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LucaDiCaro wrote:

expe wrote:

LucaDiCaro wrote:

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Was the WBU there for the boxers, or was it to make a quick buck, which is your real aim from all this.

To be honest that is an attempt by myself to bring back a glorious BRITISH created and run Championship, call me a romantic but I would love to bring it back to it's glory days, you remember them I'm sure, when Ricky Hatton, Graham earl, Tony Oakey, Kevin Lear, Paul Smith, Junior Witter etc. were WBU Champions.

As for making money out of it, how? Maybe in ten or twenty years after managing to achieve my dream of re-establishing it, right now it's another of the tools I can provide to help boxers achieve their dreams, which I'm happy to do.

LucaDiCaro wrote:

kamicazze wrote:So a boxer can be licensed by bbb of c and mbc? Does that mean paying out for 2 sets of medicals/brain scans?!
Amd having 2'different managers?

No, one set of everything, if your first license is BBBofC we just request the medical information from them - if first license is MBC then the BBBofC can request from us.

kamicazze wrote:

LucaDiCaro wrote:

kamicazze wrote:So a boxer can be licensed by bbb of c and mbc? Does that mean paying out for 2 sets of medicals/brain scans?!
Amd having 2'different managers?

No, one set of everything, if your first license is BBBofC we just request the medical information from them - if first license is MBC then the BBBofC can request from us.

With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

freddydoesdallas wrote:What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

kamicazze wrote: With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

bripez wrote:

kamicazze wrote: With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

But the BBBofC did recognise the WBU, IBO, WBF etc. because it suited them at that time - it now suits them to not recognise any other organisation and this change of opinion is effectively due to self protection and for no other reason.

gobbles wrote:

LucaDiCaro wrote:

LucaDiCaro wrote:

To be honest that is an attempt by myself to bring back a glorious BRITISH created and run Championship, call me a romantic but I would love to bring it back to it's glory days, you remember them I'm sure, when Ricky Hatton, Graham earl, Tony Oakey, Kevin Lear, Paul Smith, Junior Witter etc. were WBU Champions.

As for making money out of it, how? Maybe in ten or twenty years after managing to achieve my dream of re-establishing it, right now it's another of the tools I can provide to help boxers achieve their dreams, which I'm happy to do.

Neither Paul Smith nor Junior Witter ever held or boxed for WBU titles.
WBU titles were a disgrace. Every fight had the same judges (whatever happened to Reg Thompson and Karl Rogers?) who never had any interest in giving the away fighter the decision because the title became dormant if an overseas boxer won it because they were never boxed for abroad. This is because they ended up only being on Warren shows - I particularly remember one terrible decision handed to Graham Earl over an Argentinian boxer.
The only reason WBU titles existed (and WBF and IBO) in this country was because promoters worked out they could get paid world title money by TV companies for a fifth-rate fight. Any boxer who really achieves his dream of boxing for a WBU title should dream harder. Every WBU title or similar merely takes glory away from real world champions.
Back to the MBC, Mr DiCaro says he funds it, which makes it clear that he also makes all the decisions so, presumably, all the people listed holding roles for the organisation are merely honourary titles.

telboy66 wrote:its as well your opinion Expe is only your's or there would be far less people helping to make boxing safer for the boxers,just what part do you play in our sport apart from critic

freddydoesdallas wrote:What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

LucaDiCaro wrote:

freddydoesdallas wrote:What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

We actually discussed this in depth at the time - If the BBBofC had banned Dereck for his actions in Germany, then no we wouldn't have considered it, but they didn't and as such we would have considered licensing them if asked.

By the way we are fully aware from discussions with other European sanctioning organisations, at the 2012 EBU AGM in Brussels, that we were not alone in this.

If we are talking about other situations then it would be dependent on why the license was withdrawn. I'm sure that in most cases we wouldn't, but to the same degree I'm sure there would be cases where we would.

JimJim2009 wrote:

telboy66 wrote:its as well your opinion Expe is only your's or there would be far less people helping to make boxing safer for the boxers,just what part do you play in our sport apart from critic

It's obvious Expe cares about the sport and good on him for putting the boot in on an outfit that openly advertises it's available championships online with the following blurb...

