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ReggieDiggs wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:THIS FIGHT WILL BE ON CBS ... SO SHUT THE eff UP.

lmfao.

"F#ck this, we don't want free fights"

It can be a lil ridiculous with all these free fights being sh!t on. Leave it to some boxing fans to hate....well everything basically &

Virtually every notable fight aside from those in the lowest weight classes can be viewed live and for free through some medium. The fact something is on CBS (which isn't free for many of us) doesn't make it immune from criticism and I'm not sure why it should.

Looking forward to your next thread about the camera angles we'll be privileged to enjoy on Haymon's cards.

Five or six years ago, Sakio Bika would have enough to give Adonis Stevenson a very, very rough night and mayebe even nick it. Now With Stevenson at Light-Heavy and Bika coming up to fight him. I think Stevenson batters Bika something damn right horrific in this one, but it keeps Stevenson busy before the inevitable Krushing.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:THIS FIGHT WILL BE ON CBS ... SO SHUT THE eff UP.

Aren't you concerned about Bika's health? A brutal mismatch is ok as long as Haymon does it on CBS?

Over the hill super middle after 3 non win fights moving up in weight to fight so called lineal champ. I mean do things get worse then that. And to think someone would find this interesting. Tells you about the state of the sport. They trained us pretty well lets face it. And with Haymons buying TV time thing soon will be begging even for that.

Tarkus wrote:And to think someone would find this interesting.

The Haymon cheerleaders Reggie and BI will probably find something interesting or at least defend it if their man is involved. Apparently this fight is beyond criticism to them.......

crusader wrote: Virtually every notable fight aside from those in the lowest weight classes can be viewed live and for free through some medium. The fact something is on CBS (which isn't free for many of us) doesn't make it immune from criticism and I'm not sure why it should.

Looking forward to your next thread about the camera angles we'll be privileged to enjoy on Haymon's cards.

LOL trust me I know you sad sack boxing fans got the right to bitch & moan about everything. Thats all you guys do & will continue to do. The top ten fights you wanna see could get put all on one card & you'd be bitching about "its too much" or something negative about it.

Personally I like new sh!t or reinventing sh!t. Al is bringing new sh!t & reinventing new sh!t for the sport. Hardly anyone brings new sh!t to boxing. I am without hesitation a Al fan because of this. Everyone else is just going to the typical thing.

A bit of a rant I think ultimately promoters prevent more fights than anyone else so I'm a fan of every guy signing with Al to get rid of a bs power structure thats too heavily focused on promoters. 95% of the cats we talk about daily don't need to be contractually obliged to a specific promoter. Lets get everyone under an advisor (Al or whoever, I predict Al is just the first guy taking the road he's on btw, there'll be more & probably thinking outside the box more & being more innovative) & promoters can be hired on a fight by fight basis. Its bs we got guys like Mikey, Julio & Andre setting for a year over bs promoter conflicts (that usually seem to have some angle where they gotta re-sign before their last fight or they get bs fights & long periods of inactivity).

crusader wrote:

Tarkus wrote:And to think someone would find this interesting.

The Haymon cheerleaders Reggie and BI will probably find something interesting or at least defend it if their man is involved. Apparently this fight is beyond criticism to them.......

Trust me I'm equally impressed at your & your ilk's ability to find something to hate in anything

Boxing fans in general can be negative, but not all of them are and I don't think I am either. Even if they all were, that wouldn't mean that a bout is beyond criticism because it's on a particular network (that I don't get for free unless I stream it, like I can do for every major network in most countries), as you and BI seem to nonsensically suggest. Are Klitschko opponents beyond criticism too if the bouts are shown free in Germany?

No doubt you are a Haymon fan, which is reflected in your great sensitivity towards criticism of him (or when someone just suggests that he's viewed as more suspicious because he doesn't talk to the media ) and your eagerness to promote his endeavors (omg a ref cam! so innovative even though it's been done loads of times).

How do you get rid of the "power structure that's too heavily focused on promoter" by making another super powerful promoter. New is not welcomed if it makes things worse. And so far all signs are that it is worse.

