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rio wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Mine are

Degale, Frampton maybe Campbell and Johsua but another 18months will give a better picture of those two.

By picking degale and frampton your saying they could be beat ward and rigo?

They potentially could do.

Ward hasn't fought for close to 18 months. he beat Froch over 3 years ago now and has had two fights since against a weight drained Dawson and an untested contender Rodriguez.

He may not be the same fighter as before who knows....

As for Rigo the last fight shown he is not untouchable and it has been near two years since the Donaire fight. Obviously would be favourite against Carl but He has a decent chance.

I'm a big fan of Callum smith but when you have fighters like Andre ward about who'll move up to l.heavy like smith it's impossible to be dominant not to mention the other quality. He will become a world champion I believe & possibly at two weights even 3 as I think he could end up a cruiserweight

Frampton. ................ If you class him as British.

Naandrew wrote:

rio wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Mine are

Degale, Frampton maybe Campbell and Johsua but another 18months will give a better picture of those two.

By picking degale and frampton your saying they could be beat ward and rigo?

They potentially could do.

Ward hasn't fought for close to 18 months. he beat Froch over 3 years ago now and has had two fights since against a weight drained Dawson and an untested contender Rodriguez.

Sounds like you're basing that judgement on a perceived weakness of Ward's recent record. In which case, what has Degale done recently to make you believe he can hang with Ward?

I rate Degale, but the the only way he gets to be top dog at 168lbs is if Ward moves up in my view.

davie wrote:As with Frankie Gavin, James Degale and BJS 4 years earlier.

Billy Joe Saunders is 21-0, mandatory for a world title fight. When did he 'got find out'.

In the amateurs, yes, he was terrible at the Olympics but to be fair, our performance in China was a mix bag.

J-C wrote:what has Degale done recently to make you believe he can hang with Ward?

Stopping Periban? If you can call that a stoppage.

DeGale is very technical, has a versatile style and can punch as well. Ward should be seen as favorite, but I think DeGale has a talent to beat him.

UrbanFox wrote:

davie wrote:As with Frankie Gavin, James Degale and BJS 4 years earlier.

Billy Joe Saunders is 21-0, mandatory for a world title fight. When did he 'got find out'.

In the amateurs, yes, he was terrible at the Olympics but to be fair, our performance in China was a mix bag.

What i said was-
"Personally I think they all might get found out at the top level and theres far too much hype getting piled on guys like these by Sky and Matchroom.
As with Frankie Gavin, James Degale and BJS 4 years earlier."

I was referring to them getting hype from the promoters and broadcasters like the olympians before them. Not being found out.

the 2008 class were going to rule the world, yet even with a 4 year head start not one has had a title fight let alone laid there hands on a belt.
Now some are telling us that Luke Campbell, Anthony Joshua, Agogo and C Smith will not only win titles but rule their respective divisions and I think we need to see through the hype and realise that these guys, albeit talented, have fought no one and have a lot to do to prove themselves before we start predicting p4p rated undisputed champion status.

We don't even know if they'll make it much past european level (see frankie gavin)

But to touch on your point, I don't think BJS is world class. I will be surprized if he dethrones any current champion and I'd pick Martin Murray to be too much for him right now

Kid Gallahad looks to me like he has lots of potential

I think it's going to be difficult for many a fighter because of the versions of world title. Say for example Ward moves up, Froch retires and Groves fights DeGale for the world title..... Many might consider that 1 vs 2, but a case could be made for Abraham, Sturm, maybe even Dirrel/s or Kessler.

Like with Joe Calzaghe, many considered him #1 immediately post Eubank - but I guess there was also a case for other fighters until he beat Kessler.

So it would take really someone to beat the man..... Now will Khan have caught Mayweather/Pac winner at the right time come the winter.... if he fights and beats one of them, even on the slide there could be no dispute he's the #1. Might not happen but I think those who think he hasn't a pray are "having a laugh".

Tarkus wrote:

J-C wrote:what has Degale done recently to make you believe he can hang with Ward?

Stopping Periban? If you can call that a stoppage.

DeGale is very technical, has a versatile style and can punch as well. Ward should be seen as favorite, but I think DeGale has a talent to beat him.

Yes Ward will be favourite but Degale seems to have that edge since joining Matchroom which he was seriously lacking on channel 5. Not saying he would win but the thread title is potentially being the best and I think he can.

Ian1973 wrote:Frampton. ................ If you class him as British.

Not sure I follow - being from Belfast (which I believe is in Northern Ireland) he is as British as a boxer from England, Wales or Scotland.

bripez wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Frampton. ................ If you class him as British.

Not sure I follow - being from Belfast (which I believe is in Northern Ireland) he is as British as a boxer from England, Wales or Scotland.

Yeah I suppose. It's across water though. ;;-)

bripez wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Frampton. ................ If you class him as British.

