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Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 05:36**

In 4 years Golovkin will be 37. Klitschko and Floyd are 38 today. That should mean that GGG is currently looking in the best position to reach the coveted prize.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 06:46**

Tarkus wrote:In 4 years Golovkin will be 37. Klitschko and Floyd are 38 today. That should mean that GGG is currently looking in the best position to reach the coveted prize.

He's definitely not in the best position. Wlad is. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush & all that.

Wlad is 5 fights away. GGG is 13 fights away. At best for either guy. And I like Wlad's position at HW more than I like GGG's position at 160lbs. Wlad, for all his faults, has proven he's the man @ HW, while GGG has kinda gotten his position by default with Sergio losing & Miguel not having GGG at the top of his to do list. You still gotta fight the fights & Wlad's best opponents are mostly behind him so he has & GGG's best opponents are still in front of him so he hasn't.

And lol at the "coveted prize".

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 09:06**

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 14:37**

the one thing that could help GGG out in this formula is if he ties up the major titles.
http://www.thv11.com/story/news/local/2 ... /23003169/
GGG is also interim WBC and the WBC has mentioned before that they need to
enable more unification fights. i could see GGG tying up the IBF and WBC this year
and i consider him the real WBA. that leaves the andy lee v quillin winner. if quillin
won and the WBO made GGG his mandatory, haymon would just tell him to vacate
again, and if lee won i actually think for the right money lee might fight GGG.
if everyone has to go through GGG for a major title fight, then every GGG fight
will be against the top guy people want to see him fight and he could become the
ppv king in just over a year.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 15:05**

sucracristo wrote:then every GGG fight
will be against the top guy people want to see him fight and he could become the
ppv king in just over a year.

Idk about GGG becoming the PPV king ever. I think the top guys could need to go thru GGG soon so I agree with you there. He's definitely the guy at 160 & any big fight at 160 not involving him ain't THAT big. The main issue is I don't see the monster movie fight titles at 160. Mayweather or Pacquiao vs the laundry joint owner down the street is gonna outsell anything GGG could do at 160 in my mind. Those 160 B sides is the problem basically. Maybe if the B sides can build themselves up a bit its possible, but that'll take years & GGG is turning 33 in a couple months. Time & big name opponents (B side or otherwise) isn't on his side. If you look at most of the PPV draws they became draws over time & had a much earlier starting with that growth or a big name to piggyback off of if their rise was quicker.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 02:17**

I think right now Golovkin is more dominant in his weight then Klitschko. At least there are Fury and Wilder with half chance to beat him. In middleweight there is perhaps only Cotto. It might change though in a few years.

Posted: **28 Apr 2015, 09:07**

Updated.

Klitschko Gains 3 pts. Stays at the same position
Golovkin Gains 4 pts climbs from No.26 to No.21
Abraham Gains 3 pts climbs from No.29 to No.24
Kovalev Gain 4 pts climbs from No.56 to No.52

Posted: **28 Apr 2015, 09:50**

IRLangmaid25 wrote:The fighters who are able to do reach 100 points for me would be

Wladimir K (as he is pretty near).
Gennady Golovkin.

Plus also ( in time)
Roman Gonzalez
Naoya Inoue
Terrace Crawford
Vasyl Lomanchenko.

Are the stands out

Inoue is a great shout as would be Kosei Tanaka. Neither have managed to get close to the list but could easily see both fighting top competition for a decade plus.

Posted: **28 Apr 2015, 14:40**

Are we counting IBO?

If not, then Naseem Hamed was 16-0 (14)

Which would give him 62 points, or 59 if you count the IBO loss to Barrera.

Posted: **28 Apr 2015, 15:36**

Lenny Cravats wrote:Are we counting IBO?

If not, then Naseem Hamed was 16-0 (14)

Which would give him 62 points, or 59 if you count the IBO loss to Barrera.

No we are not counting IBO, He is already on the list, ranked 15th with 62 points.

