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bripez wrote:

Black Sam Bellamy wrote:Let's be honest he's a lot better than most people expected

This.

I didn't watch last nights fight so can't comment on that - however, at age just 25 with limited amateur experience and only 3 months after his first defeat he could have chosen a much lesser opponent for this fight.

I don't think that he would have got too much stick if he had spent the next year having 4 or 5 easier jobs, however it is a sign of his character and the confidence in himself and his team that he didnt follow that route.

Ok, he has them dead fish eyes and doesn't have much of a personality (especially compared to his dad), and has also morphed from a posh public schoolboy to some kind of hoodie wannabe, but after all that he is still a decent prospect.

Im sorry people need to get real.

Before chudinov he is famous for getting beating by bjs....and beating terry caruthers and Bradley pryce in competitive fights.........AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?.....he fights eastern euro bum after eastern euro bum (perks of signing with fwank).....and all of a sudden hes world class

and oh yeah I remember chudinov from his gift decision draw against Patrick mendy......says everything you need to know.....


hes domestic level....and theres a good 7 or 8 middleweights in UK that destroy him.

Tastethepain wrote:

bripez wrote:

Black Sam Bellamy wrote:Let's be honest he's a lot better than most people expected

This.

I didn't watch last nights fight so can't comment on that - however, at age just 25 with limited amateur experience and only 3 months after his first defeat he could have chosen a much lesser opponent for this fight.

I don't think that he would have got too much stick if he had spent the next year having 4 or 5 easier jobs, however it is a sign of his character and the confidence in himself and his team that he didnt follow that route.

Ok, he has them dead fish eyes and doesn't have much of a personality (especially compared to his dad), and has also morphed from a posh public schoolboy to some kind of hoodie wannabe, but after all that he is still a decent prospect.

Im sorry people need to get real.

Before chudinov he is famous for getting beating by bjs....and beating terry caruthers and Bradley pryce in competitive fights.........AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?.....he fights eastern euro bum after eastern euro bum (perks of signing with fwank).....and all of a sudden hes world class

and oh yeah I remember chudinov from his gift decision draw against Patrick mendy......says everything you need to know.....


hes domestic level....and theres a good 7 or 8 middleweights in UK that destroy him.

Bizarre comments - Billy Joe Saunders is the British Champion and he won a split decision through Eubanks inexperience, other than Murray and Macklin (and i think macklin would lose) who are the good 7 or 8 UK middle weights who could beat Jr?

Eubank fought Pryce in his 8th fight do you honestly believe he is the same fighter now?

Chudinov is probably a better opponent than saunders has actually faced.

Finn wrote:

Tastethepain wrote:

bripez wrote:

This.

I didn't watch last nights fight so can't comment on that - however, at age just 25 with limited amateur experience and only 3 months after his first defeat he could have chosen a much lesser opponent for this fight.

I don't think that he would have got too much stick if he had spent the next year having 4 or 5 easier jobs, however it is a sign of his character and the confidence in himself and his team that he didnt follow that route.

Ok, he has them dead fish eyes and doesn't have much of a personality (especially compared to his dad), and has also morphed from a posh public schoolboy to some kind of hoodie wannabe, but after all that he is still a decent prospect.

Im sorry people need to get real.

Before chudinov he is famous for getting beating by bjs....and beating terry caruthers and Bradley pryce in competitive fights.........AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?.....he fights eastern euro bum after eastern euro bum (perks of signing with fwank).....and all of a sudden hes world class

and oh yeah I remember chudinov from his gift decision draw against Patrick mendy......says everything you need to know.....


hes domestic level....and theres a good 7 or 8 middleweights in UK that destroy him.

Bizarre comments - Billy Joe Saunders is the British Champion and he won a split decision through Eubanks inexperience, other than Murray and Macklin (and i think macklin would lose) who are the good 7 or 8 UK middle weights who could beat Jr?

Eubank fought Pryce in his 8th fight do you honestly believe he is the same fighter now?

Chudinov is probably a better opponent than saunders has actually faced.

It was a split decision because Phil Edwards can't judge a fight properly, nothing to do with inexperience, he got his ears boxed off for 6 rounds because he can't box, he can brawl, but he has no jab, no straight right and no control of distance, just wild combinations.

