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Shpati wrote:Why is the Cruiserweight division so boring?

Nobody every talks about this division.

I would think it would be a popular division, since it would seem like a lot of boxers would try to make weight in this division before going up against legit giants in the Heavyweight division.

My only guess is that.... it doesn't have that much talent because most just up to HW or LHW to make more money.

Is this the worst division atm?

It's not the worst at the moment, but its history is not that great, because any great CW worth his salt has always aspired to compete in the HW division where the money is much greater.

Saying that, many great HW are so large these days that the CW might start to enjoy some long awaited status, because a fighter competing at about 191lb is going to be reluctant to go up face the 250lb monsters like Wladimir & will stay where they are to potentially create some classic moments.

Syntax Error wrote: It's not the worst at the moment, but its history is not that great, because any great CW worth his salt has always aspired to compete in the HW division where the money is much greater.

Saying that, many great HW are so large these days that the CW might start to enjoy some long awaited status, because a fighter competing at about 191lb is going to be reluctant to go up face the 250lb monsters like Wladimir & will stay where they are to potentially create some classic moments.

The 25# spread of the cruiserweight division is already large enough, yet many suggest these guys should just move up to heavyweight. There are guys who aren't really big enough to compete against some of the big cruiserweights and yet can't cut the weight to drop to light heavy. The 191# guy mentioned above fits that description. 191 to 175 could be very difficult to do and yet there are many 210-215# guys cutting to make 200#. That 191# guy either cuts 16# and might be weak at 175 or he boxes at his natural walk around weight and competes against guys who are going to outweigh him by 20-25# during the fight.

Dennis wrote:

Syntax Error wrote: It's not the worst at the moment, but its history is not that great, because any great CW worth his salt has always aspired to compete in the HW division where the money is much greater.

Saying that, many great HW are so large these days that the CW might start to enjoy some long awaited status, because a fighter competing at about 191lb is going to be reluctant to go up face the 250lb monsters like Wladimir & will stay where they are to potentially create some classic moments.

The 25# spread of the cruiserweight division is already large enough, yet many suggest these guys should just move up to heavyweight. There are guys who aren't really big enough to compete against some of the big cruiserweights and yet can't cut the weight to drop to light heavy. The 191# guy mentioned above fits that description. 191 to 175 could be very difficult to do and yet there are many 210-215# guys cutting to make 200#. That 191# guy either cuts 16# and might be weak at 175 or he boxes at his natural walk around weight and competes against guys who are going to outweigh him by 20-25# during the fight.

It's not always the most popular idea on here, but i'd still like to see CW 175-190 then heavywieght given a band between 190 and somewhere over 200, perhaps about 210 or 215 and the introduction of a super-heavyweight division above that.

the 25lb gap between LHW - CW is too big.
Then as a result of the Huge heavyweights these days no-one in their right mind ever weighs anything between 200-225lb

A superheavyweight division would take these huge guys in to their own division where they can't pick up wins against 5'11" blown up cruiser weights and give a reasonable weight band for normal heavies and cruiserweights to move up to

I believe the problem has always been what the actuall weight limit is, It use to be 6kg lighter than todays limit this was back in the 80's early 90's [don't hold me on the exact weight difference I just mentioned but its their abouts ]back in the 80's/90's the WBA even had its own weight limit for a cruiser it was about 9kg lighter than todays limit so yes we had the same weight class but different weight limit for different world tittles confused yet,So to fight for the cruiserweight tittle was fairly confusing and for a young teenager like myself back then it was a maze no wonder I ate my self out of the division unless your a freak of nature like Marciano/Frazier/Dempsey the blokes today cannot match it with the much bigger heavyweights the cruiserweight limit should be about around 98kg this would make it more appealing to everyone involved especially the fan's and fighter's.

tiny_acres wrote:It is actually one of the most competitive divisions at the moment.
The cruiser's have always been the bastard step child of the boxing world.

No money and not much prestige go with this division.

