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What are the chances Inoue fights any or all of the Kameda's soon??

Very slim, they can't get licensed in Japan for a start.

Counter-puncher wrote:get him to shave 3lbs or so and stick him in with Chocalatito, cue immense orgasms from our resident midget-lovers

Great win - he looked good. I know it's more common in the midget divisions, but good to see another prospect put in deep early and do well.

I do find it hard to get excited by the smaller divisions as a lot of far eastern fighters fight at home, are faceless in the west in terms of press and i can never seem to remember their names...

Weight divisions need to be changed... Outside of a few low weight fighters I don't know a single man under 11 stone walk around weight. there are too many midget divisions. UFC has more modern and realistic weight divisions. (A different thread of course.)

Also boxing is fighting and all it's much harder to take these low weight guys who would be thrown 10 yards by a normal man in a street fight as seriously as the 10stone plus fighters.

The '10 stone' guys are probably boiling down well below 126lbs, fora start

i wont even try to address the rest of it. Beyond saying, if you don't know many 9st men, my guess is your social circle doesn't include too many thais. Or Filipinos. Or Mexicans, Japanese or.....

as for the street fighting point, Jesus. You can't half be a nugget sometimes. Most mma guys would waste most boxers in a street fight. I don't see you becoming a ufc fanboy, do i?

reggaereggae wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:get him to shave 3lbs or so and stick him in with Chocalatito, cue immense orgasms from our resident midget-lovers

Great win - he looked good. I know it's more common in the midget divisions, but good to see another prospect put in deep early and do well.

I do find it hard to get excited by the smaller divisions as a lot of far eastern fighters fight at home, are faceless in the west in terms of press and i can never seem to remember their names...

Weight divisions need to be changed... Outside of a few low weight fighters I don't know a single man under 11 stone walk around weight. there are too many midget divisions. UFC has more modern and realistic weight divisions. (A different thread of course.)

Also boxing is fighting and all it's much harder to take these low weight guys who would be thrown 10 yards by a normal man in a street fight as seriously as the 10stone plus fighters.

I find it hard to be excited by the current bigger fighters..you know the ones that aren't facing each other other, or the ones that look like they'd be better in an eating contest than an athletic event. You are right a lot of Eastern fighters fight at home, just like a lot of Americans ans Europeans. Believe it or not they fight where the money is for the to fight, again like everyone.

IMO It's harder to take fighters seriously when they talk about PPV whilst being seen by a few hundred thousand people rather than millions, I also struggle to take fighters seriously when they are avoiding their biggest rivals, talking like boxing needs them then sulking when the public doesn't bow down to them. Acting more like spoilt brats and little girls than fighters.

reggaereggae wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:get him to shave 3lbs or so and stick him in with Chocalatito, cue immense orgasms from our resident midget-lovers

Great win - he looked good. I know it's more common in the midget divisions, but good to see another prospect put in deep early and do well.

I do find it hard to get excited by the smaller divisions as a lot of far eastern fighters fight at home, are faceless in the west in terms of press and i can never seem to remember their names...

Weight divisions need to be changed... Outside of a few low weight fighters I don't know a single man under 11 stone walk around weight. there are too many midget divisions. UFC has more modern and realistic weight divisions. (A different thread of course.)

Also boxing is fighting and all it's much harder to take these low weight guys who would be thrown 10 yards by a normal man in a street fight as seriously as the 10stone plus fighters.

The gaps between the weight divisions in UFC is ridiculous, do that in boxing and you'll have huge weight differences between fighters in the ring, just not possible.

And they wouldn't be thrown about by a normal man, they'd bash us all over the place, don't underestimate someone just because they're small, it might matter in the ring, but against someone who isn't a professional fighter, they'd still be able to do some serious damage.

Flyweight Charlie magri was well known for walloping fvck out of much bigger men outside the ring. For example.

Btw i AM one of our resident midget-lovers...

Absolute beast. BP called it from the start and I was skeptical, but there can't be doubt now. Him vs Gonzalez would make me wet.

crusader wrote:Absolute beast. BP called it from the start and I was skeptical, but there can't be doubt now. Him vs Gonzalez would make me wet.

Im not really clued up about Gonzalez,ive seen bits and bobs and know he's won titles from Straw up to Fly but realistically how high up the weights can he go?

I can see him moving up a few more divisions over time. I don't think he'd be undersized if he moved up to 115 now.

crusader wrote:I can see him moving up a few more divisions over time. I don't think he'd be undersized if he moved up to 115 now.

Is 122 too much of an ask now?

Probably.

crusader wrote:Absolute beast. BP called it from the start and I was skeptical, but there can't be doubt now. Him vs Gonzalez would make me wet.

Taken your time but better late to the party than never getting here ;)

expe wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:get him to shave 3lbs or so and stick him in with Chocalatito, cue immense orgasms from our resident midget-lovers

Great win - he looked good. I know it's more common in the midget divisions, but good to see another prospect put in deep early and do well.

