Boxing Monthly: Preacher's Corner

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Funny thing is I swear a lot, and don't mind hearing it either, but I admit find it weirdly jarring when reading the Graham column too...don't know why exactly, because in the right way swearing can be hilarious, but Billy does it to emphasize a point, which doesn't really come over well in print.

I'd leave it out, and just tell him it's because young kids read the mag too, so he won't mind :TU:

Not read the mag yet, came through the door and will tonight.

Very surprised Graham didn't give the whole cover over to the Big Fight, but cut if down with a banner, listing fighters no one out side of the hard core will have heard of ( who would be presumably buying it anyway )
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Do the aristocracy swear a lot? I've never met a member.
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MightyWarrior wrote:Funny thing is I swear a lot, and don't mind hearing it either, but I admit find it weirdly jarring when reading the Graham column too...don't know why exactly, because in the right way swearing can be hilarious, but Billy does it to emphasize a point, which doesn't really come over well in print.

I'd leave it out, and just tell him it's because young kids read the mag too, so he won't mind :TU:

Not read the mag yet, came through the door and will tonight.

Very surprised Graham didn't give the whole cover over to the Big Fight, but cut if down with a banner, listing fighters no one out side of the hard core will have heard of ( who would be presumably buying it anyway )

Hello Mighty.

We did pretty much give over the cover to the super fight. The banner is part of a template design. Wladimir Klitschko is a big name. As for Tommy Martin and Virgil Hill being in the banner, I go by the "That looks interesting" rule. That is, someone picking up the magazine and being in half a mind to buy it might, hopefully, go: "Hmm, that looks interesting."

Re. the swearing in Billy's column. Swearing is so commonplace in today's society, is the "F" word really that offensive any more? When I was last in London and riding on the Tube, I was surprised to hear office girls swearing up a storm and not an eyebrow being raised.

I can't watch the BBC America network on North American TV because it seems there's a word bleeped out every 20 words. (Presumably, the "F" word.) The BBC obviously lets swear words be part of its dramas because, well, that's how people talk, but, in the United States/Canada, the BBC's grittier shows are language-sanitised to the point of making them bland, IMO.

I like watching a travel show called No Reservations, featuring the writer and food critic Anthony Bourdain, who is an erudite man but also one who uses the "F" word an awful lot. The constant bleeping of words is intensely irritating. When Bourdain says something like: "Well, after the freezing weather in Moscow today, this bowl of piping-hot borscht is just what I bleeping need!" we all know what word he is using. There is no need for Bourdain to swear, but, well, he just does.

If we leave out the "F" word in Billy's column, well, it's not Billy. I tend to leave the "F" word in place when the person quoted is using it for emphasis. The same with other swear words. I think it looks absolutely stupid to read this sort of thing in a publication: "In the first round, he hit me with a big right hand, but I decided to keep steaming into him, s*** or bust." Here again, everyone knows the word being uttered. It's almost as if the person editing the story is insulting the reader's intelligence.

I believe the British quality newspapers (Guardian, Telegraph, Times, Independent) allow swear words when used in context but all seem to draw the line at the "C" word, and I agree with that: I do find the "C" word offensive. But, honestly, the "F" word just seems to be part of everyday speech.

As regards leaving the magazine (any magazine) lying around where young children might pick it up, and being concerned the kids will read what in Britain we used to call "bad language", I can understand a parent's' concern. But, let's face it, children will be exposed to "earthy" language soon enough. My own children are adults now, but young kids? Without wishing to appear to give the impression that I have great parenting skills, I might have said: "Oh, by the way, if you ever read this magazine, it contains some language that I wouldn't want you ever to use, but it's just the way some people talk, it's their way of expressing themselves. OK, son?"

Now, the British redtops -- I wouldn't leave those around the house if I had young kids!

North American TV sanitises BBC programming, writer/critic Anthony Bourdain is sanitised on North American TV — I just don't wish to sanitise Billy Graham. But I think we have to use commonsense. We don't want the magazine littered with swear words. But I also don't wish to insult a reader's intelligence. It's all a balancing act, really.
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Sorry folks swearing in a boxing magazine is out for me. I notice that the Boxing News don't do it unless I've missed something recently. By the way Graham , the Telegraph don't use the f word or anything like it, not even within a quote.
The bottom line is - it's about standards. If you are a journalist and can't write a piece without swearing , then you've got a problem, if the interviewee swears to emphasise something that can surely be edited.
I carried out dozens of interviews with dave Charnley, tony Sibson and henry wharton and not one swear word came out their mouths.
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dalcumly wrote:Sorry folks swearing in a boxing magazine is out for me. I notice that the Boxing News don't do it unless I've missed something recently. By the way Graham , the Telegraph don't use the f word or anything like it, not even within a quote.
The bottom line is - it's about standards. If you are a journalist and can't write a piece without swearing , then you've got a problem, if the interviewee swears to emphasise something that can surely be edited.
I carried out dozens of interviews with dave Charnley, tony Sibson and henry wharton and not one swear word came out their mouths.
You are right about the Telegraph. They use the f------ compromise. Old-school fighters didn't swear. You're right there, although Terry Downes, Lord love him, used the word "bleeding" a lot, and this word was even incorporated into the title of Terry's autobiography (written with the great Reg Gutteridge). The late, great, George Whiting, as I recall, got around this by substituting "perishing" for "bleeding" when Terry talked about his "b------- hooter". (Got me at it now.)