Posted: **28 Apr 2015, 16:22**

fergusg wrote:
Aaronide_ger wrote:Hello guys I created a list which is not completed yet and I need your help. The list consists of the best boxers that competed in World title fights.

Pt System: Win=3 Pts (KO=+1 Pt) , Draw=0 Pts , Lose= - 3 Pts (KO= -1 pt) (WIN-LOSE-DRAW)

**If 2 boxers tie in pts then the one with the most wins will be placed ahead of the other, if they have the same number of wins then the one with the least losses will be placed ahead of the other and if the have the same number of losses then the one with the least Draws will be placed ahead of the other, If they have the same numvber of draws then the one the with most KOs will be placed ahead of the winner

**In the HIGHEST KO% if a boxer that has a same % with another one he will be ranked higher IF he has more KOs.

**This list is just a ranking that shows which boxer had the most success in world title fights, dont take it seriously as there might be boxers with less pts that are better than others with less pts.

AS OF 2/6/2015

MOST WINS Julio Cesar Chavez Sr=31 Wins
MOST KNOCKOUTS Julio Cesar Chavez Sr=21 KOs
HIGHEST KO%(OVER 5 FIGHTS) Gennady Golovkin=100%
LOWEST KO%(OVER 5 FIGHTS) Timothy Bradley=9,09%
MOST FIGHTS Julio Cesar Chavez Sr=37 Fights
MOST LOSSES Evander Holyfield=7 Losses
MOST LOSSES KO Terry Norris=4 KOs

1. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. 31-4(3)-2 (21 KOs) , 99 pts , KO Ratio=56,75%
2. Ricardo Lopez 25-0-1 (19 KOs) , 94 pts , KO Ratio=73,07%
3. Omar Andrés Narváez 28-2(1)-1 (12 KOs) , 89 pts , KO Ratio=38,70%
4. Dariusz Michalczewski 25-2(1)-0 (20 KOs) , 88 pts , KO Ratio=74,07%
5. Wladimir Klitschko 25-2(2)-0 (19 KOs) , 86 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=70,37%
6. Floyd Mayweather 24-0-0 (10 KOs) , 82 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=41,66%
7. Joe Calzaghe 22-0-0 (11 KOs) , 77 pts , KO Ratio=50%
8. Bernard Hopkins 24-4-2 (13 KOs) , 73 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=43,33%
9. Oscar De La Hoya 24-5(1)-0 (17 KOs) , 73 pts , KO Ratio=58,62%
10. Sven Ottke 22-0-0 (5 KOs) , 71 pts , KO Ratio=22,72%
11. Roy Jones Jr 22-3(2)-0 (14 KOs) , 69 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=56%
12. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 22-2(1)-2 (8 KOs) , 67 pts , KO Ratio=30,76%
13. Marco Antonio Barrera 22-4-0 (12 KOs) , 66 pts , KO Ratio=46,15%
14. Virgil Hill 24-5(1)-0 (7 KOs) , 63 pts , KO Ratio=24,13%
15. Naseem Hamed 16-0-0 (14 KOs) , 62 pts , KO Ratio=87,5%
16. Larry Holmes 20-5(1)-0 (14 KOs) , 58 pts , KO Ratio=56%
17. Miguel Cotto 18-4(2)-0 (15 KOs) , 55 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=68,18%
18. Azumah Nelson 18-4(1)-2 (12 KOs) , 53 pts , KO Ratio=50%
19. Pernell Whitaker 19-3-1 (4 KOs) , 52 pts , KO Ratio=16,66%
20. Manny Pacquiao 18-3(1)-2 (8 KOs) , 52 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=34,78%
21. Gennady Golovkin 13-0-0 (13 KOs) , 52 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=100%
22. Terry Norris 19-6(4)-0 (14 KOs) , 49 pts , KO Ratio=56%
23. Erik Morales 18-5(1)-0 (11 KOs) , 49 pts , KO Ratio=47,82%
24. Arthur Abraham 17-3(1)-0 (8 KOs) , 49 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=40%
25. Vitali Klitschko 15-2(2)-0 (12 KOs) , 49 pts , KO Ratio=70,58%
26. Chris John 16-1(1)-2 (3 KOs) , 48 pts , KO Ratio=15,78%
27. Marvin Hagler 13-1-1 (12 KOs) , 48 pts , KO Ratio=80%
28. Lennox Lewis 15-2(2)-1 (10 KOs) , 47 pts , KO Ratio=55,55%
29. Kostya Tszyu 14-2(2)-0 (11 KOs) , 45 pts , KO Ratio=68,75%
30. Johnny Nelson 13-1-2 (7 KOs) , 43 pts , KO Ratio=43,75%
31. Aaron Pryor 11-0-0 (9 KOs) , 42 pts , KO Ratio=81,81%
32. Chris Eubank 17-5(1)-2 (5 KOs) , 40 pts , KO Ratio=20,83%
33. Roberto Duran 16-6(3)-0 (13 KOs) , 40 pts , KO Ratio=59.09%
34. Felix Sturm 15-3(1)-2 (5 KOs) , 40 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=25%
35. Roman Gonzalez 11-0-0 (7 KOs) , 40 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=63,63%
36. Thomas Hearns 15-4(3)-1 (9 KOs) , 39 pts , KO Ratio=45%
37. Mike McCallum 13-3-1 (8 KOs) , 38 pts , KO Ratio=47,05%
38. Veeraphol Sahaprom 14-3(2)-2 (6 KOs) , 37 pts , KO Ratio=31,57%
39. Evander Holyfield 16-7-2 (9 KOs) , 36 pts , KO Ratio=36%
40. Shane Mosley 15-7-0 (12 KOs) , 36 pts , KO Ratio=54,54%
41. Marco Huck 12-2(1)-1 (6 KOs) , 35 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=40%
42. Takashi Uchiyama 9-0-1 (8 KOs) , 35 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=80%
43. Gianfranco Rosi 13-2(2)-1 (3 KOs) , 34 pts , KO Ratio=18,75%
44. Nonito Donaire 11-2(1)-0 (7 KO) , 33 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=53,84%
45. James Toney 10-1-2 (5 KOs) , 32 pts , KO Ratio=38,46%
46. Sugar Ray Leonard 10-2-1 (8 KOs) , 32 pts , KO Ratio=61,53%
47. Mike Tyson 12-4(3)-0 (10 KOs) , 31 pts , KO Ratio=62,5%
48. Vic Darchinyan 12-5(2)-0 (10 KOs) , 29 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=58,82%
49. Carl Froch 10-2-0 (5 KOs) , 29 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=41,66%
50. Mikkel Kessler 10-3-0 (7 KOs) , 28 pts , KO Ratio=53,84%
51. Timothy Bradley 9-1-1 (1 KOs) , 25 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=9,09%
52. Guillermo Rigondeaux 7-0-0 (4 KOs) , 25 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=57,14%
53. Sergey Kovalev 6-0-0 (5 KOs) , 23 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=83,33%
54. Andre Ward 7-0-0 (1 KO) , 22 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=14,28%
55. Adrien Broner 6-1-0 (5 KOs) , 20 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=71,42%
56. Wilfred Benitez 8-2(1)-0 (2 KOs) , 19 pts , KO Ratio=20%
57. Canelo Alvarez 6-1-0 (3 KOs) , 18 pts (ACTIVE) , KO Ratio=42,85%
58. Hector Camacho 9-4-0 (2 KOs) , 17 pts , KO Ratio=15,38%
59. Donald Curry 9-5(4)-0 (7 KOs) , 15 pts , KO Ratio=50%
It appears that you need to relegate Joe Calzaghe, because according to your methodology, there’s a fighter that was the WBA World super flyweight title champion between 1984 & 1991 who may be ranked higher than him:

7. Khaosai Galaxy 20-0-0 (17 KOs) , 77 pts , KO Ratio=85,00%

Thanks a lot mate but Calzaghe remains at the same sport because they have the same amount of Points but Calzaghe has more wins, I explained on top of the topic how I rank the fighters. How didnt anyone mention this guy?

