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What does his lack of amateur career have to do with anything, fact is he had dodged the hard fights and picked his marks, a silver world title equates to the number 1 contender in that sanctioning body, nuthuggers always put their own spin on their excuse for him, he hasn't achieved as much as he should have

Number 1 contender is a pretty big achievement. A lot of great fighters didn't even get that high. Growing up around the boxing in Qld I've seen plenty of good fighters like Ernie and Dale Artango, Shane Knox just to name a few. I think Choc has done pretty good in the sport. We have and will see better fighters than him but I just give credit where it's due.

Beltane wrote:Is your "caps lock" broken, if not, so why all the shouting?

ok i'll do it this way hope you don't need glasses so rab wants a rematch is he elite or will he be elite when he has enough experience, the man took up boxing when he was 25 years old has already beat him now he has to do it again or yes [couldn't help myself ] THATS RIGHT HE MUNDINE DUCKS EVERY-ONE.

Pureist wrote:What does his lack of amateur career have to do with anything, fact is he had dodged the hard fights and picked his marks, a silver world title equates to the number 1 contender in that sanctioning body, nuthuggers always put their own spin on their excuse for him, he hasn't achieved as much as he should have

Well Well it has a lot to do with it if Mundine had a emateur background I have no doubt that he would have been a super-star period.....................................

fox wrote:Number 1 contender is a pretty big achievement. A lot of great fighters didn't even get that high. Growing up around the boxing in Qld I've seen plenty of good fighters like Ernie and Dale Artango, Shane Knox just to name a few. I think Choc has done pretty good in the sport. We have and will see better fighters than him but I just give credit where it's due.

well said should have read your post first would have saved me a bit of typing I yell too much much.

He was bought up in a boxing gym, you can't teach heart, you either have it or you don't, look at katsidis or peden, not as much skill, especially katsidis, but fought way above their level for their skill, mundine fought under his level, as for number 1 contender, if he fought in the days of 1-2 sanctioning bodies then I'd agree, being number 1 contender these days might mean your still only 20th in the world or lower

Katsidis and Pedan were both Olympians and boxed their whole lives. Even to get to 20 in the world isn't a bad effort for a bloke who didn't start boxing till he was 25. You can be around the gym all your life but you still got to get in and fight to get better. You don't learn boxing from hanging around fighters.

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Lairdy wrote:

bash for cash wrote:Looks like we are all in agreement Mundine has never beaten an elite level opponent

Please name the "elite" opponents he could've fought from SMW down to LMW? SMW - Kessler, Clazaghe. Middlewieght - Martinez (and don't go saying GGG, because he was barely known when Mundine was classed as a middleweight), LMW - Mayweather, Cotto, Alvarez.

He fought Kessler and lost. Couldn't get a fight with Calzaghe. Couldn't get a fight with Martinez. And is actively trying to get fights with the 3 LMW's I have named.

So, the truth be known. He may not have beaten an elite fighter. Yet, there has only - IMO - been 6 in his career anyway.

So your thread is pretty pathetic. Almost childish.

Agree with almost every thing you'v said but come on everyone you all being a bit harsh on mundine and anyone he's ever fought IF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO STUDY ONE STUDY ALL AUSTRALIAN FORMER WORLD BOXING CHAMP'S................................SO WHAT DID YOU FIND THAT NONE OF THEM BEAT ANY ELITE FIGHTER'S EITHER YOU HARSH BASTARD'S ANYWAY MUNDINE DONE VERY GOOD FOR HIMSELF AND HIS MOB REMEMBER NO ELITE NAME'S ON HIS AMATEUR RECORD EITHER OOPS FORGOT HE WAS A RUGBY LEAGUE PLAYER FIRST LUCKY HE DIDN'T HAVE A AMATEUR CAREER.

Sorry mate I can't let this go unchallenged. Rose beat a HOF fighter in his own country at his best weight and lost to a HOF fighter. Fammo Likewise. Curruthers, Jeff Fenech beat a few good ones, especially Azumah in their first fight.Kostya went overseas and fought Hatton at 2 in the morning. Tony beat some goodies and tested himself against one of the best of all time, Hector Thomson too these are just off the top of my head. And none of this denigrates Anthony, just correct your statement.

fox wrote:Katsidis and Pedan were both Olympians and boxed their whole lives. Even to get to 20 in the world isn't a bad effort for a bloke who didn't start boxing till he was 25. You can be around the gym all your life but you still got to get in and fight to get better. You don't learn boxing from hanging around fighters.

