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I like Fury in the shape he was in against Cunningham, prepared to use his feet when necessary and size when necessary. That was a hard knockdown, he ran into it, spazzing out and leading with his chin. But he recovered, and was fine after that. Wilder is a different set of problems, the better athlete has a distinct advantage in my opinion. Interesting fight.

Exactly too many morons saying that Tyson has a glass chin. If he ever goes down he recovers very quickly and doesn't seem to be an issue for him. A glass chinned boxer gets tagged and can't defend himself and recuperate.
If you put Tyson down, in the end it's the worst thing you can do as you've annoyed him then.
Yes of course we are talking about Wilder who hits harder than most but Tyson finds a way to win. I'd be interested to see what Wilder's plan B is when he finally gets tagged.

If Wilder and Fury start to go toe to toe I can see Wilder knocking him out

This would be one of my dream fights today. I like them both. It's a great match up.

tiny_acres wrote:This would be one of my dream fights today. I like them both. It's a great match up.

Fury-Wilder really needs to happen. If there is a clear winner between them, he is the undisputed #1 contender, almost a people's champ. Please no Tarvers, Briggs, Spilkvas stand in the way.

An Ugly KO waiting to happen. Wilder is too powerful for Fury and Fury is easy to hit.

Two glass jaws, easily worse than Wlad's. Fury is more durable but Wilder is the harder puncher. The question will be if Wilder's power is a bit overrated and he's unable to get Fury out of there, will he have a plan B? If not then Fury will grind him out and stop him, but if Wilder's power does make Fury crap his hiked up trunks then it's going to be an easy night.

Too much is made of Wilder's chin. He took some flush shots from Stiverne and never buckled. Wlad rarely gets hit clean, but when he does, he seems to stagger or go down. Just about every one of Wlad's opponents suffer from height and reach disadvantage. And Wlad uses his length so well, that they never get close to his chin. That is what makes a Wilder/Wlad fight so interesting. I believe Wilder is taller and has more of a reach advantage than Wlad. Wilder showed that he can utilize the jab extremely well against Stiverne. How will Wlad react to a fighter whose jab is longer than his and will reach him first??? I don't think he will react very well.

Another thing about Wilder's power. I knew a lot of people would be questioning his power had he not stopped Bermane. Bermane has a solid chin. Deontay is the only man to have floored him. And yes, Stiverne was floored at the end of that round. Had he not tackled and brought down Wilder with him, he would have went down and it would have been counted as a knock down.

Impractical Poster wrote:Too much is made of Wilder's chin. He took some flush shots from Stiverne and never buckled. Wlad rarely gets hit clean, but when he does, he seems to stagger or go down. Just about every one of Wlad's opponents suffer from height and reach disadvantage. And Wlad uses his length so well, that they never get close to his chin. That is what makes a Wilder/Wlad fight so interesting. I believe Wilder is taller and has more of a reach advantage than Wlad. Wilder showed that he can utilize the jab extremely well against Stiverne. How will Wlad react to a fighter whose jab is longer than his and will reach him first??? I don't think he will react very well.

Another thing about Wilder's power. I knew a lot of people would be questioning his power had he not stopped Bermane. Bermane has a solid chin. Deontay is the only man to have floored him. And yes, Stiverne was floored at the end of that round. Had he not tackled and brought down Wilder with him, he would have went down and it would have been counted as a knock down.

I agree 100%
Stiverne was knocked down.

After watching the fight, ( wilder-stiver e), i must that im quite impressed/surpriced by wilders performace. Ive never been keen on fury. In my eyes he is a giant, that moves slowly and robotic, and seems to be easy to hit and not with the best of jaws.
Wilder by ko within 3 rounds, probaply r1 ko.
And if wilder goes all in against wlad, id say he has an ok cance of koing him. "Boxing" wlad probaply wont end good for wilder.

