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ReggieDiggs wrote:I swear some cats understand sh!t talking & self promotion about as well as a person with down syndrome.

I think Tyson will give Wlad a fun fight. I think Tyson has heart or balls or whatever you wanna call it more than any two Wlad opponents. He's also a big guy which Wlad isn't encountering too often. And he can actually fight pretty good. Idk about him beating Wlad necessarily, but I am more excited for that fight than for any Wlad fight in quite a while. Win or lose I'm still going enjoy watching Tyson more than Wlad currently & moving forward. Wlad's reign will be remembered by me & I expect many as a reign of lackluster *yawn* dominance not unlike Larry Holmes reign.

TBH hate watching his fights id even prefer to watch audley harrison fight well when i mean fight i mean get in the ring touch gloves and then get knocked out ..

do you think if he had more of jaw hed be more interesting?

ajwesty13 wrote: do you think if he had more of jaw hed be more interesting?

Probably not. Sh!t if I was him I'd probably fight like him. That still doesn't help his cause with me though. Its unfair to him in a way, but as I fan I wanna see a HW who's destructive like Mike Tyson or Sonny Liston, who's just in fun fights every time out like Evander or have a fun persona/character like Muhammad or Tyson Fury. Wlad offers none of those standard interesting HW requirements for me thus I have trouble giving a sh!t. A HW respectfully jabbing & holding shouldn't, & don't for me, garner much fanfare. If he was in a lower division I might be more forgiving, but than again I find Andre Ward & Bhop pretty boring too so Wlad gots company in being a boring elite level fighter.

verballistic wrote: Sorry, I just dont see Fury beating Wlad Klitschko, even though the Ukrainan may have lost a bit of his edge now that he's just a month shy of turning 39.

Me neither, maybe he should go try and get Haye to fight him once more. I think the time is right for both of them to face one another, Haye wants back in and needs a credible opponent and Fury needs a tune-up before Wlad, why not?

Personally I think Fury smashes Haye but David did hold his own pretty well vs Wilder in sparring so he may be somewhat prepared to face a bigger fighter.

ReggieDiggs wrote:
Probably not. Sh!t if I was him I'd probably fight like him. That still doesn't help his cause with me though. Its unfair to him in a way, but as I fan I wanna see a HW who's destructive like Mike Tyson or Sonny Liston, who's just in fun fights every time out like Evander or have a fun persona/character like Muhammad or Tyson Fury. Wlad offers none of those standard interesting HW requirements for me thus I have trouble giving a sh!t. A HW respectfully jabbing & holding shouldn't, & don't for me, garner much fanfare. If he was in a lower division I might be more forgiving, but than again I find Andre Ward & Bhop pretty boring too so Wlad gots company in being a boring elite level fighter.

he does protect his chin with all that frigging jabbing and holding ... however imo he might have had better fights if he wasnt so chinny so he could stand and fight.. also the talent dried long ago in the HW.. but hopefully wilder and joshua will inject some long needed excitement

ajwesty13 wrote:he does protect his chin with all that frigging jabbing and holding ... however imo he might have had better fights if he wasnt so chinny so he could stand and fight.. also the talent dried long ago in the HW.. but hopefully wilder and joshua will inject some long needed excitement

Eh, I mean I see what you're saying, but honestly the way Wlad fights is the way you'd wanna fight even if you had Ray Mercer's chin or someone of that ilk. It just doesn't make for entertaining HW fights. I also believe there to be a higher expectation of HW's to provide entertainment in or out of the ring. Its not fair, but its the way it is.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

ajwesty13 wrote:he does protect his chin with all that frigging jabbing and holding ... however imo he might have had better fights if he wasnt so chinny so he could stand and fight.. also the talent dried long ago in the HW.. but hopefully wilder and joshua will inject some long needed excitement

Eh, I mean I see what you're saying, but honestly the way Wlad fights is the way you'd wanna fight even if you had Ray Mercer's chin or someone of that ilk. It just doesn't make for entertaining HW fights. I also believe there to be a higher expectation of HW's to provide entertainment in or out of the ring. Its not fair, but its the way it is.

I hold heavyweights to a different standard.
I expect my heavies to be exciting. I am guilty of it and have admitted it.

Maybe I would like Wlad if he was a middleweight.But I doubt it.

ReggieDiggs wrote:
Eh, I mean I see what you're saying, but honestly the way Wlad fights is the way you'd wanna fight even if you had Ray Mercer's chin or someone of that ilk. It just doesn't make for entertaining HW fights. I also believe there to be a higher expectation of HW's to provide entertainment in or out of the ring. Its not fair, but its the way it is.