Murray, Macklin, Saunders, Ryder, Blackwell, Etches, Lee if we're counting Irish fighters, there's 6 right there that are capable of beating him, all of those would beat Chudinov too. Destroy him is a bit far, but there's only Etches on that list that he's really surpassed, lets see how he goes once he moves above domestic level again.

danamba7 wrote:A bit crude, hits hard without being a 1 punch KO specialist, ridiculously fit, seems very tough, likes to go to war, willing to fight anyone it seems... Reminds me of a certain Mr Froch!

reminds is far removed from ....anywhere near as strong ;;-)

Still think he looks mediocre.... He has a great engine. Considering how much he misses his stamina is great, because he can keep throwing at a decent rate for a while. His defence is poor though and he gets hit so easily. He looks a right mess when he starts winging away too. If he didn't have a decent chin/ stamina I doubt he'd make it past British level, but right now I could see him operating at European level and scoping an ABC if things work out for him. Realistically though I don't think he belongs at world level and I couldn't really see him lasting any length of time with a world title. Ultimately, if anything I think the BJS fight showed more about the potential of BJS than it did Eubank and I'm pretty sure neither man is going to spend too long mixing at world level during their career..... Very happy to be proved wrong though.

Finn wrote:
Chudinov is probably a better opponent than saunders has actually faced.

U Based that on who he has fought then ?

Eubank is a very fit and talented guy! I bet a lot of trainers see him as a blank canvas they can turn into a masterpiece but probably won't get near him because of his dad. I'm a father myself and I understand Chris' worry and concern for his boy but he should back off a little and let someone else take the reigns. We all know Chris likes the limelight but it's his sons time now. I thought he was excellent against Chudinov. Very good fight.

Finn wrote:

Tastethepain wrote:

bripez wrote:

This.

I didn't watch last nights fight so can't comment on that - however, at age just 25 with limited amateur experience and only 3 months after his first defeat he could have chosen a much lesser opponent for this fight.

I don't think that he would have got too much stick if he had spent the next year having 4 or 5 easier jobs, however it is a sign of his character and the confidence in himself and his team that he didnt follow that route.

Ok, he has them dead fish eyes and doesn't have much of a personality (especially compared to his dad), and has also morphed from a posh public schoolboy to some kind of hoodie wannabe, but after all that he is still a decent prospect.

Im sorry people need to get real.

Before chudinov he is famous for getting beating by bjs....and beating terry caruthers and Bradley pryce in competitive fights.........AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?.....he fights eastern euro bum after eastern euro bum (perks of signing with fwank).....and all of a sudden hes world class

and oh yeah I remember chudinov from his gift decision draw against Patrick mendy......says everything you need to know.....


hes domestic level....and theres a good 7 or 8 middleweights in UK that destroy him.

Bizarre comments - Billy Joe Saunders is the British Champion and he won a split decision through Eubanks inexperience, other than Murray and Macklin (and i think macklin would lose) who are the good 7 or 8 UK middle weights who could beat Jr?

Eubank fought Pryce in his 8th fight do you honestly believe he is the same fighter now?

Chudinov is probably a better opponent than saunders has actually faced.

You obviously are a typical boxrec man. Split decision?....that fight was set up for eubank to win. The big customised entrance, the fact bjs isn't marketable, etc, etc. The fact it was a split decision was a disgrace, I gave eubank at best 4 rounds, and phil Edwards cant score. Inexperience?.... I can see how having 19 fights would not prepare you for a European, and british title shot against a guy with 20 fights :)

Chudinov better than ryder? spike o'sullivan? et al.....you must be using the same dealer eubank sr is :). Chudinov aint Jack!

Do I think he is the same fighter......pretty much yes.......his competition has got worse, take out BJS, and that Russian 'domestic class chump', and his first 8 opponents are better than his last 8.

moving onto the 7 or 8.......BJS (AGAIN), murray, lee, ryder, spike o'sullivan, ronnine Hefron, Jamie cox, nick Blackwell (I have seen this personally in sparring, id love that fight, which is why they keep ducking him!) macklin......Don't you notice how they keep avoiding any top 10 british fighters!

You are clearly a eubank fanboy, so il leave you in your little bubble, il come find you when he actually fights anyone near world class, and we can have a little wager.

Look through his record, its got more padding than an asylum cell

expe wrote: It was a split decision because Phil Edwards can't judge a fight properly, nothing to do with inexperience, he got his ears boxed off for 6 rounds because he can't box, he can brawl, but he has no jab, no straight right and no control of distance, just wild combinations.