Impractical Poster wrote:Too much is made of Wilder's chin. He took some flush shots from Stiverne and never buckled. Wlad rarely gets hit clean, but when he does, he seems to stagger or go down. Just about every one of Wlad's opponents suffer from height and reach disadvantage. And Wlad uses his length so well, that they never get close to his chin. That is what makes a Wilder/Wlad fight so interesting. I believe Wilder is taller and has more of a reach advantage than Wlad. Wilder showed that he can utilize the jab extremely well against Stiverne. How will Wlad react to a fighter whose jab is longer than his and will reach him first??? I don't think he will react very well.

Another thing about Wilder's power. I knew a lot of people would be questioning his power had he not stopped Bermane. Bermane has a solid chin. Deontay is the only man to have floored him. And yes, Stiverne was floored at the end of that round. Had he not tackled and brought down Wilder with him, he would have went down and it would have been counted as a knock down.

A couple of errors.. Stiverne didn't really land with full authority, and on the lesser shots, Wilder was on some shaky legs. Stiverne suffered from the same height and reach disparity with Wilder as you're saying Wlad's opponents do, yet he landed flush in your estimation. So do we conclude that Wilder is easier to hit? If so, then how on earth could he be considered a favorite over Wlad?

I'm not questioning his power from the Stiverne fight, I got the impression beforehand, especially when he landed flush on freakin Zelenoff and couldn't put him out. Wilder throws arm punches that tend to find targets to the back of opponents' heads. He can punch, but the level of power is exaggerated. With that said, Stiverne really has fought no one to show he has a great chin. Good chin? Sure. Great? Probably not so much..

I think that Fury would win easily. Fury looked vastly improved in his last fight, totally dominating Chisora.

Blodhemn wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Too much is made of Wilder's chin. He took some flush shots from Stiverne and never buckled. Wlad rarely gets hit clean, but when he does, he seems to stagger or go down. Just about every one of Wlad's opponents suffer from height and reach disadvantage. And Wlad uses his length so well, that they never get close to his chin. That is what makes a Wilder/Wlad fight so interesting. I believe Wilder is taller and has more of a reach advantage than Wlad. Wilder showed that he can utilize the jab extremely well against Stiverne. How will Wlad react to a fighter whose jab is longer than his and will reach him first??? I don't think he will react very well.

Another thing about Wilder's power. I knew a lot of people would be questioning his power had he not stopped Bermane. Bermane has a solid chin. Deontay is the only man to have floored him. And yes, Stiverne was floored at the end of that round. Had he not tackled and brought down Wilder with him, he would have went down and it would have been counted as a knock down.

Stiverne suffered from the same height and reach disparity with Wilder as you're saying Wlad's opponents do, yet he landed flush in your estimation. So do we conclude that Wilder is easier to hit? If so, then how on earth could he be considered a favorite over Wlad?

Wilder is not as defensive minded as Wlad. Wilder takes more chances. Even though Wilder would enjoy some advantages in reach and height if they fight, he will be the lighter guy. It would be foolish for Wilder to take as many chances as he has been thus far. But, I feel he will utilize his jab in such a manner where it will keep Wlad at bay. Something we have not seen Wlad have to deal with before. Wlad will be the one that is forced to come forward. And when he does, we will see how his chin stands up against Wilder's power.

Wilder is not as defensive minded as Wlad. Wilder takes more chances. Even though Wilder would enjoy some advantages in reach and height if they fight, he will be the lighter guy. It would be foolish for Wilder to take as many chances as he has been thus far. But, I feel he will utilize his jab in such a manner where it will keep Wlad at bay. Something Wlad has not had to deal with before. Wlad will be the one that is forced to come forward. And when he does, we will see how his chin stands up against Wilder's power.

You've got it backwards. Nobody has a jab like Wlad. I doubt if Wilder could last two rounds. When Stiverne made one of his infrequent plodding attacks Wilder showed an incompetent defense, throwing up his arms. Stiverne never followed up. Wilder has pencil legs and a poor defense and is a knockout waiting to happen.

x2x wrote:

Wilder is not as defensive minded as Wlad. Wilder takes more chances. Even though Wilder would enjoy some advantages in reach and height if they fight, he will be the lighter guy. It would be foolish for Wilder to take as many chances as he has been thus far. But, I feel he will utilize his jab in such a manner where it will keep Wlad at bay. Something Wlad has not had to deal with before. Wlad will be the one that is forced to come forward. And when he does, we will see how his chin stands up against Wilder's power.