Lucas Browne had no amateur career and started boxing at more like 30 than 25. Browne would probably be world 20 ranked now. If not, the way he is progressing, he soon will be.

Like a Boss wrote:

fox wrote:Katsidis and Pedan were both Olympians and boxed their whole lives. Even to get to 20 in the world isn't a bad effort for a bloke who didn't start boxing till he was 25. You can be around the gym all your life but you still got to get in and fight to get better. You don't learn boxing from hanging around fighters.

Lucas Browne had no amateur career and started boxing at more like 30 than 25. Browne would probably be world 20 ranked now. If not, the way he is progressing, he soon will be.

Yes and he deserves credit for that as well. There is a lot to dislike about Anthony. Some of the things he says whether it's to sell tickets or not are ridiculous. Maybe not challenging some of the best in his division. But boxing is a business and he obviously made a packet from the game. And you have to give him credit for his boxing ability. Thats all I care about.

So you think at 25 mundines ability just popped out of nowhere fox, your kidding yourself, if I remember right he's had 3 amateurs, he would have been tutored since he was a pup, sparring and learning the trade, if you think he moved at 25 through natural ability and not through training you must have rocks in his head, I've never said he lacked skill, he lacks self confidence, belief in himself and a streak of pudendum you need to make it to the highest level

Pureist wrote:So you think at 25 mundines ability just popped out of nowhere fox, your kidding yourself, if I remember right he's had 3 amateurs, he would have been tutored since he was a pup, sparring and learning the trade, if you think he moved at 25 through natural ability and not through training you must have rocks in his head, I've never said he lacked skill, he lacks self confidence, belief in himself and a streak of pudendum you need to make it to the highest level

Of course he was around the gym but you don't get better having a few spars. Fighting is where the improvement comes from. 3 amateur fights is nothing. I haven't got rocks in my head. I've been around the game my whole life. I just come on here to talk boxing and you dickheads just bag the fornicate out of each other. We can't all agree with everything but who cares.

So again, you think mundine pulled the skills he had from where? Fighting is where you learn to deal with being on the big stage, the adrenalin, the anxiety, the stress, sparring is where you learn your trade, mundine already had a good handle on the big stage obviously due to his rugby background, you don't learn to slip, roll under hooks, counter, pivot, control the centre of the ring, control the pace, cut the ring off, parry, rip hook, jab or cross on the night of the fight, if you think you learn that fighting then my first comment stands, you have rocks in your head

Of course he learned his skills in the gym. But he improved by learning his trade on the job. By fighting experienced fighters. If you can't work that out you got rocks in your head.

You don't learn anything from a few spars, your exact words, then you backflip in your next post, mundine would never have turned pro unless his sparing was extraordinary, to throw away a rugby career to fail in boxing would not have been an option

fox wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:

fox wrote:Katsidis and Pedan were both Olympians and boxed their whole lives. Even to get to 20 in the world isn't a bad effort for a bloke who didn't start boxing till he was 25. You can be around the gym all your life but you still got to get in and fight to get better. You don't learn boxing from hanging around fighters.

Lucas Browne had no amateur career and started boxing at more like 30 than 25. Browne would probably be world 20 ranked now. If not, the way he is progressing, he soon will be.

Yes and he deserves credit for that as well. There is a lot to dislike about Anthony. Some of the things he says whether it's to sell tickets or not are ridiculous. Maybe not challenging some of the best in his division. But boxing is a business and he obviously made a packet from the game. And you have to give him credit for his boxing ability. Thats all I care about.

agree

Pureist wrote:You don't learn anything from a few spars, your exact words, then you backflip in your next post, mundine would never have turned pro unless his sparing was extraordinary, to throw away a rugby career to fail in boxing would not have been an option

You keep stating the obvious. A blind man knows they wouldn't turn him pro unless he showed skills in the gym. So by your theory it shouldn't matter who he fought cause he learnt it all in the gym. You don't think that some of the blokes he fought on the way up were part of a learning curve? What are you going to come up with next to argue about? We are saying all the same shit but you just keep trying to get a bite.