Murray, Macklin, Saunders, Ryder, Blackwell, Etches, Lee if we're counting Irish fighters, there's 6 right there that are capable of beating him, all of those would beat Chudinov too. Destroy him is a bit far, but there's only Etches on that list that he's really surpassed, lets see how he goes once he moves above domestic level again.

That is not 6 fighters at all that's you plucking names out of the air and stating they would beat Eubank on pure speculation. BJS beat Ryder and Blackwell by more rounds than he managed to beat eubank by. Eubanks firm favourite to BJS in a rematch, while I agree it should not have been a split decision BJS only won by 2 rounds because he struggled through the last 6 rounds. Eubank gave the fight away, he's now just proven he can fight for a full 12.

Etches is quality I know some of his family members but he hasn't fought at a particularly high level as of yet, and Andy lee isn't British so the claim 6-8 British fighters would destroy him was just nonsense.

Let's be realistic Ryder and Blackwell have not beaten anyone better than chudinov.

Tastethepain wrote:
You obviously are a typical boxrec man. Split decision?....that fight was set up for eubank to win. The big customised entrance, the fact bjs isn't marketable, etc, etc. The fact it was a split decision was a disgrace, I gave eubank at best 4 rounds, and phil Edwards cant score. Inexperience?.... I can see how having 19 fights would not prepare you for a European, and british title shot against a guy with 20 fights :)

Chudinov better than ryder? spike o'sullivan? et al.....you must be using the same dealer eubank sr is :). Chudinov aint Jack!

Do I think he is the same fighter......pretty much yes.......his competition has got worse, take out BJS, and that Russian 'domestic class chump', and his first 8 opponents are better than his last 8.

moving onto the 7 or 8.......BJS (AGAIN), murray, lee, ryder, spike o'sullivan, ronnine Hefron, Jamie cox, nick Blackwell (I have seen this personally in sparring, id love that fight, which is why they keep ducking him!) macklin......Don't you notice how they keep avoiding any top 10 british fighters!

You are clearly a eubank fanboy, so il leave you in your little bubble, il come find you when he actually fights anyone near world class, and we can have a little wager.

Look through his record, its got more padding than an asylum cell

You're a typical wally, I stopped reading when you named Ronnie heffron as someone who would beat Eubank.

I would love to know what you have seen from heffrons performances that gives you the impression he would beat Eubank other than you don't like Eubank. He's not even a middle weight.

He lacks power. Great engine and fitness though. Nice to hear his dad admit the other night that he maybe overrated his sons abilities !!!

Controversial wrote:He lacks power. Great engine and fitness though. Nice to hear his dad admit the other night that he maybe overrated his sons abilities !!!

Yeah had to rewind that bit and play it again, thought my mind was playing tricks on me!

Finn wrote:

expe wrote: It was a split decision because Phil Edwards can't judge a fight properly, nothing to do with inexperience, he got his ears boxed off for 6 rounds because he can't box, he can brawl, but he has no jab, no straight right and no control of distance, just wild combinations.

Murray, Macklin, Saunders, Ryder, Blackwell, Etches, Lee if we're counting Irish fighters, there's 6 right there that are capable of beating him, all of those would beat Chudinov too. Destroy him is a bit far, but there's only Etches on that list that he's really surpassed, lets see how he goes once he moves above domestic level again.

That is not 6 fighters at all that's you plucking names out of the air and stating they would beat Eubank on pure speculation. BJS beat Ryder and Blackwell by more rounds than he managed to beat eubank by. Eubanks firm favourite to BJS in a rematch, while I agree it should not have been a split decision BJS only won by 2 rounds because he struggled through the last 6 rounds. Eubank gave the fight away, he's now just proven he can fight for a full 12.

Etches is quality I know some of his family members but he hasn't fought at a particularly high level as of yet, and Andy lee isn't British so the claim 6-8 British fighters would destroy him was just nonsense.

Let's be realistic Ryder and Blackwell have not beaten anyone better than chudinov.

That is 6, unless you can't count, can add Spike O'Sullivan to that since I forgot about him. Only Etches is speculation, the rest can all beat him, we've seen it in the ring and from the sounds of things, Blackwell bossed him in sparring. I had Saunders beating Ryder by a round, Blackwell by 3 or 4 and Eubank by 6, the Eubank fight was the widest of the lot IMO, disregarding what the judges said. He's not favourite, stop talking bollocks, Saunders is the champion, better boxer and he won the first fight comfortably, again, I don't give a fornicate what the bookies say, they follow public opinion and the vast majority of the public know fornicate all about boxing. He didn't give the fight away, he was beaten, he can try and fight like that for 12 rounds if he wants, while Saunders is fresh, he outboxes him all day long because Eubank can't box.

