BoxRec

FloydtheDuck wrote:That being said there was a very small window I think the fight could have realistically been made

What does this even mean? I mean if we are just trying to get fighter A in the ring with fighter B of course there is always going to have been some way that coulda happened if idk the world depended on it or w/e. Thing is it doesn't & Paul was never the first guy in line for Floyd, thus if he fights Paul he's dodging Ricky or he's dodging Shane or whoever.

When you are the top guy on the food chain there is always guys you can't or won't be able to fight for some reason. Its a conveniently avoided topic, just like Paul was never the #1 option is conveniently forgotten over him being allegedly the best guy Floyd never fought. The reality is if Floyd had fought Paul & beaten him just like he's beaten everyone else (& if Carlos Quintana & Erislandy can outbox you Floyd surely would have too) than Ricky or Shane would be conveniently mentioned as the guy Floyd ducked & the best guy Floyd never fought & we'd be having this same discussion just with different names cuz people don't like Floyd & like to downplay his skill & accomplishments.

And I mean look at the names on Floyd's resume when Paul was somebody (2007-2012) post-Antonio:

Oscar (hofer, multi division champion, the guy who put Floyd where he is today as the sports biggest draw)
Ricky (undefeated two division champion at the time, was coming off a KO1 of Jose Luis Castillo who gave Floyd his toughest fight)
Juan Manuel (hofer, multi division champion)
Shane Mosley (hofer, multi division champion)
Victor (title holder, in foty fight previous to Floyd)
Miguel (hofer, multi division champion)

Now obviously one of these things is not like the other. Victor stands out like a sore thumb. Thing is Paul had gotten blasted by Sergio the year before so he's not really a guy that Floyd would fight at that stage. But take one of these guys off of Floyd's resume & tell me his resume gets stronger if we were to put Paul in their place & not know you're telling a damn lie lol.

How did Williams lose to Quintana the first time?

You know it has to be rough being a fan of a guy who has threads dedicated to discussions of ducking.

fergusg wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:no serious, i can understand floyd for not boxing prime pw back than, at least he couldve fought other guys who were prime back than like tszyu or pac.

Floyd Mayweather could not have fought Kostya Tszyu, because he was almost continuously injured for two years when both men were active world champions and the Showtime-HBO network rivalry issue also prevented the possibility for this bout being made.

stop that crap. you like floyd. you have always reasons for every duck.

tszyu (injuries and hbo and shw problems)
pacquiao (because of old bob)
margarito (8 million not enough, baldomir brought in more $ )
williams (to tall)

2007

Welterweight 147lbs

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Shane Mosley
5. Antonio Margarito
6. Zab Judah
7. Kermot Cintron
8. Luis Collazo
9. Joshua Clottey
10. Oktay Urkal


this was in 2007, the welterweight division was arguably at his best and williams and margarito were destroyers, cotto was prime and what did floyd do? fight minimis in hatton & marquez and do 1 1/2 vacation

The bottom line is just as I stated earlier, it doesn't matter if Paul Williams himself stated that Floyd did not duck him, those who hate Mayweather will continue to say it.

Somehow they know more than Paul Williams himself about this situation. Armchair Boxers are the lamest ever.

Haymon owns both and did not want to risk Floyd vs. Williams. Williams was a great fighter at 147 but he lacked charisma and star power. Paul needs Haymon's $ support today and is likely saying this to support the Haymon Fraud agenda which is to glorify Floyd.

Williams would have devoured Floyd easily, tall lefty fast hands unpredictable combos great chin great stamina workrate. Floyd would have been dominated. Williams would have been Floyd's WORST NIGHTMARE. Paul is too nice and classy to slam Floyd and piss off Haymon.

Williams W12 120-108 vs. Floyd. or KO within 6. Easy work.

Like his trainer George Peterson said about Paul vs. Floyd in 2009: "He would put Floyd in a cemetary."

="montrealsuper"]Haymon owns both and did not want to risk Floyd vs. Williams. Williams was a great fighter at 147 but he lacked charisma and star power. Paul needs Haymon's $ support today and is likely saying this to support the Haymon Fraud agenda which is to glorify Floyd.