Please tell me how Haymon's power structure is good when he's doing things like making Quillin inactive, dropping a belt and turning down over a million in a fight he had a good chance of winning. Or his horrific handling of Stevenson. Keeping his fighters away from Rigondeaux. Having the sanctioning bodies in his pocket. And whatever other crap that I don't care to think of, he has a hand in and is a creator of plenty. The guy leaves a stink trail wherever he goes, but hey, you like his style so everybody should sign with him. Stevenson - Bika is just another trash fight, and there's many more to come. I'm not so sure what so innovative about all of this - it sounds like the year 2014 all over again, but this time it's in 3d!

The Adonis joke continues. Fighting an over the hill 168 lber at 175. Sounds about right.

crusader wrote:Boxing fans in general can be negative, but not all of them are and I don't think I am either. Even if they all were, that wouldn't mean that a bout is beyond criticism because it's on a particular network, like you and BI seem to nonsensically suggest.

No doubt you are a Haymon fan, which is reflective in your great sensitivity towards criticism of him (or when someone just suggests that he's viewed as more suspicious because he doesn't talk to the media ) and your eagerness to promote his endeavors (omg a ref cam! so innovative even though it's been done loads of times).

I don't think I've suggested anywhere this fight is "beyond criticism". I said its solid & you lost your sh!t is basically what went down.

The he doesn't talk to the media thing is retarded. He in fact does talk to the media, just off the record, as most people behind the scenes like managers tend to do. And hell maybe the guy gots some Nick Diaz social anxiety thing going on idk. The sh!t where he's hiding behind the curtains at pressers stuff is clearly some odd sorta sh!t.

Again man, no one in boxing is doing virtually anything different EVER. Its so disappointing to see. HBO did allegedly & that failed & they ran (along with their budget) from doing anything different for a long ass time it seems. You gotta take some risks or do something to shake things up every once in awhile. If football was ran by the same cats running boxing the super bowl would be in the same place every year, announced by the same guys every year & the halftime show woulda been LL Cool J or Ricky Martin or someone like that for the last twenty years. I just want guys doing some new stuff & even rehashing old ideas gets you points in my book. I'm a cat who's often critical of Bob, but I highly respect Bob's China move. Thats huge for the sport even if he's doing the paint by numbers things he's being doing since Ali.

Tarkus wrote:How do you get rid of the "power structure that's too heavily focused on promoter" by making another super powerful promoter. New is not welcomed if it makes things worse. And so far all signs are that it is worse.

So much irony. Taking the power away from promoters to make a super power promoter. It isn't happening. The reality is they have to work with each other. Most promoters do, only the select few who can't.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

crusader wrote:Boxing fans in general can be negative, but not all of them are and I don't think I am either. Even if they all were, that wouldn't mean that a bout is beyond criticism because it's on a particular network, like you and BI seem to nonsensically suggest.

No doubt you are a Haymon fan, which is reflective in your great sensitivity towards criticism of him (or when someone just suggests that he's viewed as more suspicious because he doesn't talk to the media ) and your eagerness to promote his endeavors (omg a ref cam! so innovative even though it's been done loads of times).

I don't think I've suggested anywhere this fight is "beyond criticism". I said its solid & you lost your sh!t is basically what went down.

The he doesn't talk to the media thing is retarded. He in fact does talk to the media, just off the record, as most people behind the scenes like managers tend to do. And hell maybe the guy gots some Nick Diaz social anxiety thing going on idk. The sh!t where he's hiding behind the curtains at pressers stuff is clearly some odd sorta sh!t.

Again man, no one in boxing is doing virtually anything different EVER. Its so disappointing to see. HBO did allegedly & that failed & they ran (along with their budget) from doing anything different for a long ass time it seems. You gotta take some risks or do something to shake things up every once in awhile. If football was ran by the same cats running boxing the super bowl would be in the same place every year, announced by the same guys every year & the halftime show woulda been LL Cool J or Ricky Martin or someone like that for the last twenty years. I just want guys doing some new stuff & even rehashing old ideas gets you points in my book. I'm a cat who's often critical of Bob, but I highly respect Bob's China move. Thats huge for the sport even if he's doing the paint by numbers things he's being doing since Ali.