It's the British and Irish forum, we can count the Irish lads in it too, Lee's eligible for the British title anyway.

Ryder beat O'Kane and Blackwell drew with Khomitsky and had a good shout for beating Bursak, all of those are better than Chudinov who would struggle to win the British title.

expe wrote:

Finn wrote:

expe wrote: It was a split decision because Phil Edwards can't judge a fight properly, nothing to do with inexperience, he got his ears boxed off for 6 rounds because he can't box, he can brawl, but he has no jab, no straight right and no control of distance, just wild combinations.

Murray, Macklin, Saunders, Ryder, Blackwell, Etches, Lee if we're counting Irish fighters, there's 6 right there that are capable of beating him, all of those would beat Chudinov too. Destroy him is a bit far, but there's only Etches on that list that he's really surpassed, lets see how he goes once he moves above domestic level again.

That is not 6 fighters at all that's you plucking names out of the air and stating they would beat Eubank on pure speculation. BJS beat Ryder and Blackwell by more rounds than he managed to beat eubank by. Eubanks firm favourite to BJS in a rematch, while I agree it should not have been a split decision BJS only won by 2 rounds because he struggled through the last 6 rounds. Eubank gave the fight away, he's now just proven he can fight for a full 12.

Etches is quality I know some of his family members but he hasn't fought at a particularly high level as of yet, and Andy lee isn't British so the claim 6-8 British fighters would destroy him was just nonsense.

Let's be realistic Ryder and Blackwell have not beaten anyone better than chudinov.

That is 6, unless you can't count, can add Spike O'Sullivan to that since I forgot about him. Only Etches is speculation, the rest can all beat him, we've seen it in the ring and from the sounds of things, Blackwell bossed him in sparring. I had Saunders beating Ryder by a round, Blackwell by 3 or 4 and Eubank by 6, the Eubank fight was the widest of the lot IMO, disregarding what the judges said. He's not favourite, stop talking bollocks, Saunders is the champion, better boxer and he won the first fight comfortably, again, I don't give a eff what the bookies say, they follow public opinion and the vast majority of the public know eff all about boxing. He didn't give the fight away, he was beaten, he can try and fight like that for 12 rounds if he wants, while Saunders is fresh, he outboxes him all day long because Eubank can't box.

It's the British and Irish forum, we can count the Irish lads in it too, Lee's eligible for the British title anyway.

Ryder beat O'Kane and Blackwell drew with Khomitsky and had a good shout for beating Bursak, all of those are better than Chudinov who would struggle to win the British title.

A bit off the point but your two's discussion shows how good the UK/Irish MW division is. Some great domestic fights to be made between Eubank Jr, Etches, Blackwell, Ryder, O'Sullivan, Macklin maybe. And that's not including the euro/world level Murray, Lee and BJS!

danamba7 wrote:

expe wrote:

Finn wrote:
That is not 6 fighters at all that's you plucking names out of the air and stating they would beat Eubank on pure speculation. BJS beat Ryder and Blackwell by more rounds than he managed to beat eubank by. Eubanks firm favourite to BJS in a rematch, while I agree it should not have been a split decision BJS only won by 2 rounds because he struggled through the last 6 rounds. Eubank gave the fight away, he's now just proven he can fight for a full 12.

Etches is quality I know some of his family members but he hasn't fought at a particularly high level as of yet, and Andy lee isn't British so the claim 6-8 British fighters would destroy him was just nonsense.

Let's be realistic Ryder and Blackwell have not beaten anyone better than chudinov.

That is 6, unless you can't count, can add Spike O'Sullivan to that since I forgot about him. Only Etches is speculation, the rest can all beat him, we've seen it in the ring and from the sounds of things, Blackwell bossed him in sparring. I had Saunders beating Ryder by a round, Blackwell by 3 or 4 and Eubank by 6, the Eubank fight was the widest of the lot IMO, disregarding what the judges said. He's not favourite, stop talking bollocks, Saunders is the champion, better boxer and he won the first fight comfortably, again, I don't give a eff what the bookies say, they follow public opinion and the vast majority of the public know eff all about boxing. He didn't give the fight away, he was beaten, he can try and fight like that for 12 rounds if he wants, while Saunders is fresh, he outboxes him all day long because Eubank can't box.

