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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 07:23
by johnswan1
GGG by mid rounds body shot KO, a very, very easy fight for him. All of Murray's strengths will play right into his hands.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:08
by SteveDow
veriton wrote:i bet Murray was straight on the phone to Ian John Lewis after the Rose stoppage, that's the ref he needs for this one.
he did well in argentina but i would think the atmosphere in monte carlo will be pretty poor, just the odd clinking of champagne glasses as you get stoved in hardly stirs the soul.
the sooner he gets out of there with his cash and senses intact the better. but then we all thought mcclellan was an indestuctable monster who was going to steamroll benn.....
Yes but the big difference in the Benn v McClellan fight was that Benn could punch and wasn't fighting a natural super middleweight. Murray doesn't hit hard enough to trouble GGG.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:24
by bripez
johnswan1 wrote:GGG by mid rounds body shot KO, a very, very easy fight for him. All of Murray's strengths will play right into his hands.
Unfortunately this is what I also think.
Murrays strength is his strength, which will not be to his advantage. It is not as if he is a slick boxer with speed and agility / reflexes etc. In fact, in his last couple of fights he has looked slow and ponderous like he is punching through treacle (this may all be relative and because of a higher class of opponent).
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:39
by SNG
SteveDow wrote:veriton wrote:i bet Murray was straight on the phone to Ian John Lewis after the Rose stoppage, that's the ref he needs for this one.
he did well in argentina but i would think the atmosphere in monte carlo will be pretty poor, just the odd clinking of champagne glasses as you get stoved in hardly stirs the soul.
the sooner he gets out of there with his cash and senses intact the better. but then we all thought mcclellan was an indestuctable monster who was going to steamroll benn.....
Yes but the big difference in the Benn v McClellan fight was that Benn could punch and wasn't fighting a natural super middleweight. Murray doesn't hit hard enough to trouble GGG.
Good point, I'll never forget how small McClellan looked against Benn.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:41
by Counter-puncher
al least, I assume you're being ironic....
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:42
by SNG
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:46
by palooka
Though Benn himself said that he didn't think McClellan appreciated how difficult the move from middle to super middle was; Nigel said it took him 12 months to adjust to the weight.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:47
by SNG
It's twenty years next week since that fight funnily enough isn't it?
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:47
by MightyWarrior
SNG wrote:SteveDow wrote:veriton wrote:i bet Murray was straight on the phone to Ian John Lewis after the Rose stoppage, that's the ref he needs for this one.
he did well in argentina but i would think the atmosphere in monte carlo will be pretty poor, just the odd clinking of champagne glasses as you get stoved in hardly stirs the soul.
the sooner he gets out of there with his cash and senses intact the better. but then we all thought mcclellan was an indestuctable monster who was going to steamroll benn.....
Yes but the big difference in the Benn v McClellan fight was that Benn could punch and wasn't fighting a natural super middleweight. Murray doesn't hit hard enough to trouble GGG.
Good point, I'll never forget how small McClellan looked against Benn.
And also the hype about McClellan was all true, but tragically he believed it too and didn't really train...but yes, Benn had the big punch, and MM doesn't.
I can't see the ultra professional GG not bothering to train - he'll be ready to go and is going to walk right through Murray who is in for a major shock ( like all GGG's opponents )
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 08:52
by SNG
palooka wrote:Though Benn himself said that he didn't think McClellan appreciated how difficult the move from middle to super middle was; Nigel said it took him 12 months to adjust to the weight.
I was being a bit cheeky, I don't underestimate the difference between moving from 160 to 168, just saying he was a big lad and fighting against a former middleweight, Benn wasn't one of the bigger SMWs about. I don't think it's a particularly good comparison, mind.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:03
by SteveDow
SNG wrote:palooka wrote:Though Benn himself said that he didn't think McClellan appreciated how difficult the move from middle to super middle was; Nigel said it took him 12 months to adjust to the weight.
I was being a bit cheeky, I don't underestimate the difference between moving from 160 to 168, just saying he was a big lad and fighting against a former middleweight, Benn wasn't one of the bigger SMWs about. I don't think it's a particularly good comparison, mind.
This fight and the Benn v McClellan one can't logically be compared to each other given the fact that Benn was a proven world champion and a huge puncher who had made numerous defences and was fighting a guy who was not established at the weight regardless of how big he is or how scary a puncher he was. Benn was also fighting on home territory which was a huge help to him as if the fight had been in any other country he'd have been stopped in the first round.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:05
by SteveDow
SteveDow wrote:SNG wrote:palooka wrote:Though Benn himself said that he didn't think McClellan appreciated how difficult the move from middle to super middle was; Nigel said it took him 12 months to adjust to the weight.