BI posted "THIS FIGHT WILL BE ON CBS ... SO SHUT THE eff UP." and your response suggested to me that you agreed with him. At the very least, sarcastically writing ""F#ck this, we don't want free fights" suggests that you believe that this fight being on CBS should insulate it from criticism to a significant extent.

I've given my thoughts on why I don't think it's a solid fight and I thought they were quite reasonable, so perhaps you could tell me where I lost my sh!t to use your parlance. Your ad nauesem defense of Haymon and sensitivity towards criticism of him is well documented, so I don't think I'm losing my sh!t or distorting your positions by bringing that up.

Of course, AdonESE will say that she wants to fight Kovalev AFTER THAT

Tarkus wrote:How do you get rid of the "power structure that's too heavily focused on promoter" by making another super powerful promoter. New is not welcomed if it makes things worse. And so far all signs are that it is worse.

I think Al is helping figure that out. Idk that there is a roadmap of changing the current power structure thats too focused on promoters or else someone woulda did it already. I do know I hate the idea of guys almost always needing to either be under the same promotional entity when they are at a certain level or huge discussions need to take place for a fight to happen.

I'd like to see more power thrown into boxers hands truth be told & right now I believe being a freelance kinda fighter who can move on a fight by fight basis to any promoter to make any fight is what gives boxers the most power. The problem is still gonna be why would (& just to be clear I'm just throwing this out as an example, there are many potential examples to make) Oscar wanna throw Saul into the ring with GGG is he thought GGG kicks Saul's ass. Basically Oscar would be devaluing his promotion by having its biggest name get beat & therefore lose business value for the company once Saul got KO'd in 3 or w/e (not saying that happens its just an example again). I think there is a bunch of thinking like this going on with the promoters & that stops fights.

crusader wrote: BI posted "THIS FIGHT WILL BE ON CBS ... SO SHUT THE eff UP." and your response suggested to me that you agreed with him. At the very least, sarcastically writing ""F#ck this, we don't want free fights" suggests that you believe that this fight being on CBS should insulate it from criticism to a significant extent.

I've given my thoughts on why I don't think it's a solid fight and I thought they were quite reasonable, so perhaps you could tell me where I lost my sh!t to use your parlance. Your ad nauesem defense of Haymon and sensitivity towards criticism of him is well documented, so I don't think I'm losing my sh!t or distorting your positions by bringing that up.

I found what BI said funny. I certainly don't see the fight being un-insult-able, mainly my sarcastic response was about "your type" being into sh!tting on virtually anything hence the "we don't want free fights" comment.

I just think you & the negative nancy's like you love to sh!t on 3 outta every 4 threads you comment on for some reason. And I felt like you made it a much bigger offense to think this fight is "solid" with all the Al stuff. Maybe the biggest difference between us is I didn't even think nor care about this being a "Haymon" fight out the gate & many of you do.

Blodhemn wrote:

Tarkus wrote:How do you get rid of the "power structure that's too heavily focused on promoter" by making another super powerful promoter. New is not welcomed if it makes things worse. And so far all signs are that it is worse.

So much irony. Taking the power away from promoters to make a super power promoter. It isn't happening. The reality is they have to work with each other. Most promoters do, only the select few who can't.

I don't see taking the power away from current promoters making a super promoter. Its giving the power back to the fighter & freelancing promoters.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

crusader wrote: BI posted "THIS FIGHT WILL BE ON CBS ... SO SHUT THE eff UP." and your response suggested to me that you agreed with him. At the very least, sarcastically writing ""F#ck this, we don't want free fights" suggests that you believe that this fight being on CBS should insulate it from criticism to a significant extent.