It's the British and Irish forum, we can count the Irish lads in it too, Lee's eligible for the British title anyway.

Ryder beat O'Kane and Blackwell drew with Khomitsky and had a good shout for beating Bursak, all of those are better than Chudinov who would struggle to win the British title.

A bit off the point but your two's discussion shows how good the UK/Irish MW division is. Some great domestic fights to be made between Eubank Jr, Etches, Blackwell, Ryder, O'Sullivan, Macklin maybe. And that's not including the euro/world level Murray, Lee and BJS!

We missed out on fight between Barker, Macklin, Murray and Lee, we might still see one or two of those come off, but fights between that lot need to be put together, can't have the same situations keep happening.

danamba7 wrote:

Controversial wrote:He lacks power. Great engine and fitness though. Nice to hear his dad admit the other night that he maybe overrated his sons abilities !!!

Yeah had to rewind that bit and play it again, thought my mind was playing tricks on me!

Haha yes me too. Here it is for anyone who missed it. Forward to 3m 50 secs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPphaFFZM5Q

I don't get why people always refer to someone with a different opinion on a boxer a 'fanboy'. Really does my tits in, absolutely pathetic comment and also filled with irony.

Everyone sees different things in a fighter and it's always healthy to see positives and negatives in boxers as it is in life!

freddydoesdallas wrote:I don't get why people always refer to someone with a different opinion on a boxer a 'fanboy'. Really does my tits in, absolutely pathetic comment and also filled with irony.

Everyone sees different things in a fighter and it's always healthy to see positives and negatives in boxers as it is in life!

Nothing wrong with being a fan of a fighter either, it might cloud the judgement slightly but it makes for a good debate.

freddydoesdallas wrote:I don't get why people always refer to someone with a different opinion on a boxer a 'fanboy'. Really does my tits in, absolutely pathetic comment and also filled with irony.

Everyone sees different things in a fighter and it's always healthy to see positives and negatives in boxers as it is in life!

Sort of comment a fanboy would make DD

expe wrote:

danamba7 wrote:
A bit off the point but your two's discussion shows how good the UK/Irish MW division is. Some great domestic fights to be made between Eubank Jr, Etches, Blackwell, Ryder, O'Sullivan, Macklin maybe. And that's not including the euro/world level Murray, Lee and BJS!

We missed out on fight between Barker, Macklin, Murray and Lee, we might still see one or two of those come off, but fights between that lot need to be put together, can't have the same situations keep happening.

Agree. There could be some great rivalries made. BJS has done well to beat 3 on that list already. I'd love to see Ryder V Eubank Jr. aswell. I'd back Ryder in a tough fight.

danamba7 wrote:

expe wrote:

danamba7 wrote:
A bit off the point but your two's discussion shows how good the UK/Irish MW division is. Some great domestic fights to be made between Eubank Jr, Etches, Blackwell, Ryder, O'Sullivan, Macklin maybe. And that's not including the euro/world level Murray, Lee and BJS!

We missed out on fight between Barker, Macklin, Murray and Lee, we might still see one or two of those come off, but fights between that lot need to be put together, can't have the same situations keep happening.

Agree. There could be some great rivalries made. BJS has done well to beat 3 on that list already. I'd love to see Ryder V Eubank Jr. aswell. I'd back Ryder in a tough fight.

Ryder-Blackwell is the one I want to see, both have fallen by the wayside a bit in recent months and gave Saunders good fights, neither take a backward step, only worry would be that with southpaw-orthodox it could turn into a messy brawl.

just seen that eubank jr is now ranked above murray on the boxrec ratings! so its not just eubank fans who live in cloud cuckoo land.
so many mugs out there willing to be led right up the garden path by tv people who will tell you black is white in order to sell more stuff. i suggest that all those fuckwits who agree with the sentiments of the op should start watching fights with the sound turned off.
you might actually see what happens in a fight, rather than being constantly misinformed.
john ryder has done more or less the same as eubank...same age, same record, would probably beat eubank, but gets none of the fanfare,status ,money etc...simply because he doesnt behave like an arsehole, or have his rich daddies greedy friends selling the emperors new clothes.

I don't think Chudinov is a good measuring stick and probably the perfect type of opponent stylewise forEubank jr to look good against. I saw yesterday that boxrec has Eubank Jr above BJS too. Still, that's how it works for everyone.