Posted: **29 Apr 2015, 01:25**

fergusg wrote:If we’re going to be pedantic and only class actual, genuine, full-blown world championships, when we do the scoring, then we must dismiss Gennady Golovkin from consideration, because…

By my reckoning, Gennady Golovkin has only competed in three fully-fledged world title fights, as he was only elevated to being the WBA super world champion shortly before the Daniel Geale bout.

GGG has competed in one “interim”, ten “regular” and three “super” WBA world title fights.

Only the “super” version counts and Gennady has not competed in a single lineal championship bout either.

Simply put: Gennady Golovkin has only scored 12 points.

If you’d like to consider GGG, because he has been the best 160lb-er, despite not holding a proper belt (i.e. dismissing the other 160lb champs even though he didn’t fight them), then you have to add a boat load of points to the other guys as well for precisely the same reason.

WBA regular counts as a world title fight. the same is with everyone else (Watch Rigondeux,Froch)

Posted: **29 Apr 2015, 06:48**

fergusg wrote:
Aaronide_ger wrote:WBA regular counts as a world title fight. the same is with everyone else (Watch Rigondeux,Froch)
Your list might get messy if your counting any old Tom, Dick or Harry ABC junior nonentity title.

For instance: Johnny Nelson competed in one WBU title fight and seven WBF world title fights. Does that push him near the top of your list?

By their own admission, the WBA don't regard the regular belt as their most senior title, which means it holds as much value of the WBU & WBF straps.

Only WBA,WBC,IBF,WBO. Any other title does not count, nor interim ones.

Posted: **19 May 2015, 09:57**

Update.

*Golovkin Gains 4 points, Rising from No.21 to No.18
*Roman Gonzalez gains 4 points, Rising from No.36 to No.31

Also I will add Eusebio Pedroza 19-2-1 (11 KOs) , 61 pts , KO Ratio=50,00% When I have time

Posted: **19 May 2015, 14:53**

fergusg wrote:
Aaronide_ger wrote:Update.

*Golovkin Gains 4 points, Rising from No.21 to No.18
*Roman Gonzalez gains 4 points, Rising from No.36 to No.31

Also I will add Eusebio Pedroza 19-2-1 (11 KOs) , 61 pts , KO Ratio=50,00% When I have time
If you’re including the WBA’s lesser world “regular” title amongst your points system, why don’t you also include secondary alphabet titles from the other three main governing bodies, such as the WBO international championship?

Is there a reason why you’ve decided to include the WBA “regular” belt that is usually not recognised by the media as a "real" title… or is your agenda to gear your list to favour particular fighters’ (i.e. to suggest that Gennady Golovkin has a better world title record than Marvin Hagler)?

Go to Boxrec Biography, Thats where I got this idea first. they have GGG at 14-0 in title fights, so I went along with that thats why I dont include any other title. Its not like I made it to favour fighters. (And Yea Golovkin IS my favorite fighter but that doesnt change the fact that Marvin Hagler is still Better than him Overall, His Resume is WAY WAY above Golovkin's. This is just a point system for fun purposes).

Also If u insist that much about regular and super titles, Golovkin was the sole WBA Champion from 2012-09-01, Thats when Geale Beat Sturm and Afterwards he got stripped of the title. So after that Golovkin went on at 9-0-0 (9 KOs) , And You can count ALL those title fights because there was none that had the "Super" Title

Posted: **11 Jun 2015, 17:36**

100 ALL-TIME GREATEST BOXERS IN WORLD TITLE FIGHTS
Based in Barry Hugman's History of World Championship Boxing (1873- 11 June 2015 )