The HW has lacked any talent and tbh you can part some of the blame at wlad with his lack of entertaining doesnt really make the division that attractive for people to lace up the gloves

Wlad fights smart, might not always be entertaining to some, but he gets the job done. And it might not always be against the best Heavyweights the sport has ever seen, but he's beaten who there is to beat. He can't do anymore than that.

As for Fury, he's chiny, clumsy & slow. Wlad will destroy him in a couple of rounds

Fury is entertaining, if nothing else. Wlad is an easy fight for him he thinks? We have to remember the guy is borderline retarded. I guess I shouldn't laugh then, right? Apologies.

Just another Eurotrash Boxer yapping for a payday. Sick of all of them.

Badhusker wrote:Fury is entertaining, if nothing else.

Yes, he's very entertaining. Kind of like seal boy in Freak Show.

Now he says the secret to beating Wlad is to fight him southpaw. Unfortunately, that didn’t seem to help Thompson much, and Thompson has a much better chin than Fury.

verballistic wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Fury is entertaining, if nothing else. Wlad is an easy fight for him he thinks? We have to remember the guy is borderline retarded. I guess I shouldn't laugh then, right? Apologies.

Trash-talking is generally good for the sport & has become a revered tradition. Of course, you have to be able to back it up & I'm not too convinced Fury can back it up vs Wlad, or even Wilder.

Tyson recently elaborated on why he thinks Wlad will be an "easy fight" for him, but I'm still not buying it. Switching from orthodox to southpaw against a guy like Hammer is not what I consider good prep for Wlad:
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/tyson-f ... ore-280409

The fight is by no means a done deal yet, but unbeaten Tyson Fury and his co-promoter allegedly are very hopeful and optimistic that Wladimir Klitschko will agree to make his next defense against Fury in September, possibly in the U.K. Of course, Wladimir, who turns 39-years of age later this month, must first come through against the determined and also unbeaten Bryant Jennings in April, but after that it could be Fury.

And the 6’9 giant who made easy work of Christian Hammer last night, often switching to the southpaw stance as he broke Hammer down for an 8th-round corner retirement win, says his southpaw abilities are the key to his beating Klitschko.

“I believe southpaw is the key because there’s not many heavyweights in the world who get southpaw sparring or anything like that,” Fury told The Manchester Evening News. “The key to beating Klitschko is from a southpaw stance. Corrie Sanders was a southpaw. Tony Thompson gave him problems – both times from a southpaw. Both of those guys were long range fighters, which I am – but they never had my inside game. It makes fights easy. The defence from southpaw is impregnable I believe.”

It will perhaps be interesting to see how Klitschko copes with as big and as fast a fighter as Fury, as will it be fascinating seeing how well Wladimir may handle Fury’s switch-hitting. And Warren says talks have begun to make the fight this September.

Syntax Error wrote:Fury is going to talk his way into a fight against Wladimir, just like David Haye did & just like Haye, Fury will get embarrassed by Wladimir, albeit in a different way.

Fury won't run & hide & he certainly won't offer a lame excuse like Haye did for his embarrassing performance, but he will be completely outclassed.

Not sure he is talking his way into a fight given that he is mandatory.

Batley18 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Fury is going to talk his way into a fight against Wladimir, just like David Haye did & just like Haye, Fury will get embarrassed by Wladimir, albeit in a different way.

Fury won't run & hide & he certainly won't offer a lame excuse like Haye did for his embarrassing performance, but he will be completely outclassed.

Not sure he is talking his way into a fight given that he is mandatory.

Yeah but how exactly is he mandatory for anything, outside of beating Chisora twice, & each time he was clearly unmotivated, Fury has done nothing. Even in such a poor Heavyweight scene he's ducked & avoided anyone that might test him, this is all just to get a big payday title shot, then he'll be exposed & the hypetrain derailed The PR job Fwank Warren has done is masterful.

moogie101 wrote:Yeah but how exactly is he mandatory for anything, outside of beating Chisora twice, & each time he was clearly unmotivated, Fury has done nothing. Even in such a poor Heavyweight scene he's ducked & avoided anyone that might test him, this is all just to get a big payday title shot, then he'll be exposed & the hypetrain derailed The PR job Fwank Warren has done is masterful.

