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Aaronide_ger wrote:

Perseus wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:When you are a middleweight fighting at CATCHWEIGHTS against WELTERWEIGHTS you dont DESERVE that title.. Strip it off and give it to the next in line. Cotto is a joke for the 160 division

Martinez won the Ring title fair and square by beating the previous champ then defended it many times against legit middleweights. ONE fight against a smaller guy for the biggest available payday hardly makes him undeserving.
No matter who he fights the fact that he won the title IN THE RING makes him more deserving than anyone that would accept a title being just given to him.
The ONLY active boxer that DESERVES the Ring middleweight title is the man who defeated the previous champion and that man is Miguel Cotto.

Yea Defeating a 39 year old with Knee Problems and defending the title against welterweights, That is what I call Paper champion.

Vacate the title and gtfo the division

So if GGG beat that very same 39 year old with knee problems that would be different in your fantasy land?

How about if GGG fights the welterweight Cotto at a catchweight and beats him?
According to your stupidity that automatically makes him a paper champ and undeserving of the title.

Go ahead make up more silly reasons why your guy should have belts just given to him while the previous champ and the guy who beat him don't deserve the Ring simply because you like GGG and not them.

Avoiding defenses against top middleweights is what makes Cotto a paper champ.

ikorolev wrote:Avoiding defenses against top middleweights is what makes Cotto a paper champ.

Sh!t 3 outta the 4 title holders in any division is a paper champion so this ain't even a diss these days.

Perseus wrote:So if GGG beat that very same 39 year old with knee problems that would be different in your fantasy land?

How about if GGG fights the welterweight Cotto at a catchweight and beats him?
According to your stupidity that automatically makes him a paper champ and undeserving of the title.

Go ahead make up more silly reasons why your guy should have belts just given to him while the previous champ and the guy who beat him don't deserve the Ring simply because you like GGG and not them.

If GGG beat Sergio martinez it would be the same as Cotto, He beat and old guy with Knee problems and would not get FULL credit.

GGG FIGHTING the RING MIDDLEWEIGHT champ at catchweight? U joking right? This is the 160 division not the 154 or 147.

According to my stupidity? Haha, flaming me now u mad?

GGG paper champ? That is why he has 12 Wins (12 KOs) in World title fights against MIDDLEWEIGHTS

All ur arguements make ZERO sense

Aaronide_ger wrote:

Perseus wrote:So if GGG beat that very same 39 year old with knee problems that would be different in your fantasy land?

How about if GGG fights the welterweight Cotto at a catchweight and beats him?
According to your stupidity that automatically makes him a paper champ and undeserving of the title.

Go ahead make up more silly reasons why your guy should have belts just given to him while the previous champ and the guy who beat him don't deserve the Ring simply because you like GGG and not them.

If GGG beat Sergio martinez it would be the same as Cotto, He beat and old guy with Knee problems and would not get FULL credit.

GGG FIGHTING the RING MIDDLEWEIGHT champ at catchweight? U joking right? This is the 160 division not the 154 or 147.

According to my stupidity? Haha, flaming me now u mad?

GGG paper champ? That is why he has 12 Wins (12 KOs) in World title fights against MIDDLEWEIGHTS

All ur arguements make ZERO sense

GGG has faced average competition at best for most of his 12 "defences" . his oppostion has been 50% poor.

Aaronide_ger wrote:

Perseus wrote:So if GGG beat that very same 39 year old with knee problems that would be different in your fantasy land?

How about if GGG fights the welterweight Cotto at a catchweight and beats him?
According to your stupidity that automatically makes him a paper champ and undeserving of the title.

Go ahead make up more silly reasons why your guy should have belts just given to him while the previous champ and the guy who beat him don't deserve the Ring simply because you like GGG and not them.

If GGG beat Sergio martinez it would be the same as Cotto, He beat and old guy with Knee problems and would not get FULL credit.

GGG FIGHTING the RING MIDDLEWEIGHT champ at catchweight? U joking right? This is the 160 division not the 154 or 147.

According to my stupidity? Haha, flaming me now u mad?

