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Cotto's plan is to fight Bradley in June from what I read. Khan will once again shoot himself in the foot sitting and waiting, begging. Maybe Maidana will fight him? Who knows...not many top welters left that don't have a fight booked.

I agree with those who want Khan-Brook. Hype it properly and throw it in Wembley and it will do very well.

CheckHook wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

fergusg wrote:I don’t dislike Kell Brook in anyway, but in terms of the world stage, he’s an anonymous name. He only has one decent name on his resume and I don’t think he brings an awful lot to the negotiation table for Khan,

Maidana made $1.5m in the first fight with Floyd.

Carl Froch made $12m for Groves 2.


Hyping a big domestic world title fight against Brook in the UK is more lucrative than fighting Floyd. Only future revenue from beating Floyd if Khan thinks he can win outweighs the prospect of Brook.

Khan would obviously make way more than 1.5m fighting Floyd though. It would be PPV over here in the UK and do very good numbers. Its not like Floyd would be taking 90% of the UK money too.

How many PPV's have Sky ran at 4am in the morning?

And you don't know Floyd very well. Even Canelo only made $5m and he brought around 2m buys. Khan is nowhere near the draw Canelo is, and wouldn't make the same money.

The upside for Khan in fighting Floyd is the lure of possibly winning and mega-draw superstardom thereafter.

Against Brook he's the A side in a massive domestic match-up on Sky BoxOffice. With Sky behind it... i don't think it would do quite as well as Froch-Groves 2 (given it lacks the back story), but it still sells out Wembley and makes Khan alot more money than being the latest Floyd-fodder. The problem with Floyds Gaurentee it leaves little else for the B-side, other than Canelo, his fights make a loss.

Ricky_ wrote:
And you don't know Floyd very well.

You're right, I don't know Floyd very well.... But are you seriously suggesting Floyd could get 90% of the UK ppv revenue if he fought Khan? Khan wouldn't even be interested in a fight with Floyd if he was only getting $1.5m and giving up the entire UK ppv market, be realistic, he got $900k for Devon.

CheckHook wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:
And you don't know Floyd very well.

You're right, I don't know Floyd very well.... But are you seriously suggesting Floyd could get 90% of the UK ppv revenue if he fought Khan? Khan wouldn't even be interested in a fight with Floyd if he was only getting $1.5m and giving up the entire UK ppv market, be realistic, he got $900k for Devon.

Like i asked before... how many PPV's do Sky sell at 4am?

Ricky_ wrote:

CheckHook wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:
And you don't know Floyd very well.

You're right, I don't know Floyd very well.... But are you seriously suggesting Floyd could get 90% of the UK ppv revenue if he fought Khan? Khan wouldn't even be interested in a fight with Floyd if he was only getting $1.5m and giving up the entire UK ppv market, be realistic, he got $900k for Devon.

Like i asked before... how many PPV's do Sky sell at 4am?

If Khan fought Floyd, they'd sell hundreds of thousands, without a doubt. The casual fan would still be drawn in, even at 4am, and the boxing fans would sit up for it no problem..... Are you really thinking Floyd vs Khan doesn't go PPV or flops to the point Khan wont make more than $1.5m total?!

So, like I asked before, are you seriously suggesting Floyd takes 90% of UK ppv sales if he fights Khan or that Khan only makes $1.5m total fighting Floyd? That's really the only point of contention I made to your claims, and I haven't seen anything that makes me change my mind.

CheckHook wrote:
If Khan fought Floyd, they'd sell hundreds of thousands, without a doubt. The casual fan would still be drawn in, even at 4am, and the boxing fans would sit up for it no problem..... Are you really thinking Floyd vs Khan doesn't go PPV or flops to the point Khan wont make more than $1.5m total?!

So, like I asked before, are you seriously suggesting Floyd takes 90% of UK ppv sales if he fights Khan or that Khan only makes $1.5m total fighting Floyd? That's really the only point of contention I made to your claims, and I haven't seen anything that makes me change my mind.

My point is this, Floyd pays very little to his opponents, because he doesn't have to. Everyone is lining up for a shot. It's also an ego thing, he's roadblocked the Pac fight on that basis before even though he would make well over 100m.

90%? No, but he got mugged off vs Hatton, i heard Hatton made more than him cause Ricky took the UK ppv. I reckon Floyd demands the lion share, without a doubt, of UK revenues.

Which, with a fight starting probably after 5am, i'd say, won't be much.

With Floyd draining the life out of what Khan can make, it's no contest, Khan makes more as the A-side to a Sky/Matchroom promoted Wembley fight vs Brook.

Ricky_ wrote:My point is this, Floyd pays very little to his opponents, because he doesn't have to. Everyone is lining up for a shot. It's also an ego thing, he's roadblocked the Pac fight on that basis before even though he would make well over 100m.

90%? No, but he got mugged off vs Hatton, i heard Hatton made more than him cause Ricky took the UK ppv. I reckon Floyd demands the lion share, without a doubt, of UK revenues.

