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jujigatame wrote:In all seriousness, Saunders as mandatory is a joke, he's beaten nobody and anyone in their right mind would rather see Qullin/Lee.

He's beaten 4 unbeaten fighters in a row, British, Commonwealth, European champion, some quality fighters on his record. Just because you haven't heard of them and they're not American, doesn't mean they're bad fighters. He stepped aside so that Lee could fight Korobov for the title. Quillin has no business being in a world title fight right now, he hasn't earned one after dumping the belt less than 6 months ago. I'd much rather see Lee fight Saunders than Quillin.

expe wrote:

jujigatame wrote:In all seriousness, Saunders as mandatory is a joke, he's beaten nobody and anyone in their right mind would rather see Qullin/Lee.

He's beaten 4 unbeaten fighters in a row, British, Commonwealth, European champion, some quality fighters on his record. Just because you haven't heard of them and they're not American, doesn't mean they're bad fighters. He stepped aside so that Lee could fight Korobov for the title. Quillin has no business being in a world title fight right now, he hasn't earned one after dumping the belt less than 6 months ago. I'd much rather see Lee fight Saunders than Quillin.

I watched the Eubank fight. Saunders is mediocre. Eubank did absolutely nothing for half the fight and Saunders still barely beat him. I wouldn't really describe any of Saunders opponents as "quality", either. I mean who are we talking about? Blandamura? Fletcher?

The belt doesn't mean anything to me. I'd much rather see a match between 2 top guys than a match between 1 top guy and a fringe contender. I'm shocked any boxing fan would see it differently.

Haymon see's Lee as beatable and that may very well backfire on him. Quillin doesn't like pressure, Gabe was getting to him breakin him down. Peter leaves that chin out to dry sometimes too, Lee can crack. BJS should get a fat stack of cash, he's already waited on Lee previously. At least the middleweights are looking better..... I think Lemieux is a wildcard, could ko a lot of these guys

If the Quitting fight goes ahead I hope Lee gives me an early birthday present and KTFO Kid Ducking!

It would be interesting to see what he would actually get for that bout rather than just what's speculated. Had he been permitted to take the Korobov fight I think he'd still have the WBO belt, another win over an unbeaten opponent, recent activity rather than nearly a year out of the ring, a better reputation, and the opportunity to earn a large purse in his next fight (since Haymon fighters apparently get paid so well) in addition to the $1.4 million.

I am wondering what are the sources for paying at least 1.4 mil plus at least 0.4 mil to the opponent (likely at least 2 mil total) to participants of an undercard fight barely known to wide audience ?

I'm not sure who that comment is directed toward since you responded shortly after my post but didn't address the specific points I made, but I think world titles are still important from a business perspective. Maybe it was prudent for Quillin to vacate, but hazy speculation about him making some grand purse for his next bout doesn't convince me of that. You also have to consider the opportunity cost of him being inactive for a year and passing on a $1.4 million payday instead of staying busy, pocketing that money, and earning a large purse in his next bout.

ikorolev wrote:I am wondering what are the sources for paying at least 1.4 mil plus at least 0.4 mil to the opponent (likely at least 2 mil total) to participants of an undercard fight barely known to wide audience ?

Lee will be on $1 million if he fights Quillin.

As it is, I can't see the fight happening, Fat Dan is looking at it from completely the wrong angle.

expe wrote:

ikorolev wrote:I am wondering what are the sources for paying at least 1.4 mil plus at least 0.4 mil to the opponent (likely at least 2 mil total) to participants of an undercard fight barely known to wide audience ?

Lee will be on $1 million if he fights Quillin.

As it is, I can't see the fight happening, Fat Dan is looking at it from completely the wrong angle.

So, where are 2.5 mil are coming from ? These two are not adding much to viewing or gate numbers.

And not one of those fighters is making well-over $1.4 million. I think it's still to early to say if Quillin's been hard done by and if so to what extent, but as I posted earlier:

It would be interesting to see what he would actually get for that bout rather than just what's speculated. Had he been permitted to take the Korobov fight I think he'd still have the WBO belt, another win over an unbeaten opponent, recent activity rather than nearly a year out of the ring, a better reputation, and the opportunity to earn a large purse in his next fight (since Haymon fighters apparently get paid so well) in addition to the $1.4 million.