Finn wrote:

Tastethepain wrote:
You obviously are a typical boxrec man. Split decision?....that fight was set up for eubank to win. The big customised entrance, the fact bjs isn't marketable, etc, etc. The fact it was a split decision was a disgrace, I gave eubank at best 4 rounds, and phil Edwards cant score. Inexperience?.... I can see how having 19 fights would not prepare you for a European, and british title shot against a guy with 20 fights :)

Chudinov better than ryder? spike o'sullivan? et al.....you must be using the same dealer eubank sr is :). Chudinov aint Jack!

Do I think he is the same fighter......pretty much yes.......his competition has got worse, take out BJS, and that Russian 'domestic class chump', and his first 8 opponents are better than his last 8.

moving onto the 7 or 8.......BJS (AGAIN), murray, lee, ryder, spike o'sullivan, ronnine Hefron, Jamie cox, nick Blackwell (I have seen this personally in sparring, id love that fight, which is why they keep ducking him!) macklin......Don't you notice how they keep avoiding any top 10 british fighters!

You are clearly a eubank fanboy, so il leave you in your little bubble, il come find you when he actually fights anyone near world class, and we can have a little wager.

Look through his record, its got more padding than an asylum cell

You're a typical wally, I stopped reading when you named Ronnie heffron as someone who would beat Eubank.

I would love to know what you have seen from heffrons performances that gives you the impression he would beat Eubank other than you don't like Eubank. He's not even a middle weight.

Lol you are a walking contradiction!....Firstly you say its all speculation, then you try and pass off Eubank Jr's record as if he has based himself in mexico lol...Firstly its Hefron as in Mark Hefron. Secondly he is a middleweight and thirdly he would beat Eubank jr.

You are a fanboy, so much so I would post ronnies number on here, for you (that's davies by the way :)), so you can maybe beg him for some tickets. Lastly, Eubank jr has been beaten up in the gym by nick Blackwell, I have seen it with my own eyes. AND CAN YOU PLEASE STOP APPLAUDING CHUDINOV....NO ONE ELSE IS!....he is a man who got beat by Patrick mendy who is weak domestic class.

You like to deal in facts so lets deal them.....in 21 fights who has Eubank jr beat?....other than your boyfriend Chudinov

expe wrote:

Finn wrote:

expe wrote: It was a split decision because Phil Edwards can't judge a fight properly, nothing to do with inexperience, he got his ears boxed off for 6 rounds because he can't box, he can brawl, but he has no jab, no straight right and no control of distance, just wild combinations.

Murray, Macklin, Saunders, Ryder, Blackwell, Etches, Lee if we're counting Irish fighters, there's 6 right there that are capable of beating him, all of those would beat Chudinov too. Destroy him is a bit far, but there's only Etches on that list that he's really surpassed, lets see how he goes once he moves above domestic level again.

That is not 6 fighters at all that's you plucking names out of the air and stating they would beat Eubank on pure speculation. BJS beat Ryder and Blackwell by more rounds than he managed to beat eubank by. Eubanks firm favourite to BJS in a rematch, while I agree it should not have been a split decision BJS only won by 2 rounds because he struggled through the last 6 rounds. Eubank gave the fight away, he's now just proven he can fight for a full 12.

Etches is quality I know some of his family members but he hasn't fought at a particularly high level as of yet, and Andy lee isn't British so the claim 6-8 British fighters would destroy him was just nonsense.

Let's be realistic Ryder and Blackwell have not beaten anyone better than chudinov.

That is 6, unless you can't count, can add Spike O'Sullivan to that since I forgot about him. Only Etches is speculation, the rest can all beat him, we've seen it in the ring and from the sounds of things, Blackwell bossed him in sparring. I had Saunders beating Ryder by a round, Blackwell by 3 or 4 and Eubank by 6, the Eubank fight was the widest of the lot IMO, disregarding what the judges said. He's not favourite, stop talking bollocks, Saunders is the champion, better boxer and he won the first fight comfortably, again, I don't give a eff what the bookies say, they follow public opinion and the vast majority of the public know eff all about boxing. He didn't give the fight away, he was beaten, he can try and fight like that for 12 rounds if he wants, while Saunders is fresh, he outboxes him all day long because Eubank can't box.

It's the British and Irish forum, we can count the Irish lads in it too, Lee's eligible for the British title anyway.

Ryder beat O'Kane and Blackwell drew with Khomitsky and had a good shout for beating Bursak, all of those are better than Chudinov who would struggle to win the British title.

I see this site does have some knowledgeable people ....