I quite agree that a writer has a problem if he himself uses swear words in his stories. Whether swear words from a person being interviewed should be edited out (or sanitised) is another matter and what is being discussed here.

You know, one of the most riveting boxing books I read was Hard Luck, written by Steve Springer of the Los Angeles Times. It is a biography of Jerry Quarry. There is a truly harrowing passage in which Jerry by now has the mental age of a child, and his mother takes him to a care facility as she can no longer cope, and Jerry begs her: "Don't leave me." Springer writes that: "It was f----- tragic", except that Springer used the "F" word in full. I wouldn't say Steve Springer has a "problem" with his choice of word, in this instance. The word was used for a reason, for emphasis. At the end of the day, it's all a matter of opinion.
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Fair points Graham, and I agree that you should leave it in where's emphasising a word, like this month BG says something like " I know boxing, and I know who's won the f******* fight!"
Now that is well put :TU:

Jeez they won't let you even swear on here .....F*** it, I take it all back :lol:
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I've just picked this issue up, I'm really pleased that the mag is continuing, it can't have been easy.
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Graham Houston wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:Funny thing is I swear a lot, and don't mind hearing it either, but I admit find it weirdly jarring when reading the Graham column too...don't know why exactly, because in the right way swearing can be hilarious, but Billy does it to emphasize a point, which doesn't really come over well in print.

I'd leave it out, and just tell him it's because young kids read the mag too, so he won't mind :TU:

Not read the mag yet, came through the door and will tonight.

Very surprised Graham didn't give the whole cover over to the Big Fight, but cut if down with a banner, listing fighters no one out side of the hard core will have heard of ( who would be presumably buying it anyway )

Hello Mighty.

We did pretty much give over the cover to the super fight. The banner is part of a template design. Wladimir Klitschko is a big name. As for Tommy Martin and Virgil Hill being in the banner, I go by the "That looks interesting" rule. That is, someone picking up the magazine and being in half a mind to buy it might, hopefully, go: "Hmm, that looks interesting."

Re. the swearing in Billy's column. Swearing is so commonplace in today's society, is the "F" word really that offensive any more? When I was last in London and riding on the Tube, I was surprised to hear office girls swearing up a storm and not an eyebrow being raised.

I can't watch the BBC America network on North American TV because it seems there's a word bleeped out every 20 words. (Presumably, the "F" word.) The BBC obviously lets swear words be part of its dramas because, well, that's how people talk, but, in the United States/Canada, the BBC's grittier shows are language-sanitised to the point of making them bland, IMO.

I like watching a travel show called No Reservations, featuring the writer and food critic Anthony Bourdain, who is an erudite man but also one who uses the "F" word an awful lot. The constant bleeping of words is intensely irritating. When Bourdain says something like: "Well, after the freezing weather in Moscow today, this bowl of piping-hot borscht is just what I bleeping need!" we all know what word he is using. There is no need for Bourdain to swear, but, well, he just does.

If we leave out the "F" word in Billy's column, well, it's not Billy. I tend to leave the "F" word in place when the person quoted is using it for emphasis. The same with other swear words. I think it looks absolutely stupid to read this sort of thing in a publication: "In the first round, he hit me with a big right hand, but I decided to keep steaming into him, s*** or bust." Here again, everyone knows the word being uttered. It's almost as if the person editing the story is insulting the reader's intelligence.

I believe the British quality newspapers (Guardian, Telegraph, Times, Independent) allow swear words when used in context but all seem to draw the line at the "C" word, and I agree with that: I do find the "C" word offensive. But, honestly, the "F" word just seems to be part of everyday speech.

As regards leaving the magazine (any magazine) lying around where young children might pick it up, and being concerned the kids will read what in Britain we used to call "bad language", I can understand a parent's' concern. But, let's face it, children will be exposed to "earthy" language soon enough. My own children are adults now, but young kids? Without wishing to appear to give the impression that I have great parenting skills, I might have said: "Oh, by the way, if you ever read this magazine, it contains some language that I wouldn't want you ever to use, but it's just the way some people talk, it's their way of expressing themselves. OK, son?"

Now, the British redtops -- I wouldn't leave those around the house if I had young kids!

North American TV sanitises BBC programming, writer/critic Anthony Bourdain is sanitised on North American TV — I just don't wish to sanitise Billy Graham. But I think we have to use commonsense. We don't want the magazine littered with swear words. But I also don't wish to insult a reader's intelligence. It's all a balancing act, really.
Graham - thanks for replying so fully - much appreciated.
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Does the Thick of It get shown on BBC America? It'll be a long string of bleeps!
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Terry Dooley wrote:Column ideas lodged, cheers. The latest one was prompted by current events, but we’ll definitely look at those topics. He said the questions were better than the ones the journalists used to ask him then accused me of making them up. After much discussion, I convinced him that yous are real.

Or are you...
Get him to sign up to the forum so we can prove it :yay:
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Terry Dooley wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:
Terry Dooley wrote:Column ideas lodged, cheers. The latest one was prompted by current events, but we’ll definitely look at those topics. He said the questions were better than the ones the journalists used to ask him then accused me of making them up. After much discussion, I convinced him that yous are real.

Or are you...
Get him to sign up to the forum so we can prove it :yay:
He said he’d absolutely love to post here. Unfortunately he’s not the best when it comes to the Internet, a mate is going to log him into a few sites so I’ll see if he wants an account here.
Lol Billy's old school, I love it!

Long live Boxing Monthly. Pleased to see Mark Butcher back too.
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