I've given my thoughts on why I don't think it's a solid fight and I thought they were quite reasonable, so perhaps you could tell me where I lost my sh!t to use your parlance. Your ad nauesem defense of Haymon and sensitivity towards criticism of him is well documented, so I don't think I'm losing my sh!t or distorting your positions by bringing that up.

I found what BI said funny. I certainly don't see the fight being un-insult-able, mainly my sarcastic response was about "your type" being into sh!tting on virtually anything hence the "we don't want free fights" comment.

I just think you & the negative nancy's like you love to sh!t on 3 outta every 4 threads you comment on for some reason. And I felt like you made it a much bigger offense to think this fight is "solid" with all the Al stuff. Maybe the biggest difference between us is I didn't even think nor care about this being a "Haymon" fight out the gate & many of you do.

I regularly criticize fights when I think they're poor (and praise them when I think they're good-see the recent PBC thread ) so this is nothing new, and I posted several times because other posters offered views that I wanted to address; this is a forum you know. In all, it probably took me no more than ten minutes combined to write my posts in which I give reasons why I don't like this bout, so it's not like I'm sitting here all day spewing negativity. I think it's very reasonable for people to criticize this fight and you haven't given reasons for me to think otherwise, so I don't see the responses in this thread as examples of unreasonable hating or excessive negativity and hence I think the 'negative nancy' nonsense you're bringing up is out of place and reflective of your sensitivity towards criticism of Haymon.

Haymon being involved has no bearing on what I think of the quality of this bout and only a tiny proportion of my posts are about him, but I do think his involvement leads to biased feedback from certain posters who feel more strongly about him than I do (which is indifferent because while he's been a major force in some farces it seems like he's now behind some very interesting bouts-I'll have to wait and see).

Give power to fighters and what happens is Garcia Salkas and Stevenson Bikas. They already moan about been "prizefighters" and want to be payed most for the least effort. Canelo might have a hurt but all those Haymon flock dont. So we cant rely on that at all. Power should be taken away from both promoters and fighter and given to organization, like it is in every other major sport. But there is no organization in boxing, just corrupt sanctioning bodies. Its not even a sport. So nothing gets done or will be done.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:

Tarkus wrote:How do you get rid of the "power structure that's too heavily focused on promoter" by making another super powerful promoter. New is not welcomed if it makes things worse. And so far all signs are that it is worse.

So much irony. Taking the power away from promoters to make a super power promoter. It isn't happening. The reality is they have to work with each other. Most promoters do, only the select few who can't.

I don't see taking the power away from current promoters making a super promoter. Its giving the power back to the fighter & freelancing promoters.

It doesn't give power to either and it cuts out quite a few small time promoters in the process. Haymon's contracts don't even obligate him to getting his fighters a fight. Since he has so many under contract, you just have to yield to the pecking order and hope he's operating in good faith. Certainly no problems can come of that... surely...

crusader wrote:It certainly seems to me like some people have become cheerleaders for certain promoters, managers, or advisers. It's not just about the fights and the fighters anymore, if it ever was.

I'll come clean, I'm a cheerleader for Ohashi, dam do they put on some great fights on free TV...

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:THIS FIGHT WILL BE ON CBS ... SO SHUT THE eff UP.

Which brings me here. Ohashi put on Gonzalez vs Yaegashi, Inoue vs Hernandez and Yaegashi vs Guevara/Inoue vs Narvaez of Fuji TV (free to air). Great fights in free to air for fans in the country... Whilst Haymon is putting on this crock of shit...

Fights on free tv. Yet people complain.
I'm just excited that I don't have to pay for it.

tiny_acres wrote:Fights on free tv. Yet people complain.
I'm just excited that I don't have to pay for it.

Why shouldn't people complain about the quality of a fight just because it's on free TV? Should only those who don't get CBS complain? Should Americans not complain about the quality foreign bouts that are broadcast on free TV in other countries?

tiny_acres wrote:Fights on free tv. Yet people complain.
I'm just excited that I don't have to pay for it.

I guess you love the fights being aired on Thai TV between well regarded prospexts and medically suspended fighters then...or world class fighters and debutante... Because well they are on free to air TV...