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The bout reminded me of Chavez v Rosario; martin is a very strong boxer but was pinned on the ropes for an awful long time.

Ricky_ wrote:Golovkin is something special. He invents punches. He comes down overhands as if they are mirror image uppercuts. Never seen anything like it before.

Very astute of you to notice. You are correct sir. GGG is the best fighter in boxing. He's physicality is un matched and he's very smart. You could say he pressures his opponent both mentally and physically.

Such patience and unpredictability.

Golovkin is a ruthless pressure fighter, even when hit back hard he just cannot wait to press and throw back, at one point he hit Murray with 4 consecutive left uppercuts.

Well first off who likes bodyshots? But what exactly did you see as far as GGG being troubled? This fight looked like a guy trying to escape a beating in a locked room. It was Martin running to the ropes with GGG quickly behind him, GGG hitting him up against the ropes & then Martin escaping only to get as far as the next side of the ropes with GGG quickly behind him again & GGG hitting him up against the ropes again...over & over. It was a nice effort by Martin to last as long as he did while offering up lil in return for most of the fight, but if GGG had any issues it mighta been wind issues from chasing Martin every round & throwing so many damn hard punches.

GGG gets an A+ in everything except he does get hit, but he doesn't seem to care.

ReggieDiggs wrote:Well first off who likes bodyshots? But what exactly did you see as far as GGG being troubled? This fight looked like a guy trying to escape a beating in a locked room. It was Martin running to the ropes with GGG quickly behind him, GGG hitting him up against the ropes & then Martin escaping only to get as far as the next side of the ropes with GGG quickly behind him again & GGG hitting him up against the ropes again...over & over. It was a nice effort by Martin to last as long as he did while offering up lil in return for most of the fight, but if GGG had any issues it mighta been wind issues from chasing Martin every round & throwing so many damn hard punches.

Murray never once bothered or hurt GGG to the head but I noticed that in the mid RDS Murray landed a few body shots and golovkin stopped in his tracks for a second this would lead to GGG then attacking Murrays body with much better results BUT I stand by that GGG didn't like the bodywork of Murray.

SenorPipino wrote:

stevedoc wrote:Just noticed golovkin seemed a bit troubled by body shots

Imagine what a savage Mexican body puncher like Canelo could do if he started ripping those hooks to Golovkin's belly?
And it might be unfair if a huge guy like Chavez Jr. started hitting him with those trademark Mexican hooks to the liver.

Better stick with your usual array of faceless contenders, Triple G.
Quality guys may make it a little hard on you.

And Hopkins will beat "Kovey" too, right Senior?

Golovkin boxes more Mexican than the top Mexicans.

I just posted this on the RBR thread, but thought I would stick it here as well. I didnt think Golovkin needed to get out of first gear. Looked completely at ease throughout the fight and wasnt even blowing at the end. Murray is an experienced and tough contender who I think would give any of the other top middles a hard night.

I think he should have used his jab more to try break up GGGs rythm and should have tried to push GGG back a bit more-he spent too long waiting for GGG-but this is all easy to say this side of the ropes. I think Golovkin is one of those rare guys who can get on top of you psychologically as well as phyiscally.

This guy is seriously good. His only problem is his age and the lack of a superfight or two at middleweight. There just arent the glamour names out there for him.

I also thought Channel 5 did a good job of hiding the fight. If I worked for that company I would want to know who the marketing guy was because I think he needs to find a new job.

Murray seemed to have most success when controlled the middle of the ring - but even then GGG wasn't overly troubled. Perhaps with different tactics Murray might have seen the final bell but he was outclassed.

Its odd in a way, GGG looks pretty easy to hit but he's so tough and hits back so hard its not an issue. If Ward actually gets in the ring again it would make an interesting fight

Sanchez said that Ward fight is 2-3 fights ahead. With Golovkin fighting every 3 months, it could be really soon.

Other Announcer: He doesn't like it to the body, Joe.

Joe Louis: Who do?

ikorolev wrote:Murray did get gift decisions twice against Khomitsky and looked less than impressive in his previous fight (against Spada). He seems to lack motivation when fighting weaker opposition.

spot-on , cos he got robbed blind against Martinez !

rd350lc wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Murray did get gift decisions twice against Khomitsky and looked less than impressive in his previous fight (against Spada). He seems to lack motivation when fighting weaker opposition.

spot-on , cos he got robbed blind against Martinez !

And that's without counting the second KD he should have been awarded

handsofstone wrote:

rd350lc wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Murray did get gift decisions twice against Khomitsky and looked less than impressive in his previous fight (against Spada). He seems to lack motivation when fighting weaker opposition.

spot-on , cos he got robbed blind against Martinez !

