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I think sometimes people forget just how good Ali could be before his lay off. Fast, athletic and just plain nasty.

Broomhall wrote:I think sometimes people forget just how good Ali could be before his lay off. Fast, athletic and just plain nasty.

Sounds like he must have been the GOAT.

SenorPipino wrote:

Broomhall wrote:I think sometimes people forget just how good Ali could be before his lay off. Fast, athletic and just plain nasty.

Sounds like he must have been the GOAT.

No, not really. He lost his most important fight. He was fortunate that his opponent was ring rusty and had medical issues for that one.

Back to the topic, JQ would have much too strong for the skinny Bob Foster. It doesn't go all that long.

DaveyMac wrote:I think the fights a toss-up with Foster a small favorite. The HW's that gave Foster trouble were a lot bigger than Jerry (who was basically a cruiser) and two of them were Ali and Frazier so it's not like JQ sized guys were that much of a challenge to him.

Zora Folley, Doug Jones and Joe Frazier were "a lot bigger than Jerry?"

montrealsuper wrote:Klitschko is actually superior to all the 70s HWTS. Even Ali.

But most people can't handle that truth. They've been programmed to believe Ali and the 70s were the best era ever. It was the most exciting and entertaining (because of Ali) but Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos took HWT boxing to a higher level.

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montrealsuper wrote:Klitschko is actually superior to all the 70s HWTS. Even Ali.

But most people can't handle that truth. They've been programmed to believe Ali and the 70s were the best era ever. It was the most exciting and entertaining (because of Ali) but Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos took HWT boxing to a higher level.

No, the truth is Klitschko probably would have even broken into the top ten in the 1970s . . .

raylawpc wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Klitschko is actually superior to all the 70s HWTS. Even Ali.

But most people can't handle that truth. They've been programmed to believe Ali and the 70s were the best era ever. It was the most exciting and entertaining (because of Ali) but Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos took HWT boxing to a higher level.

No, the truth is Klitschko probably would have even broken into the top ten in the 1970s . . .

Probably. But most of the Top 10 had more huevos than today's sad lot of contenders.
They would have pressed Wlad, something that challengers today are fearful to do, gotten inside and exposed his frail chin.

SenorPipino wrote:I think Wlad's rather delicate chin (or have you forgotten his embarrassing KO losses to Sanders, Brewster and journeyman Puritty???) and lumbering movement eliminates him as someone who can hang with a mobile Muhammad Ali (or even a Frazier) or seriously deserve consideration as an all-time heavyweight top ten candidate.

I disagree. Vlad had the athleticism to control haye, and really against ali and frazier there would be an enormous gulf in power and strength. Yes vlad before steward ironed him out was a ko waiting to happen but in his prime he is almost impossible to fight. Maybe ali would have opened him up with his speed but it is a close call imo.

Controlling David Haye, a prima donna more concerned about protecting his image than laying it all on the line, doth not equate being able to control some of the most gifted, toughest, violent heavyweights of all time. He couldn't even control Povetkin's clumsy aggression, and had resort to squeezing him all night. He should have been DQd or made to fight.

It's telling that Klitschko's most leery, tentative performances came against natural 200lb men - Ibragimov & Haye.

Jerry Quarry would have had somethin to prove and probably wouldnt be a good night for Bob Foster.

SenorPipino wrote:I think Wlad's rather delicate chin (or have you forgotten his embarrassing KO losses to Sanders, Brewster and journeyman Puritty???) and lumbering movement eliminates him as someone who can hang with a mobile Muhammad Ali (or even a Frazier) or seriously deserve consideration as an all-time heavyweight top ten candidate.

When SenorPipino is right....he's right.

C'mon guys! In '73 Quarry owned Earnie Shavers slugging and Ron Lyle boxing and for those efforts got ducked by Foreman (who admitted it). Thus, ANYone suggesting a 180# Foster would do anything other than crumple REAL fast under Jerry's blitz is simply absurd. See Foster against Frazier. Same scenario!

Syntax Error wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Klitschko is actually superior to all the 70s HWTS. Even Ali.

But most people can't handle that truth. They've been programmed to believe Ali and the 70s were the best era ever. It was the most exciting and entertaining (because of Ali) but Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos took HWT boxing to a higher level.

Please bear in mind that an opinion is just that; an opinion, not the truth or a fact.

You have no way of proving what you've said, so it cannot be the 'truth'.

Yes! That's a fact! Their probably are many comparisons you could draw a definite conclusion but..would not count on it for the comparison made in this one!

Bob Foster lacked a Heavyweight's chin... Light Heavyweights who are not super tough should NEVER fight Heavyweights. I remember seeing a raw novice Heavyweight in sparring versus a Light Heavyweight with over 40 pro fights, like about 34-8.. The novice caught the LHW and knocked him stiff.. Light Heavyweight Champion Jose Torres boxed an exhibition against a raw novice Heavyweight and got iced with one shot.

Bob Foster was doing really well with Joe Frazier though.. I was amazed at the way Bob started the fight.. He rattled punches of Frazier's skull and caught Joe with a brutal right... I LMAO and thought "Whooooaaaah hit him again!!!" ... Then Frazier hit Bob...Ouch!!!!

Rocky Marciano was floored by Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles went the distance with him... Light Heavyweights can just about fight Heavyweights of a certain size.. If they're under 200 pounds you might have a shot.. Jerry Quarry wasn't real big so I'm not actually that sure about this matchup... I would say Quarry would win, but I wouldn't put money on it... Jerry would get hit for sure before he got to Bob.

raylawpc wrote:

DaveyMac wrote:I think the fights a toss-up with Foster a small favorite. The HW's that gave Foster trouble were a lot bigger than Jerry (who was basically a cruiser) and two of them were Ali and Frazier so it's not like JQ sized guys were that much of a challenge to him.

Zora Folley, Doug Jones and Joe Frazier were "a lot bigger than Jerry?"

I was just thinking the same. I go with almost everybody in picking Quarry stoppage,though for me probably late after a good fight. Ive always thought that Harold Johnson did better than Bob against heavyweights,despite being a lot shorter. He outboxed Jones,albeit light heavy. Jones stopped Bob. Beat Nino Valdes,a big heavy. Archie Moore undoubtably better at heavy.
On the Wladimir discussion I don't mean to denigrate him he was the best around for years but I honestly think the Sonny Liston who beat Patterson,Machen,Folley,Williams would have murdered him,absolutely.

quarry by late tko

Does anyone remember a Flintstones episode with a boxer in it by the
name of "Rocky Quarry"?

raylawpc wrote:

DaveyMac wrote:I think the fights a toss-up with Foster a small favorite. The HW's that gave Foster trouble were a lot bigger than Jerry (who was basically a cruiser) and two of them were Ali and Frazier so it's not like JQ sized guys were that much of a challenge to him.

Zora Folley, Doug Jones and Joe Frazier were "a lot bigger than Jerry?"

Doug Jones sure wasn't. He fought Ali at a fat 188 and gave him Hell. A lot of people had Jones winning. He stopped Foster when Bob had about 10 fights, but Jones couldn't handle heavyweights, even skinny Ernie Terrell beat him up. Thad Spencer, a very small heavy, was too much for Terrell.