Williams would have devoured Floyd easily, tall lefty fast hands unpredictable combos great chin great stamina workrate. Floyd would have been dominated. Williams would have been Floyd's WORST NIGHTMARE. Paul is too nice and classy to slam Floyd and piss off Haymon.

Williams W12 120-108 vs. Floyd. or KO within 6. Easy work.

Like his trainer George Peterson said about Paul vs. Floyd in 2009: "He would put Floyd in a cemetary."[/

Just like he did to Quintana in their first fight, huh??

Oh, and it's cemetery not cemetary....You have to be Cheppaa or Bnovelist.

Blodhemn wrote:You know it has to be rough being a fan of a guy who has threads dedicated to discussions of ducking.

The Mayweather Online FanClub is some kind of phenomenon, who knows what drives posters like Brut/KBB, Reggiediggs, NateJR, Fergus & Badhusker amongst others to refute almost every online comment, criticism or even perceived criticism of Floyd Mayweather. It's like a full time job done with the zest of passionate hobbyist.

floyd ran a smart career management and did not
duck paul wiliams. if you are a hater you will always
find something.

someone pointed out that he fought oscar and unbeaten
ricky hatton in the same year and if you are saying oscar
was shot and hatton was smaller … sounds like hater
arguments all over again to me.

Ricky_ wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:You know it has to be rough being a fan of a guy who has threads dedicated to discussions of ducking.

The Mayweather Online FanClub is some kind of phenomenon, who knows what drives posters like Brut/KBB, Reggiediggs, NateJR, Fergus & Badhusker amongst others to refute almost every online comment, criticism or even perceived criticism of Floyd Mayweather. It's like a full time job done with the zest of passionate hobbyist.

i think floyd ran his earlier career with more
careful management and softened that stance
with more confidence and in recent years took
on everybody … with one notable and to me
crucial exception.

but to hold against him that he didn't fight
paul williams around the time when he himself
took on oscar and ricky seems outright ridiculous
to me. i might be mistaken, but paul was a rising
prospect at that time and not on par with either of
the mentioned seasoned veterans who were definitely
bigger draws too.

i would argue had floyd taken on williams and turned
down hatton or DLH, some people in this thread would
mention that as an example for their agenda.

man wrote:floyd ran a smart career management and did not
duck paul wiliams. if you are a hater you will always
find something.

someone pointed out that he fought oscar and unbeaten
ricky hatton in the same year and if you are saying oscar
was shot and hatton was smaller … sounds like hater
arguments all over again to me.

it has nothing to do with hating. its just fact floyd ducked. you know what top boxers do when the division they are in red hot? they damn fight each other and not do a 2 year break.

man wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:You know it has to be rough being a fan of a guy who has threads dedicated to discussions of ducking.

The Mayweather Online FanClub is some kind of phenomenon, who knows what drives posters like Brut/KBB, Reggiediggs, NateJR, Fergus & Badhusker amongst others to refute almost every online comment, criticism or even perceived criticism of Floyd Mayweather. It's like a full time job done with the zest of passionate hobbyist.

i think floyd ran his earlier career with more
careful management and softened that stance
with more confidence and in recent years took
on everybody … with one notable and to me
crucial exception.

but to hold against him that he didn't fight
paul williams around the time when he himself
took on oscar and ricky seems outright ridiculous
to me. i might be mistaken, but paul was a rising
prospect at that time and not on par with either of
the mentioned seasoned veterans who were definitely
bigger draws too.

i would argue had floyd taken on williams and turned
down hatton or DLH, some people in this thread would
mention that as an example for their agenda.

size and age is what matters.
people hate because hatton was a midget and oscar old.
while guys like margarito, cotto and williams were prime and either tall or build strong.
floyd got mad respect when boxing young strong canelo.
also he got respect for boxing a strong 154 cotto version.
so it aint like people are hating out of the blue and forgeting what great achievemants he had, although his fights are flat out all boring and thats not hating just my oppinion, i wish he was just more entertaining to watch than one shot pause boxing.

and thats also something i like about pac, the dude is freakin 5′ 6½″, a mini midget haha...
and he fights and beats guys who are 5′ 10″ algieri, 5′ 11″ margarito, guys like clottey, who is build like a tank. its like floyd taking on golovkin and quillon.