1 Julio Cesar Chavez 99
2 Jack Dillon 98
3 Joe Louis 97
4 Ricardo Lopez 91
5 Dariusz Michalczewski 88
6 Wladimir Klitschko 86
7 Omar Narvaez 85
8 Floyd Mayweather Jr 85
9 Joe Calzaghe 83
10 Henry Armstrong 82
11 Johnny Coulon 81
12 Abe Attell 81
13 Tommy Ryan 81
14 George Dixon 79
15 Joe Gans 77
16 Khaosai Galaxy 77
17 Bernard Hopkins 73
18 Oscar De La Hoya 73
19 Felix Trinidad 72
20 Sven Ottke 71
21 Muhammad Ali 70
22 Manuel Ortiz 68
23 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 67
24 Myung-Woo Yuh 67
25 Marco Antonio Barrera 66
26 Wilfredo Gomez 66
27 Ratanapol Sor Vorapin 65
28 Virgil Hill 63
29 Roy Jones 63
30 Larry Holmes 62
31 Miguel Cotto 62
32 Naseem Hamed 62
33 Eusebio Pedroza 61
34 Terry McGovern 60
35 Manny Pacquiao 59
36 Artur Grigorian 58
37 Antonio Cervantes 56
38 Orlando Canizales 55
39 Carlos Monzon 55
40 Fernando Montiel 54
41 Azumah Nelson 53
42 Pernell Whitaker 52
43 Erik Morales 52
44 Kid Williams 52
45 Marvin Hagler 52
46 Johnny Tapia 51
47 Terry Norris 49
48 Harry McDermott 49
49 Arthur Abraham 49
50 Vitali Klitschko 49
51 Bob Foster 49
52 Lennox Lewis 47
53 Yoko Gushiken 47
53 (tie) Michael Spinks 47
55 Michael Carbajal 46
56 Jack Johnson 45
57 Spike Sullivan 45
58 Michael Moorer 45
59 Kostya Tszyu 45
60 Alexis Arguello 44
61 Ivan Calderon 44
62 Wilfredo Vazquez 44
63 Roman Gonzalez 44
64 Jack Britton 43
65 Sam Serrano 43
66 Johnny Nelson 43
67 Pipino Cuevas 43
68 Jung-Koo Chang 42
69 Jose Napoles 42
70 Aaron Pryor 42
71 Freddie Welsh 41
72 Humberto Gonzalez 41
73 Marco Huck 41
74 Sung-Kil Moon 41
75 Brian Mitchell 41
76 Hilario Zapata 40
77 Chris Eubank 40
78 Digger Stanley 40
79 Roberto Duran 40
80 Miguel Canto 40
81 Vuyani Bungu 40
82 Acelino Freitas 40
83 Zsolt Erdei 40
84 Sugar Ray Robinson 39
85 Carlos Ortiz 39
86 Joe Brown 39
87 Takashi Uchiyama 39
88 Felix Sturm 38
89 Juan Martin Coggi 38
90 Mike McCallum 38
91 Marc Johnson 38
92 Donnie Nietes 38
93 Juan Carlos Gomez 38
94 Tommy Burns 38
95 Barney Ross 37
96 Veeraphol Sahaprom 37
97 Mike Gibbons 37
98 Jiro Watanabe 37
99 Eder Jofre 37
100 Evander Holyfield 36

Posted: **12 Jun 2015, 23:34**

MOST TITLE FIGHTS
46 - George Dixon
42 - Jack Dillon
37 - Julio Cesar Chavez
Abe Attell
36 - Bernard Hopkins
35 - Johnny Coulon
34 - Joe Gans
Jack Britton

MOST TITLE WINS
34 - Jack Dillon
31 - Julio Cesar Chavez
28 - Johnny Coulon
Abe Attell
George Dixon
27 - Omar Narvaez
Joe Gans
26 - Bernard Hopkins
Joe Louis
25 - Dariusz Michalczewski
Henry Armstrong
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Wladimir Klitschko

MOST TITLE WINS BY COUNTRY
1- United States 2654
2- Great Britain 1077
3- Mexico 680
4- Puerto Rico 289
5- Japan 272
6- Thailand 245
7- South Korea 192
8- Argentina 168
9- Venezuela 141
10- Panama 134