You've got it backwards. Nobody has a jab like Wlad. I doubt if Wilder could last two rounds. When Stiverne made one of his infrequent plodding attacks Wilder showed an incompetent defense, throwing up his arms. Stiverne never followed up. Wilder has pencil legs and a poor defense and is a knockout waiting to happen.

I disagree about Wilder's jab. Breland is doing a great job with Wilder. He is still developing and will only be better if and when he fights Wlad.

x2x wrote:I think that Fury would win easily. Fury looked vastly improved in his last fight, totally dominating Chisora.

Havent seen that one. How did chisora show up for that fight. Ive seen afew with chisora, and there is a big difference quality from time to time imo.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Too much is made of Wilder's chin. He took some flush shots from Stiverne and never buckled. Wlad rarely gets hit clean, but when he does, he seems to stagger or go down. Just about every one of Wlad's opponents suffer from height and reach disadvantage. And Wlad uses his length so well, that they never get close to his chin. That is what makes a Wilder/Wlad fight so interesting. I believe Wilder is taller and has more of a reach advantage than Wlad. Wilder showed that he can utilize the jab extremely well against Stiverne. How will Wlad react to a fighter whose jab is longer than his and will reach him first??? I don't think he will react very well.

Another thing about Wilder's power. I knew a lot of people would be questioning his power had he not stopped Bermane. Bermane has a solid chin. Deontay is the only man to have floored him. And yes, Stiverne was floored at the end of that round. Had he not tackled and brought down Wilder with him, he would have went down and it would have been counted as a knock down.

Stiverne suffered from the same height and reach disparity with Wilder as you're saying Wlad's opponents do, yet he landed flush in your estimation. So do we conclude that Wilder is easier to hit? If so, then how on earth could he be considered a favorite over Wlad?

Wilder is not as defensive minded as Wlad. Wilder takes more chances. Even though Wilder would enjoy some advantages in reach and height if they fight, he will be the lighter guy. It would be foolish for Wilder to take as many chances as he has been thus far. But, I feel he will utilize his jab in such a manner where it will keep Wlad at bay. Something we have not seen Wlad have to deal with before. Wlad will be the one that is forced to come forward. And when he does, we will see how his chin stands up against Wilder's power.

I think you're hastily assuming that Wilder would keep Wlad at bay with his jab. I imagine that you're basing this on the Stiverne fight but Ray Austin, who was destroyed in two by Wlad, did the same to Stiverne for most of their ten round bout. Wlad is much better than Stiverne and much bigger, and I'm far from convinced that Wilder's jab would be nearly as effective against him as it was against a short, plodding boxer who already had major problems with the length of a tall but relatively mediocre opponent.

Wlad has also excelled against multiple contenders who were roughly his height that he couldn't keep outside his reach with the jab, but Wilder hasn't faced an opponent with comparable size who was any better than Audley Harrison, and you shouldn't forget that Harrison was knocked cold by David Price in little over a minute prior to fighting Wilder. Reading your posts one could get the impression that you think Wilder is more proven than Wlad even though the former has beaten one top ten opponent while the latter has beaten loads of them and ruled the division for years; I guess that beating Bermane Stiverne, someone who a few bouts earlier was losing to Ray Austin before pulling out a late win, can go a hell of a long way in the mind of someone who dislikes Wlad (I say this based on your posting history) and is looking for a fighter to beat him.

Exactly too many morons saying that Tyson has a glass chin. If he ever goes down he recovers very quickly and doesn't seem to be an issue for him. A glass chinned boxer gets tagged and can't defend himself and recuperate.
If you put Tyson down, in the end it's the worst thing you can do as you've annoyed him then.
Yes of course we are talking about Wilder who hits harder than most but Tyson finds a way to win. I'd be interested to see what Wilder's plan B is when he finally gets tagged.