I do find it hard to get excited by the smaller divisions as a lot of far eastern fighters fight at home, are faceless in the west in terms of press and i can never seem to remember their names...

Weight divisions need to be changed... Outside of a few low weight fighters I don't know a single man under 11 stone walk around weight. there are too many midget divisions. UFC has more modern and realistic weight divisions. (A different thread of course.)

Also boxing is fighting and all it's much harder to take these low weight guys who would be thrown 10 yards by a normal man in a street fight as seriously as the 10stone plus fighters.

The gaps between the weight divisions in UFC is ridiculous, do that in boxing and you'll have huge weight differences between fighters in the ring, just not possible.

And they wouldn't be thrown about by a normal man, they'd bash us all over the place, don't underestimate someone just because they're small, it might matter in the ring, but against someone who isn't a professional fighter, they'd still be able to do some serious damage.

Sorry I don't believe that an 112 lb man can deal with an 190lb man like that. Amateur gyms would not let a flyweight at the top of his game even spar a 180lb plus novice.

Little Regina Halmich beat the crap out of Stephan Rabb (spelling?), who looked about a foot taller and at least one hundred pounds heavier than her. I believe he is a comedian but had some basic training leading up to their bouts, and I have little doubt that people like Gonzalez and Inoue are far more dangerous with their fists than Halmich was.

On a larger scale, Naz toyed with Claude Abrams in a sparring session, who who was far larger than him and had some boxing experience. It seemed to me like in a fight Naz could've knocked him out whenever he pleased.

Counter-puncher wrote:The '10 stone' guys are probably boiling down well below 126lbs, fora start

i wont even try to address the rest of it. Beyond saying, if you don't know many 9st men, my guess is your social circle doesn't include too many thais. Or Filipinos. Or Mexicans, Japanese or.....

as for the street fighting point, Jesus. You can't half be a nugget sometimes. Most mma guys would waste most boxers in a street fight. I don't see you becoming a ufc fanboy, do i?

I live in the UK, so obviously I know few Thais, Japanese or Philippinos....
And you're right, most boxers walk around weight is way higher than their weigh in weight.

But if an 8st guy walks around at 9stone, he will still get a beating from a 12 stone amateur boxer.

EG Ricky Hatton got knocked clean out by a bodybuilder in a pub. I would expect any middleweight amateur to beat any pro world champ at flyweight. Just too big. 50% bigger.

Have you boxed?

reggaereggae wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:The '10 stone' guys are probably boiling down well below 126lbs, fora start

i wont even try to address the rest of it. Beyond saying, if you don't know many 9st men, my guess is your social circle doesn't include too many thais. Or Filipinos. Or Mexicans, Japanese or.....

as for the street fighting point, Jesus. You can't half be a nugget sometimes. Most mma guys would waste most boxers in a street fight. I don't see you becoming a ufc fanboy, do i?

I live in the UK, so obviously I know few Thais, Japanese or Philippinos....
And you're right, most boxers walk around weight is way higher than their weigh in weight.

But if an 8st guy walks around at 9stone, he will still get a beating from a 12 stone amateur boxer.

EG Ricky Hatton got knocked clean out by a bodybuilder in a pub. I would expect any middleweight amateur to beat any pro world champ at flyweight. Just too big. 50% bigger.

Have you boxed?

Pub knockouts are often due to sucker-punches, and even a large person can be knocked out by a shot they don't see coming, whether it's thrown by someone their size or much smaller. Ricky Hatton being knocked out in a pub by a bodybuilder is hardly evidence that elite fighters in the lowest divisions couldn't handily beat much larger opponents in the ring.

What about the examples I gave? The average man likely doesn't have even the limited boxing training that Rabb (sp) and Abrams had.

Make sure to watch the fight before Narvaez who was way too small to fight Inoue... I think there are still things to polish... but he is a blast to watch and possesses very good offensive tools!

Fighter of the year and Shingo trainer of the year imo.

TheBeast wrote:Make sure to watch the fight before Narvaez who was way too small to fight Inoue... I think there are still things to polish... but he is a blast to watch and possesses very good offensive tools!

Fighter of the year and Shingo trainer of the year imo.

I've seen one writer say no offers Roach any competition on trainer of the year 2014. Shingo Inoue doesn't just offer competition, IMO he craps over Roach for the year.

Inoue looked terrific despite getting hit with some clean straight right hand shots.

I picked him to win but thought the Argentine, with all his experience, would stick around to the end and lose a lopsided decision.
When he went in tough with Donaire, he fought in strict survival mode for 12.
Good to see that the Japanese superstar-in-the-making didn't give Narvaez an opportunity to stink it out for a one-sided distance fight.