Maybe it was prudent for Quillin to vacate, but hazy speculation about him making some grand purse for his next bout doesn't convince me of that. You also have to consider the opportunity cost of him being inactive for a year and passing on a $1.4 million payday instead of staying busy, pocketing that money, and earning a large purse in his next bout.

jujigatame wrote:I watched the Eubank fight. Saunders is mediocre. Eubank did absolutely nothing for half the fight and Saunders still barely beat him...a fringe contender.

so if saunders is "mediocre" for beating eubank, then eubank would be less than mediocre, and if lee
shouldn't fight saunders because he is a "fringe contender", then "fringe contenders" must also be
"mediocre", now. when you have to pull out a list of world ranked guys in order to show someone isn't
good in comparison, consequently in your mind making him "mediocre", you fail. there are maybe about
20 middleweights in the entire world who could beat saunders, and we have no way of knowing at this
point how many of those 20 could do it, yet. it could be only about 10 or so.

fergusg wrote:There seems to be a really strange dichotomy amongst BoxRec forum users… they persistently state that world titles no longer matter, as they're "meaningless", but then they criticise fighters for choosing vacate their belts for financial, political or prestige reasons.

You can’t have it both ways!

I see this is an old ass comment, but you must admit its an odd decision to vacate here.

Peter was getting a career high payday vs a guy he'd have been heavily favored over & he didn't do anything else. He just sat. If he had wanted to sit is the reasoning for him not accepting a career high payday fair enough, but the usual situation guys find themselves in with abc belts doesn't really apply here. This seemed like a great situation for Peter & much less so for Al Haymon in that he'd have to eff with Jay Z on some level & they obviously got beef. This decision had little to nothing to do with Peter just going the occams razor route.

No, Haymon paid Quillin $500k to not take the Korobov fight. Not a bad days work for doing nothing.

El Raincoat wrote:No, Haymon paid Quillin $500k to not take the Korobov fight. Not a bad days work for doing nothing.

In that case missing out on the Korobov fight doesn't seem like as much of an issue.

Al sure has some deep pockets.

he is geting build. andy lee is a good fight

fergusg wrote: Did you watch the Eubank-Saunders fight?

yes i was on here discussing it when it happened. saunders won the fight

crusader wrote:

El Raincoat wrote:No, Haymon paid Quillin $500k to not take the Korobov fight. Not a bad days work for doing nothing.

In that case missing out on the Korobov fight doesn't seem like as much of an issue.

Al sure has some deep pockets.

Still lost $900k on what he could have had.

Hence 'as much'.

fergusg wrote: The thing that bothers me though, is casual boxing fans who actually know very little about the sport. They assume cowardice is the reason for fights not being made, as they’re far too lazy to bother to understand the political shenanigans that orchestrate the boxing landscape.

lol, but yea there are definitely an overflow of fans who think a guy should be fighting anyone on the planet for not much more than a buffet voucher & free parking & can't fathom the business of getting your value & the political clicks in boxing that help make some fights, but can sometimes prevent some fights.

El Raincoat wrote:No, Haymon paid Quillin $500k to not take the Korobov fight. Not a bad days work for doing nothing.

Hadn't heard any figures about this, but I had assumed he got something. And nah can't really blame a guy for taking half a mill for doing nothing instead of something & I'd be hard pressed to think of any situation this was ever a bad deal for the fighter.

expe wrote: Still lost $900k on what he could have had.

Sure, if the fight could have even been made without Al signing off. In the longer term future based on the seemingly obviously fact Al & Jay got issues he'd have lost his contract with Al or been in litigation over that contract & hurting his future. Overall the decision was to follow Al towards likely pots of gold under a rainbow with national TV fights.

Its definitely a weird spot that I haven't seen many guys if any guys in that sorta situation, but Peter made the correct move that I don't even believe is disputable looking at the overall picture.

That's a flawed method of calculation, because Quillin will have been inactive for nearly a year come fight time and could've very well fought Korobov for $1.4 million then have had another fight around the time he'll fight Lee.

verballistic wrote:

expe wrote:

crusader wrote:
In that case missing out on the Korobov fight doesn't seem like as much of an issue.

Al sure has some deep pockets.

Still lost $900k on what he could have had.

Recheck your math. If Quillin got $500k NOT to fight Korobov and gets $750k to fight the guy who beat Korobov, that comes out to $1.25 million while still only fighting ONE TIME, so Quillin is only getting $150k less than he would have made for fighting Korobov. And if he had lost to Korobov, he wouldnt be getting this world title bout on PRIME TIME NETWORK TV like he is now.

BOTTOM LINE: That $150k sounds like a reasonable penalty fee for punking out of the Korobov fight and letting a guy with bigger stones take care of Korobov for him.

But he could have $1.4 million and the $750k if he fought Korobov. If he thinks he can beat a man that stopped Korobov, why can't he beat Korobov? And having one fight isn't a good thing for him, he's going into the Lee fight off a year of inactivity.