I understand your point, but given how Fury was dropped by Pajkic and Cunningham I question whether he'd recover similarly against someone with Wilder's power. The result of a fight between them may well hinge on the answer to that.

Fury-Wilder is a bout I'd love to see, and it would help show how each of them deals with a world class opponent roughly their size. Boxing as they did against significantly shorter foes in Chisora and Stiverne would probably not be effective.

Butterbean wrote:

x2x wrote:I think that Fury would win easily. Fury looked vastly improved in his last fight, totally dominating Chisora.

Havent seen that one. How did chisora show up for that fight. Ive seen afew with chisora, and there is a big difference quality from time to time imo.

He showed up just fine. His problem was the way he finished.

The way Fury KO'd Cunningham shows you how his height advantage helps. Cunningham was out of gas for one thing, but when Fury got him on the ropes, being much taller enabled him to put his forearm across Cunningham's face and eyes setting up the final punch that Cunningham was not able to see. It wasn't even that hard of a punch. Both looked sloppy and very average at that point.

Maybe Fury can take some of Wilder's big shots like Stiverne can, maybe not. I think we all know he will get hit with them if they fight.

crusader wrote:
I think you're hastily assuming that Wilder would keep Wlad at bay with his jab. I imagine that you're basing this on the Stiverne fight but Ray Austin, who was destroyed in two by Wlad, did the same to Stiverne for most of their ten round bout. Wlad is much better than Stiverne and much bigger, and I'm far from convinced that Wilder's jab would be nearly as effective against him as it was against a short, plodding boxer who already had major problems with the length of a tall but relatively mediocre opponent.

Wlad has also excelled against multiple contenders who were roughly his height that he couldn't keep outside his reach with the jab, but Wilder hasn't faced an opponent with comparable size who was any better than Audley Harrison, and you shouldn't forget that Harrison was knocked cold by David Price in little over a minute prior to fighting Wilder. Reading your posts one could get the impression that you think Wilder is more proven than Wlad even though the former has beaten one top ten opponent while the latter has beaten loads of them and ruled the division for years; I guess that beating Bermane Stiverne, someone who a few bouts earlier was losing to Ray Austin before pulling out a late win, can go a hell of a long way in the mind of someone who dislikes Wlad (I say this based on your posting history) and is looking for a fighter to beat him.

The Austin/Stiverne fight was relatively close going in to the 10th round. Wilder pretty much dominated Stiverne.

While I can be critical of Wlad's performances, I have always acknowledged that he was the top guy. This is the first time I can remember, correct me if I'm wrong, that I have picked anyone to beat him in well over a decade.

Impractical Poster wrote:

x2x wrote:

Wilder is not as defensive minded as Wlad. Wilder takes more chances. Even though Wilder would enjoy some advantages in reach and height if they fight, he will be the lighter guy. It would be foolish for Wilder to take as many chances as he has been thus far. But, I feel he will utilize his jab in such a manner where it will keep Wlad at bay. Something Wlad has not had to deal with before. Wlad will be the one that is forced to come forward. And when he does, we will see how his chin stands up against Wilder's power.

You've got it backwards. Nobody has a jab like Wlad. I doubt if Wilder could last two rounds. When Stiverne made one of his infrequent plodding attacks Wilder showed an incompetent defense, throwing up his arms. Stiverne never followed up. Wilder has pencil legs and a poor defense and is a knockout waiting to happen.

I disagree about Wilder's jab. Breland is doing a great job with Wilder. He is still developing and will only be better if and when he fights Wlad.

if Wlad and Wilder were ever to fight, IP, I am sure we would be shown that jabbing Wlad repeatedly is much more difficult than jbbing a sparkplug like Stiverne. I am saying smacking Stiverne repeatedly doesn't necessarily mean he'd so much as touch Wlad's chin with a jab; that fight gives us little - no indication how Wilder's jab would impact Wlad.