I was being a bit cheeky, I don't underestimate the difference between moving from 160 to 168, just saying he was a big lad and fighting against a former middleweight, Benn wasn't one of the bigger SMWs about. I don't think it's a particularly good comparison, mind.
This fight and the Benn v McClellan one can't logically be compared to each other given the fact that Benn was a proven world champion and a huge puncher who had made numerous defences and was fighting a guy who was not established at the weight regardless of how big he is or how scary a puncher he was. Benn was also fighting on home territory which was a huge help to him as if the fight had been in any other country he'd have been stopped in the first round.
The equivalent of a Benn v McClellan now would be if GGG moved up to 168lbs to fight Froch.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:23
by whiteboy
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
700 Martin Murray fans will be a little louder than the clinking of champagne glasses
is that definite? great effort if so
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:29
by freddydoesdallas
whiteboy wrote:Marlo Stanfield wrote:
700 Martin Murray fans will be a little louder than the clinking of champagne glasses
is that definite? great effort if so
700 people from St Helens around champagne glasses, they'll barely be able to get a mouthful of tennants super in those!
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:30
by THEBUTCH
If I give Murray no chance against GGG (like I did against Sturm and Martinez) maybe Martin will turn in yet another career best performance....and he's going to need to.
I think the very best Murray can hope for is to come a competitive 2nd best.
Good luck Martin
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:30
by freddydoesdallas
Has anyone seen a price on GGG touching down?
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:39
by palooka
freddydoesdallas wrote:Has anyone seen a price on GGG touching down?
That'd be the first time in 350 amateur bouts and 31 pro fights?
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:40
by SteveDow
palooka wrote:freddydoesdallas wrote:Has anyone seen a price on GGG touching down?
That'd be the first time in 350 amateur bouts and 31 pro fights?
GGG is 10/1 to be knocked down with Paddy Power
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:41
by SteveDow
palooka wrote:freddydoesdallas wrote:Has anyone seen a price on GGG touching down?
That'd be the first time in 350 amateur bouts and 31 pro fights?
Yes. He's apparently never been down as an amateur, pro or in sparring.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:42
by freddydoesdallas
palooka wrote:freddydoesdallas wrote:Has anyone seen a price on GGG touching down?
That'd be the first time in 350 amateur bouts and 31 pro fights?
Everyone tends to go down at some point. I don't think he will be hurt more that if he thinks he can walk through Murray that he might get caught off balance.
Cheers for the price Steve. I don't think it's great value at 10/1
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:46
by SteveDow
freddydoesdallas wrote:palooka wrote:freddydoesdallas wrote:Has anyone seen a price on GGG touching down?
That'd be the first time in 350 amateur bouts and 31 pro fights?
Everyone tends to go down at some point. I don't think he will be hurt more that if he thinks he can walk through Murray that he might get caught off balance.
Cheers for the price Steve. I don't think it's great value at 10/1
No worries. I can't see it happening. It's not really a fight to have a bet in as GGG is 1/7 best price to win by stoppage. The possible value is in a GGG points win at 13/2 with Sky Bet but I can't see Murray lasting the distance. As it happens I've just thrown a few hundred on GGG just to win in a treble with Chelsea to beat Burnley at home and Barca to beat Malaga at home which pays out at 1/2.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 09:49
by palooka
I think Curtis Stevens hits harder than Murray; Martin is a solid and strong performer but not an explosive puncher and he doesn't throw from unusual angles; he's not likely to catch Golovkin napping. I can see a mid rounds bust up.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 13:44
by Bodyshot3
Just supposing Martin did win this one.....where would that rank in terms of great world title upsets pulled-off by Brit fighters?
Think it would come in pretty near the summit in my opinion...maybe on a par with Honeyghan sticking one on Curry?
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 13:49
by Boxerbeetle
Bodyshot3 wrote:Just supposing Martin did win this one.....where would that rank in terms of great world title upsets pulled-off by Brit fighters?
Think it would come in pretty near the summit in my opinion...maybe on a par with Honeyghan sticking one on Curry?
I posed this question on another thread, don't think anyone came up with a bigger upset. This would be possibly surpass the Honeyghan victory imo.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Martin Murray
Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 14:11
by freddydoesdallas
Boxerbeetle wrote:Bodyshot3 wrote:Just supposing Martin did win this one.....where would that rank in terms of great world title upsets pulled-off by Brit fighters?
Think it would come in pretty near the summit in my opinion...maybe on a par with Honeyghan sticking one on Curry?
I posed this question on another thread, don't think anyone came up with a bigger upset. This would be possibly surpass the Honeyghan victory imo.
To be honest, i think there would be a lot of revisionism and pulling apart of GGGs record and how it was padded out with a lot of lower level names a la 'Left Hook'. Add to that they Murray has been in with genuine world class fighters before and it gets easier to pass GGG off as hype.