And there is a lot I don't know about boxing. I'm not going to argue with you and think I'm right and know it all cause I dont. What it all comes back to is THE MAN is very talented considering he had fuckall amateur experience.

Perseus wrote:His caps lock isn't broken, he bumped it by accident but doesn't know how to turn it off.
Don't tell him how to turn caps off, let's see how long it takes him to figure it out.
He'll show up to claim he knows how to turn them on and off, just humor him.

Yes divert your boxing KNOWLEDGE BY MAKING JOKE OUT OF ME,WHATS YOUR REAL NAME IT WOULD'NT BE MR BOXING BECAUSE YOU COULD WRITE ALL YOU KNOW ON THE BACK OF A POSTAGE STAMP YOU GRONK.

Pureist wrote:He was bought up in a boxing gym, you can't teach heart, you either have it or you don't, look at katsidis or peden, not as much skill, especially katsidis, but fought way above their level for their skill, mundine fought under his level, as for number 1 contender, if he fought in the days of 1-2 sanctioning bodies then I'd agree, being number 1 contender these days might mean your still only 20th in the world or lower

you coward write your real name so mundine can confront you and see how big your clock is we call people like you a mirri any man that steps in that ring is not a dog like you. MIRRI....................

Pureist wrote:So you think at 25 mundines ability just popped out of nowhere fox, your kidding yourself, if I remember right he's had 3 amateurs, he would have been tutored since he was a pup, sparring and learning the trade, if you think he moved at 25 through natural ability and not through training you must have rocks in his head, I've never said he lacked skill, he lacks self confidence, belief in himself and a streak of pudendum you need to make it to the highest level

Just keep confirming what I already know you know sh.t about Mundine and boxing he had 2 amateur fight's yes only 2 not 3 also did you know rugby league is a professional sport Mundine was on 600k a season that includes pre-season training [not boxing training,] rugby league training this was his profession 26 regular game's a year [not including trial game's semi final's grand final's rep game's ] tough game you ever tried it I have[ still got bad knee's I used to get 50 buck's a win], Mundine was playing league when he was as young as 5 year's old
SPARRING AND LEARING THE TRADE talk about rock's for brain's Mundine has trained hard all his life he's a fitness freak same has his father so pureist get your facts right
I would like you to explain to me how Mundine was at home learning his trade for all these year's and getting paid by the NRL to miss their training schedule so he could learn how to box
what a bunch of boxing loving people they[NRL] must be and don't say he was learning before he became professional rugby league player either sensible BECAUSE THE ONLY REAL WAY TO
LEARN HOW TO BOX IS TO ACTUALLY BOX SAME IF YOU WANT TO LEARN HOW TO WALK NO USE WATCHING SOME-ONE WALK YOU MUST TRY IT YOUR SELF SO YOU CAN LEARN.

Sorry Grant but please read between the line's i'm not putting sh.t on any of our great champion's just being sarcastic.

Ok stupid, he left rugby, boxed basically straight away, did his boxing skills just magically appear, I don't think so, so please explain to me where his skill came from because according to you he only played rugby and had no time to spar or do pad work, if brains were dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow you nose

Ps mirri, I've been in the ring and mundine must have been good at rugby to be contracted when he was 5, what a crock of shit

Ok when did I say Mundine had a contract at 5 years of age to play rugby league not [rugby], another example get your facts straight before you start typing away
yes he did leave a multi million dollar contract with the NRL and put his balls on the line and made a real good go of it wether you like him or not your hate will never change that.
his idol was and still his his father Tony who fought the great Monzon so of course he studied his fathers career and probably got more than a few tips and would have sparred some times even but the fact his he did not have time to focus much at all on boxing when he was a professional rugby league player this is a fact he said he was always going to fight he became a fighter after his 25th birthday with very little amateur experience that's a fact to say he has no HEART his a fuc.... insult I also know for a fact that Mundine has fought for years with injury from his years of playing rugby league yes I know others have too but I wouldn't call them no hearted either remember what you said[ you can't teach heart ]
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN'T TEACH AND THATS NATURAL ABILITY.......................................
SOME PEOPLE HAVE IT SOME DON'T.....................................................