Wlad would beat Stiverne very easily.

I'm not sure if Wlad could take Wilder's shots as well as Stiverne did. Wilder may KO Wlad.

Oh to answer the actual question, tough call, but I'd go with Wilder over Fury, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went the other way.

Impractical Poster wrote:

crusader wrote:
I think you're hastily assuming that Wilder would keep Wlad at bay with his jab. I imagine that you're basing this on the Stiverne fight but Ray Austin, who was destroyed in two by Wlad, did the same to Stiverne for most of their ten round bout. Wlad is much better than Stiverne and much bigger, and I'm far from convinced that Wilder's jab would be nearly as effective against him as it was against a short, plodding boxer who already had major problems with the length of a tall but relatively mediocre opponent.

Wlad has also excelled against multiple contenders who were roughly his height that he couldn't keep outside his reach with the jab, but Wilder hasn't faced an opponent with comparable size who was any better than Audley Harrison, and you shouldn't forget that Harrison was knocked cold by David Price in little over a minute prior to fighting Wilder. Reading your posts one could get the impression that you think Wilder is more proven than Wlad even though the former has beaten one top ten opponent while the latter has beaten loads of them and ruled the division for years; I guess that beating Bermane Stiverne, someone who a few bouts earlier was losing to Ray Austin before pulling out a late win, can go a hell of a long way in the mind of someone who dislikes Wlad (I say this based on your posting history) and is looking for a fighter to beat him.

The Austin/Stiverne fight was relatively close going in to the 10th round. Wilder pretty much dominated Stiverne.

While I can be critical of Wlad's performances, I have always acknowledged that he was the top guy. This is the first time I can remember, correct me if I'm wrong, that I have picked anyone to beat him in well over a decade.

I thought Stiverne-Austin was a fairly clear 6-3 for Austin apart from the deduction, which is also how two of the judges and Harold Lederman scored the bout. Obviously it wasn't as lopsided overall as Wilder-Stiverne was, but Austin won several rounds by large margins and made Stiverne look painfully limited at times largely just by jabbing from range. Stiverne has no other professional wins against tall opponents who were generally considered even fringe contenders, and his only wins of note aside from Austin came over an opponent roughly his height who pressured him inside, meaning that I think his ability to effectively cope with tall opponents who fight him from range and possess at least decent ability is very questionable. In light of this, I don't see how Wilder outpointing him in the manner he did is strong enough evidence to conclude that the former would outjab Wlad, someone who has shown the effectiveness of his jab for years against various types of opponents and is much bigger and better than Stiverne, which I think is shown by comparing their fights with Ray Austin among other things.

I'm not sure of your exact prediction history, but I have gleaned that you are consistently negative about Wlad and to me it seems like that's a factor in your hastiness to declare that Wilder would beat him. In fact, the only people I've seen display such confidence about Wilder seem to be generally negative toward Wlad.

crusader wrote: I'm not sure of your exact prediction history, but I have gleaned that you are consistently negative about Wlad and to me it seems like that's a factor in your hastiness to declare that Wilder would beat him. In fact, the only people I've seen display such confidence about Wilder seem to be generally negative toward Wlad.

I have really only been hypercritical of Wlad within the past couple years. I feel he fouls quite a bit and his fights have become increasingly difficult to digest. I expect there to be a trend where people liking Wilder dislike Wlad. That is because they are different in many ways. Wilder brings something new and exciting to the division. And people are attracted to that. Showtime's numbers for his title win are indicative of this.

TBH, I cannot remember a time where I ever picked against Wlad. If he ever faces Wilder, I believe it will be the first time. I usually do not pick the outcome of fights with my heart. However, I admit, there have been a couple times. But, not with Wlad.

I'm a Brit but got to say Fury is terrible & has been well matched to avoid anyone who can bang, even then he's been dropped!

Still not sold on Wilder but if you put Tyson in there with a guy who's not concerned by his height & reach, plus can throw bombs at his chin & Fury is done.