TOP 25 P-4-P BOXREC BY POINTS
1- Floyd Mayweather Jr 85
2- Wladimir Klitschko 86
3- Saul Alvarez 22
4- Gennady Golovkin 32
5- Sergey Kovalev 23
6- Manny Pacquiao 59
7- Miguel Cotto 62
8- Kell Brook 11
9- Keith Thurman 0
10- Erislandy Lara 0
11- Adonis Stevenson 22
12- Terence Crawford 14
13- Marcos Rene Maidana -9
14- Amir Khan 14
15- Alexander Povetkin -3
16- Carl Frampton 7
17- Takashi Uchiyama 39
18- Nicholas Walters 4
19- Shawn Porter 4
20- Tyson Fury 0
21- Cornelius Bundrage 11
22- Timothy Bradley Jr 25
23- Danny Garcia 17
24- Guillermo Rigondeaux 25
25- Peter Quillin 14

Posted: **13 Jun 2015, 09:07**

@messi es D10S

The list consists of the best boxers that competed in World title fights. (WBA,WBC,WBO,IBF. interim titles do not count)

Posted: **13 Jun 2015, 19:28**

Aaronide_ger I liked your idea, I expanded the old boxers. By the way, the Barry Hugman's Encyclopedia of World Boxing Fights is wonderful!!
Greetings from Spain

Posted: **25 Jun 2015, 10:54**

Greatest Mini Fly Boxers

1- Ricardo Lopez 80 pts
2- Ratanapol Sor Vorapin 72 pts
3- Ivan Calderon 34 pts
4- Chana Porpaoin 26 pts
5- Jose Antonio Aguirre 26 pts
6- Zolani Petelo 22 pts
7- Fahlan Sakkreerin 21 pts
8- Yutaka Niida 18 pts
9- Alex Sanchez 18 pts
10- Rosendo Alvarez 18 pts

Posted: **25 Jun 2015, 12:10**

Greatest Junior Fly Boxers

1- Myung-Woo Yuh 67
2- Jung-Koo Chang 49
3- Yoko Gushiken 47
4- Michael Carbajal 46
5- Humberto Gonzalez 41
6- Edgar Sosa 36
7- Luis Estaba 35
8- Saman Sorjaturong 35
9- Jorge Arce 33
10- Hilario Zapata 32

Posted: **27 Jun 2015, 19:01**

Greatest Fly Boxers

1- Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 67
2- Omar Narvaez 56
3- Miguel Canto 40
4- Santos Laciar 37
5- Yuri Arbachakov 31
6- Saen Sor Ploenchit 29
7- Marc Johnson 29
8- Pascual Perez 28
9- Sot Chitalada 26
10- Jimmy Wilde 26

Posted: **28 Jun 2015, 12:45**

Greatest Junior Bantam Boxer

1- Khaosai Galaxy 77
2- Johnny Tapia 45
3- Jiro Watanabe 37
4- Fernando Montiel 34
5- Sung-Kil Moon 33
6- Omar Narvaez 32
Masamori Tokuyama 32
8- Gilberto Roman 27
9- Cristian Mijares 27
10- Hiroshi Kawashima 20

Posted: **30 Jun 2015, 22:18**

Greatest Bantam Boxers

1- Johnny Coulon 71
2- Manuel Ortiz 68
3- Orlando Canizales 58
4- Kid Williams 52
5- Harry McDermott 49
6- Digger Stanley 43
7- Veeraphol Sahaprom 37
8- Carlos Zarate 37
9- Anselmo Moreno 36
10- Hozumi Hasegawa 36

Posted: **01 Jul 2015, 21:12**

Greatest Junior Feather Boxers

1- Wilfredo Gomez 72
2- Marco Antonio Barrera 47
3- Vuyani Bungu 44
4- Erik Morales 38
5- Celestino Caballero 34
6- Wilfredo Vazquez 32
7- Daniel Zaragoza 29
8- Antonio Cermeno 26
9- Israel Vazquez 26
10- Guillermo Rigondeaux 25

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