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Horse wrote:

G0mez wrote:Martinez whom was beaten by Rendall Munroe in a Notts leisure centre ? and already KO'd by Frampton previously?

Porter had sparked Malignaggi a 2-weight champion and bullied former champion Devon Alexander. Martinez has not done much at all and was a paper champion, who was fortunate to get the title due to Frampton's change in promoters taking him out the loop for a short while.

Porter who drew Julio Diaz just over two years ago?

Martinez stopped Romero, Mathebula and Hasegawa in world title fights in a 9 month run. If Martinez was a paper champion then so was Porter.

Ian1973 wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I still reckon Frampton is best p4p. He doesn't have the names on his record like Froch but on ability he is out in front.

It's about balancing achievement with proven ability, at least it should be although I do sometimes wonder when I look at Horse's P4P world list. I think if Frampton beats Santa Cruz it'd be hard to argue against him being British P4P number one.

danamba7 wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I still reckon Frampton is best p4p. He doesn't have the names on his record like Froch but on ability he is out in front.

It's about balancing achievement with proven ability, at least it should be although I do sometimes wonder when I look at Horse's P4P world list. I think if Frampton beats Santa Cruz it'd be hard to argue against him being British P4P number one.

Very hard to balance the 2. It's a lot easier to do 2 separate lists. In a list of achievements Froch would be number 1 by far. A list of pure ability, Frampton, Brook & Khan would be above him.

Boxerbeetle wrote: Whaaaat? Don't agree with that at all. Unless you're talking purely on a technical level, which counts for very little on its own.

Horse wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:It's about balancing achievement with proven ability, at least it should be although I do sometimes wonder when I look at Horse's P4P world list. I think if Frampton beats Santa Cruz it'd be hard to argue against him being British P4P number one.

I don't think beating Santa Cruz would make Frampton the clear No. 1.

G0mez wrote:Holy poo balls.

Beating Leo Santa Cruz puts Frampton no1 in the UK ?

Champfan10 wrote:I expected that reply but the fact is a loss surely can't make anyone raise in the rankings, the only way that I would see that happen is it we was talking about Paul Smiths first fight against AA.

crusader wrote:I think Smith was well-beaten by AA this time; in my view it's fitting to move a boxer up following a loss in certain cases, but I don't see why Smith should move up now.

Switch hitter wrote:But he already beat Martinez....surely going to the U.S and beating someone who nearly everyone thought was going to lose to is a far greater win than beating someone who you stopped before

Switch hitter wrote:Macklin should be out rather than either Smith or Galahad.....Still dont understand why James Mc is not in top 10 but Groves is

rossij8 wrote:Not clear no 1, just shading no1 if he beats SC

Froch has been inactive (nearly a year)

palooka wrote:Abraham won convincingly, even Smith and his camp said as much.

palooka wrote:Do you care or consider what anyone says?

Horse wrote:

rossij8 wrote:Not clear no 1, just shading no1 if he beats SC

Froch has been inactive (nearly a year)

It will all depend on how and when it happens.

Froch will have beaten Ward before then.

danamba7 wrote:

Horse wrote:Froch will have beaten Ward before then.

forcefraser wrote:Kevin Mitchell too low and Bellew too high. Swap them please.

Horse wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:But he already beat Martinez....surely going to the U.S and beating someone who nearly everyone thought was going to lose to is a far greater win than beating someone who you stopped before

Switch hitter wrote:Of course it is that's the most ridiculous thing ive heard

Horse wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:Of course it is that's the most ridiculous thing ive heard

Sure it is.

Marlo Stanfield wrote:What if a journeyman beats an average fighter? Does he go above Frampton because no one expected him to win?