Hope there are some super matchups out there for Inoue. You can only become a major star by taking on other elite fighters.
It's probably the reason why Finito Lopez never became a legend. Too many bouts against faceless Asian fighters at 105 when he instead could have cemented his greatness by moving up and challenging Carbajal and Chiquita.

Hopefully Inoue won't make that mistake but he'll probably need to leave his Japanese nest to attain superstar status.

SenorPipino wrote:Inoue looked terrific despite getting hit with some clean straight right hand shots.

I picked him to win but thought the Argentine, with all his experience, would stick around to the end and lose a lopsided decision.
When he went in tough with Donaire, he fought in strict survival mode for 12.
Good to see that the Japanese superstar-in-the-making didn't give Narvaez an opportunity to stink it out for a one-sided distance fight.

Hope there are some super matchups out there for Inoue. You can only become a major star by taking on other elite fighters.
It's probably the reason why Finito Lopez never became a legend. Too many bouts against faceless Asian fighters at 105 when he instead could have cemented his greatness by moving up and challenging Carbajal and Chiquita.

Hopefully Inoue won't make that mistake but he'll probably need to leave his Japanese nest to attain superstar status.

Leave Japan for who? Seriously Cuadras aside (who is co prompted by teiken anyway) what is there to leave Japan for? A few american fans who have no interest in the division he's said he wants to fight in? If he moves up any time soon its for a super fight with Yamanaka, Fuji TV bankroll his fights and have deep pockets (especially regarding the division) and his viewer base is unthinkable for a fighter in the west.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Inoue looked terrific despite getting hit with some clean straight right hand shots.

I picked him to win but thought the Argentine, with all his experience, would stick around to the end and lose a lopsided decision.
When he went in tough with Donaire, he fought in strict survival mode for 12.
Good to see that the Japanese superstar-in-the-making didn't give Narvaez an opportunity to stink it out for a one-sided distance fight.

Hope there are some super matchups out there for Inoue. You can only become a major star by taking on other elite fighters.
It's probably the reason why Finito Lopez never became a legend. Too many bouts against faceless Asian fighters at 105 when he instead could have cemented his greatness by moving up and challenging Carbajal and Chiquita.

Hopefully Inoue won't make that mistake but he'll probably need to leave his Japanese nest to attain superstar status.

Leave Japan for who? Seriously Cuadras aside (who is co prompted by teiken anyway) what is there to leave Japan for? A few american fans who have no interest in the division he's said he wants to fight in? If he moves up any time soon its for a super fight with Yamanaka, Fuji TV bankroll his fights and have deep pockets (especially regarding the division) and his viewer base is unthinkable for a fighter in the west.

You need to come to America if you're going to become a true boxing superstar.
You don't think Pacquiao would be where he is today if he spent his career toiling in Manila.
Inoue might forever be a legend in Japan but the rest of the world will remain unfamiliar with him if he stays there.

SenorPipino wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Inoue looked terrific despite getting hit with some clean straight right hand shots.

I picked him to win but thought the Argentine, with all his experience, would stick around to the end and lose a lopsided decision.
When he went in tough with Donaire, he fought in strict survival mode for 12.
Good to see that the Japanese superstar-in-the-making didn't give Narvaez an opportunity to stink it out for a one-sided distance fight.

Hope there are some super matchups out there for Inoue. You can only become a major star by taking on other elite fighters.
It's probably the reason why Finito Lopez never became a legend. Too many bouts against faceless Asian fighters at 105 when he instead could have cemented his greatness by moving up and challenging Carbajal and Chiquita.

Hopefully Inoue won't make that mistake but he'll probably need to leave his Japanese nest to attain superstar status.

Leave Japan for who? Seriously Cuadras aside (who is co prompted by teiken anyway) what is there to leave Japan for? A few american fans who have no interest in the division he's said he wants to fight in? If he moves up any time soon its for a super fight with Yamanaka, Fuji TV bankroll his fights and have deep pockets (especially regarding the division) and his viewer base is unthinkable for a fighter in the west.

You need to come to America if you're going to become a true boxing superstar.
You don't think Pacquiao would be where he is today if he spent his career toiling in Manila.
Inoue might forever be a legend in Japan but the rest of the world will remain unfamiliar with him if he stays there.

Go to the US and be watched by 250,000 on an undercard...or stay in Japan and be seen by 10,000,000 fans at home, plus fans of fighters in the opponents backyard...oh I wonder which option is better...

Pacquiao had NOTABLE Mexican opponents to build his name on, do you think if there was no Morales and Barrera that Pacquiao would be half the star he is? There is no equivalent for Inoue. The likes of Cuadras, Gonzalez and Paul Butler and unknown themselves in the US.

The idea that the US is where superstars are made is a continued fallacy that seems to be engrained in to some people as if all fighters CAN become stars in the US where few people watch the sport. I'm not sure on your definition of stardom but to me a star is seen by millions, not a few hundred thousand.