he'd probably have been 1-2 three fights into his career.

Seriously ? You don't even know that Khytrov is a MW, but you are still arguing. There a lot of experienced durable journeymen at MW, and he could benefit much more from fighting that type of opposition instead of guys he can finish in 5-10 minutes.

ikorolev wrote: Seriously ? You don't even know that Khytrov is a MW, but you are still arguing. There a lot of experienced durable journeymen at MW, and he could benefit much more from fighting that type of opposition instead of guys he can finish in 5-10 minutes.

Got the divisions mixed up sue me. Doesn't change the point Vasyl would be 1-2 at MW 3 fights into his career if he was a 160lber. Vasyl benefitted as much if not more from weaker opposition at the top in his weight division than his skill level.

And like I said I don't believe guys are learning THAT much from the fight. You learn mostly in the gym. If you are learning in fights you are being way overmatched or very poorly trained.

Best amateurs do learn in their first professional fights. They learn specifics of professional boxing. Salido fight taught Lomachenko a lot. If Vasyl fought him again, he would take a wide decision. However, in order to learn, you need an opponent who would fight back and wouldn't go down in the first 10 minutes.

ikorolev wrote:Best amateurs do learn in their first professional fights. They learn specifics of professional boxing. Salido fight taught Lomachenko a lot. If Vasyl fought him again, he would take a wide decision. However, in order to learn, you need an opponent who would fight back and wouldn't go down in the first 10 minutes.

I don't think there is a time limit on learning. And I didn't dispute learning in the ring on the night of the fight. I'm just saying most of the learning guys do is in the gym, training, sparring. Ideally you don't wanna go into the ring without a plan to execute & a plan b, c & d if that don't work. Your team sucks ass if you are learning too much on fight night.

Weigh-in for tonight's fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev_cW0ba-e8

crusader wrote:I think Melendez is a solid opponent at this stage.

Yes.

Mendelez has a lot of pro experience despite being young and he's a dangerous puncher.

future top opponent for GGG

With the speed Khytrov is being moved, GGG will retire or move up before Ievgen will become a title contender.

ikorolev wrote:With the speed Khytrov is being moved, GGG will retire or move up before Ievgen will become a title contender.

No, I think Khytrov is on the right path. He has a good promoter in DiBella.

What you said is true for Mekhontsev ever fighting Kovalev. Sadly, Mekhontsev signed with Top Rank. They'll ruin him with soft opposition and periods of inactivity, like they did Korobov.

Khytrov will have had 9 fights in only 14.5 months following this contest, has faced other prospects, and is now fighting a relatively experienced fringe-contender type, though admittedly from 154. If you care about BoxRec's rankings, he's 1 of only 2 boxers with fewer than 10 bouts ranked in the top 70 at MW, and after 8 bouts he's already at #33 with what I imagine is a good chance of breaking the top 25 tonight.

Sure, he's not being moved like Loma or Beterbiev, but in opinion he's still moving more quickly than the large majority of notable pros do early in their careers.

ikorolev wrote:With the speed Khytrov is being moved, GGG will retire or move up before Ievgen will become a title contender.

Nice performance by Khytrov tonight. He had to use his boxing skills because Mendelez has a lot of heart wouldn't give up as quickly as the others he's fought.

Yep, his opponent appeared to be better than his resume would suggest.

Hls of the KO here for those who missed it:
http://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/view ... 3#p1558553


ENJOY!!

He has some way to go. His stamina is just poor. Actually reminds me of Canelo stylistically. GGG would eat him alive and bury him in the ring at this point. Hope they take him slowly.

Hello, is fight against Aaron Coley actual?

Khytrov punch landed % was excellent last night,well into the 40's,it was a good work out for him,Melendez was pretty durable TBF ,Jorge took what seemed a lifetime to go down after that bodyshot but good rounds in the bank for Ievgen

Tony Harrison-Antwone Smith was short and sweet,Harrison was good again but he might well be the biggest pleb to come into boxing since Broner

Fight video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... T5zUKJa0xs

Tarkus wrote:He has some way to go. His stamina is just poor. Actually reminds me of Canelo stylistically. GGG would eat him alive and bury him in the ring at this point. Hope they take him slowly.

Eh, I don't get the Canelo comparison. Canelo is a cutie in comparison, comfort zone is so far out of range that he can barely land punches. Khytrov has cruder defense but a better offense, more power and stamina as well.

Best fight on the FNF card as the rest were disgraceful Haymon mismatches, not that this also wasn't a mismatch but atleast the opponent knew how to defend himself. Yikes.

Khytrov's best fight up to now.
He had to dig.

Khytrov visited Golovkin's camp and spoke highly about him. By the way, he looks bigger than Gennady:



Article in Russian:
http://www.sports.kz/news/evgeniy-hitro ... remennosti

ikorolev wrote:Khytrov visited Golovkin's camp and spoke highly about him. By the way, he looks bigger than Gennady:



Article in Russian:
http://www.sports.kz/news/evgeniy-hitro ... remennosti

interesting stuff, If you happen to find any interview about his "Speech" For GGG post it here.

Khytrov is in action tonight on Showtime. Some detail about Big Bear training:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/ko-arti ... ght-285739?