And that's without counting the second KD he should have been awarded

Close decisions may go differently than you saw or preferred them but they should not be described with the words "robbed blind."

Didn't like the bodyshots? I would say that the guy that went to the canvas from a body shot was more bothered by body shots, and it wasn't GGG.

jezzamundo wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Frankly, I did not expect Murray to be so tough. I thought he would be another Macklin or Geale. Best wishes to Martin in his further career. If he fights every fight like this one, he could grab a belt pretty soon.

Murray has always been tough as teak. It's probably nigh on impossible to stop him certainly at middleweight. Golovkin is almost a superhuman machine. What amazes me more than anything is that it just literally doesn't bother him taking shots. He doesn't move his head, he doesn't move his body, he literally just lets people connect and doesn't so much as blink. His chin and his conditioning are probably even move impressive than his power.

The only way to beat Golovkin is to dance, jab, move, get in / out, speed. Golovkin is deceptively quick at cutting down the ring so it's going to take an exceptionally quick, slick fighter to stand any chance.

I disagree - I think that's one way to beat Golovkin, but it needs to be coupled with physical strength and the ability to tie GGG up, push him back and fight him on the inside. Ward is the guy to do it, if he's still the fighter he was before the lay-off. I would want GGG to win, though, because he's by far the more entertaining and, for me, likable fighter.

Ward is going to get brutalized. I don't really feel like Triple G needs to move up to 168, but I would like to see him destroy Ward.

...........he may well hate bodyshots but he does love meat

GGG retained his power into the late rounds. I take this as a sure sign that, however nice the occasional body shot landed by Murray might have looked, they were not all that effective in what body shots are supposed to be effective at- sapping stamina and taking something off an opponent's power.

Question is, is it Murray's lack of power or GGG's ability to take a blow or some combination of each? Murray did have Martinez on the canvas...

koolkc107 wrote:GGG retained his power into the late rounds. I take this as a sure sign that, however nice the occasional body shot landed by Murray might have looked, they were not all that effective in what body shots are supposed to be effective at- sapping stamina and taking something off an opponent's power.

Question is, is it Murray's lack of power or GGG's ability to take a blow or some combination of each? Murray did have Martinez on the canvas...

It is obvious to me that Triple G has incredible punch resistance. He took flush shots from Curtis Stevens and didn't flinch.

And exactly which is the correct phrase to use for somebody being on the end of an incorrect descision in the fight against Martinez please ? everybody knows he was "robbed blind" !

Baby Face Finster wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:GGG retained his power into the late rounds. I take this as a sure sign that, however nice the occasional body shot landed by Murray might have looked, they were not all that effective in what body shots are supposed to be effective at- sapping stamina and taking something off an opponent's power.

Question is, is it Murray's lack of power or GGG's ability to take a blow or some combination of each? Murray did have Martinez on the canvas...

It is obvious to me that Triple G has incredible punch resistance. He took flush shots from Curtis Stevens and didn't flinch.

I don't think Stevens landed too many huge shots. He is limited and GGG is excellent defensively.

But, in spots, Stevens did back GGG up...gotta think a guy like Quillin might have similar success.

koolkc107 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:GGG retained his power into the late rounds. I take this as a sure sign that, however nice the occasional body shot landed by Murray might have looked, they were not all that effective in what body shots are supposed to be effective at- sapping stamina and taking something off an opponent's power.

Question is, is it Murray's lack of power or GGG's ability to take a blow or some combination of each? Murray did have Martinez on the canvas...

It is obvious to me that Triple G has incredible punch resistance. He took flush shots from Curtis Stevens and didn't flinch.

I don't think Stevens landed too many huge shots. He is limited and GGG is excellent defensively.

But, in spots, Stevens did back GGG up...gotta think a guy like Quillin might have similar success.

Watch the fight again. You obviously don't remember or missed them when they happened.

ikorolev wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:I know what TS means when Murray went downstairs GGG had a weary posture lowered his arms in indication that they were troubling him.

But with that said he had nothing to fear in Murray who couldnt crack an egg if he tried.

Is there anybody who likes to take shots to a side of the body ??? They did not affect Golovkin's performance, so the trouble was minimal.

Yes no one like it to the body but some guys don't show even when tagged with a good one.

Ggg on the other hand clearly showed it did it affect him? No but he made it obvious that he didn't like it that's all I'm saying.

Basically he didn't do the best job of disguisinig.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

I don't think Stevens landed too many huge shots. He is limited and GGG is excellent defensively.

But, in spots, Stevens did back GGG up...gotta think a guy like Quillin might have similar success.

Watch the fight again. You obviously don't remember or missed them when they happened.

No need. Remember it quite well.

Enough to know Stevens never really tested GGG's chin. What did he land, like 10 punches a round?

Not a test in my book.