GGG paper champ? That is why he has 12 Wins (12 KOs) in World title fights against MIDDLEWEIGHTS

All ur arguements make ZERO sense

My arguments make perfect sense to anyone who has a slight clue about boxing which clearly does not include you.
So just who would GGG or Cotto get full credit for beating?
Since when is beating the reigning champ not good enough?
The challenger has no say at all in who the champ happens to be, how old that champion is and if he has bad knees or some other such problem.

So far your whole argument is nothing more than you like one guy so just GIVE him the belts.
Forget actually fighting the Ring champ and beating him or winning a vacant championship just strip the champ then pick somebody out of the crowd and give them the belt

Perseus wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:

Perseus wrote:So if GGG beat that very same 39 year old with knee problems that would be different in your fantasy land?

How about if GGG fights the welterweight Cotto at a catchweight and beats him?
According to your stupidity that automatically makes him a paper champ and undeserving of the title.

Go ahead make up more silly reasons why your guy should have belts just given to him while the previous champ and the guy who beat him don't deserve the Ring simply because you like GGG and not them.

If GGG beat Sergio martinez it would be the same as Cotto, He beat and old guy with Knee problems and would not get FULL credit.

GGG FIGHTING the RING MIDDLEWEIGHT champ at catchweight? U joking right? This is the 160 division not the 154 or 147.

According to my stupidity? Haha, flaming me now u mad?

GGG paper champ? That is why he has 12 Wins (12 KOs) in World title fights against MIDDLEWEIGHTS

All ur arguements make ZERO sense

My arguments make perfect sense to anyone who has a slight clue about boxing which clearly does not include you.
So just who would GGG or Cotto get full credit for beating?
Since when is beating the reigning champ not good enough?
The challenger has no say at all in who the champ happens to be, how old that champion is and if he has bad knees or some other such problem.

So far your whole argument is nothing more than you like one guy so just GIVE him the belts.
Forget actually fighting the Ring champ and beating him or winning a vacant championship just strip the champ then pick somebody out of the crowd and give them the belt

Its not anybody, its #1 contender and peoples champ. In any case 3g would love to fight Cotto, is mandated to fight him. The most commonly stated reason against is that its unfair to welter Cotto. Ok, so drop the belt if too small/weak to defend it.

tiny_acres wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:P4P List

So they removed Andre ward and they put Golovkin in #10.

But in the middleweight rankings Cotto is the Ring Champion.. How can something like this happen? Cotto is above Golovkin in the Middleweight rankings but Golovkin is above Cotto in the P4P list.. They screwed up

No matter how much we all know GGG is the real champion.
Cotto defeated the Ring champion in Sergio Martinez.

i thought the ring rankings do not work
that way, but rather go with who is the
best at any given time.

Perseus wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:

Perseus wrote:So if GGG beat that very same 39 year old with knee problems that would be different in your fantasy land?

How about if GGG fights the welterweight Cotto at a catchweight and beats him?
According to your stupidity that automatically makes him a paper champ and undeserving of the title.

Go ahead make up more silly reasons why your guy should have belts just given to him while the previous champ and the guy who beat him don't deserve the Ring simply because you like GGG and not them.

If GGG beat Sergio martinez it would be the same as Cotto, He beat and old guy with Knee problems and would not get FULL credit.

GGG FIGHTING the RING MIDDLEWEIGHT champ at catchweight? U joking right? This is the 160 division not the 154 or 147.

According to my stupidity? Haha, flaming me now u mad?

GGG paper champ? That is why he has 12 Wins (12 KOs) in World title fights against MIDDLEWEIGHTS

All ur arguements make ZERO sense

My arguments make perfect sense to anyone who has a slight clue about boxing which clearly does not include you.
So just who would GGG or Cotto get full credit for beating?
Since when is beating the reigning champ not good enough?
The challenger has no say at all in who the champ happens to be, how old that champion is and if he has bad knees or some other such problem.

So far your whole argument is nothing more than you like one guy so just GIVE him the belts.
Forget actually fighting the Ring champ and beating him or winning a vacant championship just strip the champ then pick somebody out of the crowd and give them the belt

With your point, why doesnt GGG get credit for Knocking out Geale a former UNIFIED WORLD CHAMPION in 3 rounds, with your logic he should get FULL CREDIT which he clearly doesnt, I have a clue about boxing believe me im a hardcore fan and I know so many 19-18 year old prospects that will have great future one day.. I really know my stuff so stop the insults because you make yourself look stupid