Which, with a fight starting probably after 5am, i'd say, won't be much.

With Floyd draining the life out of what Khan can make, it's no contest, Khan makes more as the A-side to a Sky/Matchroom promoted Wembley fight vs Brook.

What roadblocking are you referring to when you stated the above?? He gave Manny a 50-50 deal but Pacquiao rejected it because he refused to do the testing due to being afraid of needles. Unless you know of another time then please share it with us.

As far as the thing with Hatton, there was no mugging, Floyd took the lion's share of royalties in that case too, even Boxrec says they only earned 47 million PPV buys: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Floyd ... cky_Hatton

Let's just try and stick to the facts instead of speaking out of our dislike for certain fighters.

KBB wrote: As far as the thing with Hatton, there was no mugging, Floyd took the lion's share of royalties in that case too, even Boxrec says they only earned 47 million PPV buys: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Floyd ... cky_Hatton

That's the USA ppv buys though isn't it? We're talking about the UK market and the fact that Floyd isn't a PPV attraction in the UK. Hatton Mayweather did around 1 million buys in the UK alone and Floyd wouldn't have gotten the lion share of the UK market and wont anytime he fights a UK fighter.

The main point I was making, which seems pretty obvious is that if a UK fighter can bring an extra $15-20 million plus to the table in UK ppv buys that is going to be reflected in his income for the fight. He's not just going to sign a deal that gives him $1.5million and lets Floyd walk off with all the UK market when he isn't even a ppv attraction over here, its nonsense.

But whatever, I doubt Floyd fights Khan so its a moot point.

CheckHook wrote:

KBB wrote: As far as the thing with Hatton, there was no mugging, Floyd took the lion's share of royalties in that case too, even Boxrec says they only earned 47 million PPV buys: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Floyd ... cky_Hatton

That's the USA ppv buys though isn't it? We're talking about the UK market and the fact that Floyd isn't a PPV attraction in the UK. Hatton Mayweather did around 1 million buys in the UK alone and Floyd wouldn't have gotten the lion share of the UK market and wont anytime he fights a UK fighter.

The main point I was making, which seems pretty obvious is that if a UK fighter can bring an extra $15-20 million plus to the table in UK ppv buys that is going to be reflected in his income for the fight. He's not just going to sign a deal that gives him $1.5million and lets Floyd walk off with all the UK market when he isn't even a ppv attraction over here, its nonsense.

But whatever, I doubt Floyd fights Khan so its a moot point.

Yes, not seen it confirmed but apparently Floyd underestimated the fights UK potential allowing Hatton to take the UK revenues, and Hatton ended up with a bigger purse than Floyd.

Anyway... 1m PPV's if true in the UK at 5am with a population of only 65m is truely remarkable. P4P it probably makes Hatton 1 of the biggest draws of all time. Floyd doesn't even do 1m for the popular Latino Maidana in a country of 350ish m people.


But my original point stands, I don't think Khan vs Floyd is going to sell a great deal of UK ppv's at 5am. Khan is barely a shadow of Hatton in terms of drawing ability, and Floyd wouldn't make that mistake again with regard to UK revenues.

I don't mind if you disagree which is more financially lucrative, but for me, when you compare even how much Canelo got for Floyd against what Froch has managed to achieve with domestic superfigths, I think a Sky Sports promoted PPV at Wembley vs Brook in the summer would net Khan alot more. For the Mayweather fight to be more lucrative, Khan would have to win.

Ricky_ wrote:

CheckHook wrote:

KBB wrote: As far as the thing with Hatton, there was no mugging, Floyd took the lion's share of royalties in that case too, even Boxrec says they only earned 47 million PPV buys: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Floyd ... cky_Hatton

That's the USA ppv buys though isn't it? We're talking about the UK market and the fact that Floyd isn't a PPV attraction in the UK. Hatton Mayweather did around 1 million buys in the UK alone and Floyd wouldn't have gotten the lion share of the UK market and wont anytime he fights a UK fighter.

The main point I was making, which seems pretty obvious is that if a UK fighter can bring an extra $15-20 million plus to the table in UK ppv buys that is going to be reflected in his income for the fight. He's not just going to sign a deal that gives him $1.5million and lets Floyd walk off with all the UK market when he isn't even a ppv attraction over here, its nonsense.

But whatever, I doubt Floyd fights Khan so its a moot point.

Yes, not seen it confirmed but apparently Floyd underestimated the fights UK potential allowing Hatton to take the UK revenues, and Hatton ended up with a bigger purse than Floyd.

Anyway... 1m PPV's if true in the UK at 5am with a population of only 65m is truely remarkable. P4P it probably makes Hatton 1 of the biggest draws of all time. Floyd doesn't even do 1m for the popular Latino Maidana in a country of 350ish m people.