Wrong, very wrong.

moogie101 wrote:

Batley18 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Fury is going to talk his way into a fight against Wladimir, just like David Haye did & just like Haye, Fury will get embarrassed by Wladimir, albeit in a different way.

Fury won't run & hide & he certainly won't offer a lame excuse like Haye did for his embarrassing performance, but he will be completely outclassed.

Not sure he is talking his way into a fight given that he is mandatory.

Yeah but how exactly is he mandatory for anything, outside of beating Chisora twice, & each time he was clearly unmotivated, Fury has done nothing. Even in such a poor Heavyweight scene he's ducked & avoided anyone that might test him, this is all just to get a big payday title shot, then he'll be exposed & the hypetrain derailed The PR job Fwank Warren has done is masterful.

How was the Hell was Fury "unmotivated" against Chisora? Beating someone up for 10 or 12 rounds seems quite motivated to me.

Tony1244 wrote:

How was the Hell was Fury "unmotivated" against Chisora? Beating someone up for 10 or 12 rounds seems quite motivated to me.

I meant Chisora was unmotivated, just there for the payday, rather than any serious aspirations of winning.

Horse wrote:

moogie101 wrote:Yeah but how exactly is he mandatory for anything, outside of beating Chisora twice, & each time he was clearly unmotivated, Fury has done nothing. Even in such a poor Heavyweight scene he's ducked & avoided anyone that might test him, this is all just to get a big payday title shot, then he'll be exposed & the hypetrain derailed The PR job Fwank Warren has done is masterful.

Wrong, very wrong.

Wow, what a well thought out counterargument. I see now how wrong I am.

Fury has looked better his last few fights, but I don't think his chin stands up to Wlad's power.

If he gets in there and somehow weathers what Klitschko throws (the way Wilder answered questions about his chin vs Stiverne) then things get very interesting.

moogie101 wrote:Wow, what a well thought out counterargument. I see now how wrong I am.

Your post was ridiculous. There is no point in arguing with people like you.

verballistic wrote: Trash-talking is generally good for the sport & has become a revered tradition. Of course, you have to be able to back it up

Trash talking is nearly an art in the sport. I'm equally annoyed & intrigued fans take it so seriously most of the time. I don't believe backing it up matters all that much.

Once you get the asses in the seats it don't matter anymore. And in particular for the "bad guys" people will always eat up their sh!t talking cuz people will be paying to see Tyson lose even if he was 24-3. Its gonna be awhile before people would be tired of seeing Tyson lose imho.

Tony1244 wrote: How was the Hell was Fury "unmotivated" against Chisora? Beating someone up for 10 or 12 rounds seems quite motivated to me.

The first fight I'd probably agree he didn't look as focused, motivated or whatever as one would expect a guy to look. The 2nd time I thought he looked really good & I was impressed with how easily he distanced himself from Derreck in skill when some knuckleheads were suggesting Derreck would win this time.

Horse wrote:

moogie101 wrote:Wow, what a well thought out counterargument. I see now how wrong I am.

Your post was ridiculous. There is no point in arguing with people like you.

Just because you're so deluded you feel the need to ride in & defend Tyson every time doesn't change the fact that he's a parody of a boxer who has avoided any real competition & gets sparked the first time he's in there with anyone who can throw something meaningful towards than glass chin of his. You only get so upset because you know I'm right.

moogie101 wrote:

Batley18 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Fury is going to talk his way into a fight against Wladimir, just like David Haye did & just like Haye, Fury will get embarrassed by Wladimir, albeit in a different way.

Fury won't run & hide & he certainly won't offer a lame excuse like Haye did for his embarrassing performance, but he will be completely outclassed.

Not sure he is talking his way into a fight given that he is mandatory.

Yeah but how exactly is he mandatory for anything, outside of beating Chisora twice, & each time he was clearly unmotivated, Fury has done nothing. Even in such a poor Heavyweight scene he's ducked & avoided anyone that might test him, this is all just to get a big payday title shot, then he'll be exposed & the hypetrain derailed The PR job Fwank Warren has done is masterful.

He outclassed a former World title challenger twice (Chisora), just beaten a highly ranked challenger in Hammer. Went to the US to beat Cunningham. I am not Fury's biggest fan, but that CV looks a he'll of a lot better than Wilder, yet he got his shot.

Batley18 wrote:
He outclassed a former World title challenger twice (Chisora), just beaten a highly ranked challenger in Hammer. Went to the US to beat Cunningham. I am not Fury's biggest fan, but that CV looks a he'll of a lot better than Wilder, yet he got his shot.

Without question!