Not limited to any region or country
Available for boxers from any country
Available to be staged in any country
Provides promoters with a cost effective championship for their events

Incidentally this relates to the Malta boxing commission international championship. This is openly touting a worthless belt online, in the hope some desperado promoter will pay them some wonga so they can pretend to be staging some sort of title fight. The MBC should be ashamed of itself but won't be.

standing8 wrote:When will legal action take place against the BBBOC, to clarify your points you have mentioned Mr Luca DiCaro

JimJim2009 wrote:i am embarrassed for you. The title means nothing and is worthless. It comes bottom of the pile of worthless titles. If you said I could have one for nothing, I wouldn't take you up on it. The concept of a title having some sort of meaning is lost on you. That opponent who fought Mark prince for your cruiser weight title should not have been contesting any sort of championship, he'd only just lost to a two fight novice and was losing every time he fought. I realise your organisation is a bottom feeder and has to sanction fights like that because the better fighters won't contest your titles.

freddydoesdallas wrote:

LucaDiCaro wrote:

freddydoesdallas wrote:What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

We actually discussed this in depth at the time - If the BBBofC had banned Dereck for his actions in Germany, then no we wouldn't have considered it, but they didn't and as such we would have considered licensing them if asked.

By the way we are fully aware from discussions with other European sanctioning organisations, at the 2012 EBU AGM in Brussels, that we were not alone in this.

If we are talking about other situations then it would be dependent on why the license was withdrawn. I'm sure that in most cases we wouldn't, but to the same degree I'm sure there would be cases where we would.

Thanks for the honest reply.

LucaDiCaro wrote:

JimJim2009 wrote:i am embarrassed for you. The title means nothing and is worthless. It comes bottom of the pile of worthless titles. If you said I could have one for nothing, I wouldn't take you up on it. The concept of a title having some sort of meaning is lost on you. That opponent who fought Mark prince for your cruiser weight title should not have been contesting any sort of championship, he'd only just lost to a two fight novice and was losing every time he fought. I realise your organisation is a bottom feeder and has to sanction fights like that because the better fighters won't contest your titles.

I'm happy to answer peoples questions, as I feel that is the decent thing to do, however it is clear that you only intend to be insulting towards me and the MBC so I'll answer no more from you.

bripez wrote:

freddydoesdallas wrote:What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

This fight went ahead under the Luxembourg banner and not BBBofC.

The fight went ahead in London and featured 2 high profile boxers and their high profile managers and promoters. Since the fight, neither the boxers or their managers/promoters have faced any kind of sanctions from the BBBofC.

Why not ? - if the BBBofC are saying that boxers / board members who are involved in non-BBBofC shows will not be welcome back to their club then how do they justify their position ?

Surely a rule is a rule and should not be dependant on who breaks the rule (it can't be ok for one boxer to do something and wrong if another boxer does it - it is either right or wrong) - and it is this inconsistency that I find difficult to understand.

It seems to me that organisations such as MBC and Luxembourg etc. could provide opportunities for boxers to get more regular work - the problem is that if you are a "regular" boxer then the board will come down on you like a tonne of bricks and effectively black-list you from their organisation/club, however if you are a high profile member then they will turn a blind eye - surely that can't be right ?

It looks as though the BBBofC are using grass root members as a way to prevent organisations such as MBC and Luxembourg from legitimately entering the market and ending their monopoloy.

kamicazze wrote:

LucaDiCaro wrote:

kamicazze wrote:So a boxer can be licensed by bbb of c and mbc? Does that mean paying out for 2 sets of medicals/brain scans?!
Amd having 2'different managers?

No, one set of everything, if your first license is BBBofC we just request the medical information from them - if first license is MBC then the BBBofC can request from us.

With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

Looking On wrote:
Luca, whats the chances of this happening soon... will we be seeing BBBoC licensed boxers on MBC shows ? and if so under what timescale do you see this happening ?

JimJim2009 wrote:

telboy66 wrote:its as well your opinion Expe is only your's or there would be far less people helping to make boxing safer for the boxers,just what part do you play in our sport apart from critic

It's obvious Expe cares about the sport and good on him for putting the boot in on an outfit that openly advertises it's available championships online with the following blurb...

Not limited to any region or country
Available for boxers from any country
Available to be staged in any country
Provides promoters with a cost effective championship for their events

Incidentally this relates to the Malta boxing commission international championship. This is openly touting a worthless belt online, in the hope some desperado promoter will pay them some wonga so they can pretend to be staging some sort of title fight. The MBC should be ashamed of itself but won't be.

mimmy123 wrote:I just want to ask one question.

Will you allow Danny Williams to fight on any of your sanctioned bills?