But my original point stands, I don't think Khan vs Floyd is going to sell a great deal of UK ppv's at 5am. Khan is barely a shadow of Hatton in terms of drawing ability, and Floyd wouldn't make that mistake again with regard to UK revenues.

I don't mind if you disagree which is more financially lucrative, but for me, when you compare even how much Canelo got for Floyd against what Froch has managed to achieve with domestic superfigths, I think a Sky Sports promoted PPV at Wembley vs Brook in the summer would net Khan alot more. For the Mayweather fight to be more lucrative, Khan would have to win.

3 posts in 3 days I agree with Ricky.

I don't know if the world is ending but it just might be.

Ricky_ wrote:

But my original point stands, I don't think Khan vs Floyd is going to sell a great deal of UK ppv's at 5am. Khan is barely a shadow of Hatton in terms of drawing ability, and Floyd wouldn't make that mistake again with regard to UK revenues.

I don't mind if you disagree which is more financially lucrative, but for me, when you compare even how much Canelo got for Floyd against what Froch has managed to achieve with domestic superfigths, I think a Sky Sports promoted PPV at Wembley vs Brook in the summer would net Khan alot more. For the Mayweather fight to be more lucrative, Khan would have to win.

The main point I was making is that Khan makes way more than $1.5m total fighting Floyd, which is the kind of money you were talking about when you made your original point (when you compared Maidanas purse to Frochs). Floyd isn't taking anywhere near a lion share majority of the UK revenue and it is selling more than enough over here to build a big purse for Khan.... I never questioned whether he'd make more money fighting Brook, which has the potential to be huge (although still nowhere near Froch Groves anyway).

Also, its worth remembering the Brook fight is still alive if Khan loses to Floyd, but if he loses to Brook the Floyd fight is all but dead.

CheckHook wrote: The main point I was making is that Khan makes way more than $1.5m total fighting Floyd

Why? Maidana is a half decent draw and was coming off the back of a win over Broner. Canelo got about 5m. Using both those guys as a gauge, I really can't imagine Khan getting over 2.

CheckHook wrote:Floyd isn't taking anywhere near a lion share majority of the UK revenue and it is selling more than enough over here to build a big purse for Khan....

Why not? I remember Khan flopping on Sky PPV so his matchup vs McCloskey got moved to Primetime. If Sky put this on as a 5am PPV, 1 i don't think it sells much and 2. I 100% believe Floyd would contract that he gets the same % PPV split across the board.


Khan has been chasing Floyd around like a lost puppy even before he lost to Peterson. The notion of him not meeting Floyd's demands... i just can't see it.

Ricky_ wrote:

CheckHook wrote: The main point I was making is that Khan makes way more than $1.5m total fighting Floyd

Why? Maidana is a half decent draw and was coming off the back of a win over Broner. Canelo got about 5m. Using both those guys as a gauge, I really can't imagine Khan getting over 2.

CheckHook wrote:Floyd isn't taking anywhere near a lion share majority of the UK revenue and it is selling more than enough over here to build a big purse for Khan....

Why not? I remember Khan flopping on Sky PPV so his matchup vs McCloskey got moved to Primetime. If Sky put this on as a 5am PPV, 1 i don't think it sells much and 2. I 100% believe Floyd would contract that he gets the same % PPV split across the board.


Khan has been chasing Floyd around like a lost puppy even before he lost to Peterson. The notion of him not meeting Floyd's demands... i just can't see it.

We are gonna have to agree to disagree.... You are suggesting that if Khan fights Floyd he makes the same amount as he did for fighting Collazo on the Mayweather Maidana undercard. (Khan Collazo wasn't ppv over here in the UK, Khan Mayweather would be ppv).

Khan vs Cotto?
1. I don't see Khan risking his perceived payout with either Pac or Floyd.
2.I can not see the guy that just moved to 147 moving up to 160.
3.Khan has lost every time he steps up his game.

Khan is a B+ fighter and even with Cotto not being what he once was he is still
an A- fighter.
I would watch this fight but probably just to watch Khan get ko'd.

tiny_acres wrote:Khan vs Cotto?
1. I don't see Khan risking his perceived payout with either Pac or Floyd.
2.I can not see the guy that just moved to 147 moving up to 160.
3.Khan has lost every time he steps up his game.

Khan is a B+ fighter and even with Cotto not being what he once was he is still
an A- fighter.
I would watch this fight but probably just to watch Khan get ko'd.

Agree. Good points. Cotto would get absolutely no credit for beating Khan, and would get laughed out of boxing if he didn't. Not that I think it wouldn't be entertaining, as I think Khan would be more competitive than most think, but this is such a no win situation for Cotto it would never happen. Cotto has given us the illusion he is a prime fighter with his latest wins, but personally I think he is one or two fights away from being done....or having people tell him he should be done.


If Khan wants to test the waters at 154 and above, he should take a tune up first - Someone like BooBoo Andrade. (unless he is just wanting the older semi-retired guys with big names) A lot of guys at 147 ducking and dodging him I guess.