Danny Green made million's defending/fighting for the IBO cruiserweight WORLD champ v Jones jr/Tarver/BJ flores
THEIRS MONEY THEIR TO BE MADE DEPENDS ON THE OPPONENT.

I'm hoping to see some excellent bouts in 2015.

The division has gone downhill since Sauerland has taken a backseat to Ryabinsky. However, Sauerland still kept Huck-Hernandez away from each other, so even then there was no unification. As someone else said earlier, the division is badly in need of unification fights, but instead the titlists are just fighting recycled challengers for the most part. Unfortunate because the division is one of the deepest in the sport. Usyk is still worth following since he's driven to go for a title soon and then I'm expecting him to move up to HW not too long after. The kid can box.

davie wrote: It's not always the most popular idea on here, but i'd still like to see CW 175-190 then heavywieght given a band between 190 and somewhere over 200, perhaps about 210 or 215 and the introduction of a super-heavyweight division above that.

the 25lb gap between LHW - CW is too big.
Then as a result of the Huge heavyweights these days no-one in their right mind ever weighs anything between 200-225lb

A superheavyweight division would take these huge guys in to their own division where they can't pick up wins against 5'11" blown up cruiser weights and give a reasonable weight band for normal heavies and cruiserweights to move up to

I was thinking of the same, but I think that may ruin the most historic division.

Wilder is 215. I would want someone like him to fight Wlad. If they were to make a Super Heavyweight division boxers over 210/215, a guy like Wilder will likely just make weight in the Heavyweight division. Even somebody like Povetkin might consider dropping 10 pounds.

Guys like Holyfield, Tyson, and Ali usually weighed between 200-215, but still gave the bigger guys wars.

But on the other hand, the HW division has never been so lopsided as far as boxer physiques go. So it might be interesting to see how good the fights would be if Heavyweights were just the athletic 190-215/220 guys pounds that they mainly used to be.

I'm 50/50 on the subject. I think it will be more organized and give us better bouts. If the divisions looked like this:

Lightheavy weights: 175
Cruiserweight: 175-190
Heavyweight: 190-220
Super Heavyweight: 220+

But it may ruin the history. It might tarnish the legacy of a few boxers.

Shpati wrote:

davie wrote: It's not always the most popular idea on here, but i'd still like to see CW 175-190 then heavywieght given a band between 190 and somewhere over 200, perhaps about 210 or 215 and the introduction of a super-heavyweight division above that.

the 25lb gap between LHW - CW is too big.
Then as a result of the Huge heavyweights these days no-one in their right mind ever weighs anything between 200-225lb

A superheavyweight division would take these huge guys in to their own division where they can't pick up wins against 5'11" blown up cruiser weights and give a reasonable weight band for normal heavies and cruiserweights to move up to

I was thinking of the same, but I think that may ruin the most historic division.

Wilder is 215. I would want someone like him to fight Wlad. If they were to make a Super Heavyweight division boxers over 210/215, a guy like Wilder will likely just make weight in the Heavyweight division. Even somebody like Povetkin might consider dropping 10 pounds.

Guys like Holyfield, Tyson, and Ali usually weighed between 200-215, but still gave the bigger guys wars.

But on the other hand, the HW division has never been so lopsided as far as boxer physiques go. So it might be interesting to see how good the fights would be if Heavyweights were just the athletic 190-215/220 guys pounds that they mainly used to be.

I'm 50/50 on the subject. I think it will be more organized and give us better bouts. If the divisions looked like this:

Lightheavy weights: 175
Cruiserweight: 175-190
Heavyweight: 190-220
Super Heavyweight: 220+

But it may ruin the history. It might tarnish the legacy of a few boxers.

I'm not saying there wouldn't be downsides to the re-organisation, I just feel it's now necessary as the gaps are too big and some of the really big heavies these days, make it a totally different division to what it was 30 years ago.

The weight splits you gave there would probably do for me, although the reason I went with a shorter scale for heavyweight was because it would then become the new cruiserweight with a 30lb range.

The exact splits could be decided by the powers that be, but the main point is, I certainly feel a new weight class is required at the heavy end of the scale.