Not sure I follow - being from Belfast (which I believe is in Northern Ireland) he is as British as a boxer from England, Wales or Scotland.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No one from there is really British because they're not from Britain, but they are UK citizens. And some would say that Belfast is in Ireland, so he's Irish.

expe wrote:

bripez wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Frampton. ................ If you class him as British.

Not sure I follow - being from Belfast (which I believe is in Northern Ireland) he is as British as a boxer from England, Wales or Scotland.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No one from there is really British because they're not from Britain, but they are UK citizens. And some would say that Belfast is in Ireland, so he's Irish.

Thanks for the Geography lesson.

In the context of the question that was posted on a Boxing site, it would not be unreasonable for a boxer who is eligible to Box for the British Title to be considered British.

Frampton is irish, yous brits have 50 odd million people to choose from leave our 5 million irish alone.

commenting on his decision to box for the Irish team, Frampton who grew up in a predominantly Unionist area of Belfast, said "I get asked all the time, 'would you have liked to have boxed for Great Britain?' And the answer is 'no'. I was looked after by Irish boxing from pretty much 11 years old and was very proud to box for Ireland."

bripez wrote:

expe wrote: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No one from there is really British because they're not from Britain, but they are UK citizens. And some would say that Belfast is in Ireland, so he's Irish.

Thanks for the Geography lesson.

Not exactly a good lesson. Ireland is a part of what is referred to as British Isles. So technically you could call Irish British.

In my opinion I have Joshua as likely.

I have Smith, Yafai, Brook, Frampton and Campbell as potentially.

watsupdoc87 wrote:Frampton is irish, yous brits have 50 odd million people to choose from leave our 5 million irish alone.

commenting on his decision to box for the Irish team, Frampton who grew up in a predominantly Unionist area of Belfast, said "I get asked all the time, 'would you have liked to have boxed for Great Britain?' And the answer is 'no'. I was looked after by Irish boxing from pretty much 11 years old and was very proud to box for Ireland."

It's the British and Irish forum. We had this tedious debate with John Duddy many moons ago. "We" didn't even want him either!

Frampton is Norhern Irish to me. Make him a Brit? I couldn't care less, I'm English, British means little to me. Irish boxing made him who he is, so fair play to him, he can see himself as whatever he likes.

I like Frampton and think he beats Quigg ( overrated and matches up poorly with Carl ) but Rigo beats him with a bit to spare and there are others around the weight who would do for Frampton too. Carl is a little overrated himself. I see Rendall Munroe deal with Kiko Martinez years ago. Perspective. He's been well matched.

On the subject of Irish fighters, BJS could well relinquish Lee of his belt. Not sure he will ever become the man at middleweight though.

lillywhite14 wrote:

watsupdoc87 wrote:Frampton is irish, yous brits have 50 odd million people to choose from leave our 5 million irish alone.

commenting on his decision to box for the Irish team, Frampton who grew up in a predominantly Unionist area of Belfast, said "I get asked all the time, 'would you have liked to have boxed for Great Britain?' And the answer is 'no'. I was looked after by Irish boxing from pretty much 11 years old and was very proud to box for Ireland."

It's the British and Irish forum. We had this tedious debate with John Duddy many moons ago. "We" didn't even want him either!

Frampton is Norhern Irish to me. Make him a Brit? I couldn't care less, I'm English, British means little to me. Irish boxing made him who he is, so fair play to him, he can see himself as whatever he likes.

I like Frampton and think he beats Quigg ( overrated and matches up poorly with Carl ) but Rigo beats him with a bit to spare and there are others around the weight who would do for Frampton too. Carl is a little overrated himself. I see Rendall Munroe deal with Kiko Martinez years ago. Perspective. He's been well matched.

On the subject of Irish fighters, BJS could well relinquish Lee of his belt. Not sure he will ever become the man at middleweight though.

Prime Rendall would beat both current versions of Quigg and Frampton. He was a monster of a man for a while.

rd350lc wrote: ↑23 Jan 2015, 18:21 Kid Gallahad looks to me like he has lots of potential

After his fight on the Brook undercard I'm not so sure about that.
Too easy to hit.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 18:59

rd350lc wrote: ↑23 Jan 2015, 18:21 Kid Gallahad looks to me like he has lots of potential

After his fight on the Brook undercard I'm not so sure about that.
Too easy to hit.

In fairness, he wrote that over 3 years ago. None of us knew at the time what a rascal Kid Galahad’s brother would turn out to be. They were simpler times.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:10

KiwiRider wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 18:59

rd350lc wrote: ↑23 Jan 2015, 18:21 Kid Gallahad looks to me like he has lots of potential

After his fight on the Brook undercard I'm not so sure about that.
Too easy to hit.

In fairness, he wrote that over 3 years ago. None of us knew at the time what a rascal Kid Galahad’s brother would turn out to be. They were simpler times.

I know, and in three years (and 21 fights) Kid is still looking basic and hittable. No question about power, he has it.

That Bellew, huh? Going nowhere!

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